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Right. It's by blocking droplets (which are vastly larger than virus) that the (edit-) *surgical* masks work. The droplets are full of virus when a person is shedding virus.

It blocks droplets yes, but small particles could still get through the weave of the mask in the case of a cough or a sneeze (primarily a sneeze since particles of all sizes are being ejected with force). I'm only talking about the standard surgical masks and cloth masks here, the N95s are the ones that actually really do work the best but I don't have one of those.

Again, I'm not against people choosing to wear masks because I wear one every day I go to work and can function just fine in it (and I prefer to wear it because then I don't have to smile and show my goof teeth). What I am against is the government telling people that they have to wear a mask or get a vaccine. If they want to gamble on their health, that's up to them and I feel the same way about adults using drugs, alchol, tobacco products, and choosing to eat fast food every day.

I also have this sinking feeling that we're going to discover that this virus either escaped a lab or was released intentionally to give the governments of the world an excuse to become more authoritarian as they work on their "great reset" schemes to drag the Western world down in order to make the world "more equal". There is a lot more to it, like I've been reading that they now want to tax people on how much they drive and whether they use Air Conditioning or not in order to "combat climate blah blah blah" or whatever. I think that this pandemic provided the governments of the world the excuse that they needed to become openly authoritarian as we are currently seeing in places like Australia.
 
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It blocks droplets yes, but small particles could still get through the weave of the mask in the case of a cough or a sneeze (primarily a sneeze since particles of all sizes are being ejected with force). I'm only talking about the standard surgical masks and cloth masks here, the N95s are the ones that actually really do work the best but I don't have one of those.

Again, I'm not against people choosing to wear masks because I wear one every day I go to work and can function just fine in it (and I prefer to wear it because then I don't have to smile and show my goof teeth). What I am against is the government telling people that they have to wear a mask or get a vaccine. If they want to gamble on their health, that's up to them and I feel the same way about adults using drugs, alchol, tobacco products, and choosing to eat fast food every day.

I also have this sinking feeling that we're going to discover that this virus either escaped a lab or was released intentionally to give the governments of the world an excuse to become more authoritarian as they work on their "great reset" schemes to drag the Western world down in order to make the world "more equal". There is a lot more to it, like I've been reading that they now want to tax people on how much they drive and whether they use Air Conditioning or not in order to "combat climate blah blah blah" or whatever. I think that this pandemic provided the governments of the world the excuse that they needed to become openly authoritarian as we are currently seeing in places like Australia.
It's a good question just how far government should go in regulating behavior.

For example, when I was young you could get drunk and drive, and that was not a big deal, in that apparently you'd only get a slap on the wrist, and not much. But that changed. Eventually Mothers Against Drunk Driving got the laws toughened, with mandatory fines and such that were tougher.

Did they go too far? Government exists to protect us against other people, basically, such as against other nations invading, gangs attacking, and so on. Your neighbor throwing trash on your property. Whatever.

So, now you can't smoke in a restaurant or an airplane, because it can harm other people.

Ultimately in the U.S. it seems to be up the Supreme Court just how far Government can regulate behavior, and it seems the court says government is able to do that when there is a public need. Even if we don't like it. When I was younger, I didn't like it that government required me to wear a seat belt. I thought I should be able to choose for myself. Now I'm older and don't care. But masks are worse, in that they are more intrusive.

I sympathize with people getting tired of masks. I want to take mine off the very moment I'm even with the exit door of the grocery store, etc. You won't see me wearing a mask in the parking lot like some do.
 
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The best one I've seen is a guy on a motorcycle, bulleting down the highway at 70 MPH in the open air----with a mask on.

And I'm thinking to myself, "Really?" ^_^
 
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My problem is when the government mandates these things and tells people and businesses that they will not be allowed to operate or will be fined if their employees do not wear masks or get vaccinated.

Exactly why I refuse to obey traffic laws.
Government mandating my company vehicles stop at red lights, go the speed limit, obey one way streets, wear seatbelts, etc, or be fined or not be allowed to operate is just wrong.

It's time people were responsible for their own safety on the roads.
I won't wait with all the sheeple for that DemocRAT Party Installed red light to turn libtard green before I plow through that intersection. I have business to attend to and it's not governments right to delay it or to restrict my constitutional right to freedom of movement and commerce.

The other problem I have, is when my insurance company is willing to pay people $100 to get the vaccine-- provided they get it after September 1st. That's unfairly precluding people like me who did what we believed was the right thing and went out and got it in May. I wrote them an email today essentially stating my case as to why I should be given the $100.

My Insurance co gives me a credit for being a non smoker. Totally unfair.
 
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it seems the court says government is able to do that when there is a public need

My major problem is who decides when there is public need? Obviously the government decides it even though they don't seem to care about any other sort of public needs; like mass transit (I hate owning a car and having to pay for fuel, insurance, and maintenance & I also hate driving on roads with nutcases speeding and swerving around me) or healthcare (I have private health insurance, but seriously every other first world nation has some sort of national healthcare system & when there isn't one, it becomes a lot more difficult to justify listening to people like Fauci about the pandemic).

Government exists for the sole purpose of enforcing God-given rights of the individual against those who would not honor them. Sometime around the 1960s, government decided that it's sole purpose is to protect big businesses and around the 1980s, realized that their additional purpose is to help get taxpayer money into the pockets of big business which is why we're in the situation now that we are in with the vaccine mandates: someone has to pay for every dose of that vaccine, and since it is being given out for free I suppose that it has been decided that government is going to help get taxpayer dollars out of the public coffers and into the bank accounts of big pharma. Sort of like what the hilariously named "affordable care act" (Obamacare) does with health insurance: mandates that people buy it or they are penalized on their taxes in most states (Not in Florida where I live though, but it doesn't matter because I have healthcare).

I am not one of the people who wears a mask outside either. I see people wearing one when they are driving in their own vehicle and that always lets me know that that person is an obedient democrat party voter.
 
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The federal tax penalty for not having health insurance ended in 2019 I just read. But 4 states and the district of Columbia do have their own penalties.

https://www.verywellhealth.com/obamacare-penalty-for-being-uninsured-4132434

But your big question is the first sentence. Great question! I guess the answer is: all of us, through our elected representatives. That means that there will only sometimes be a highly popular thing chosen by government where it has support of 90%+. But, gradually, over time, we accumulate more than a few policies where the support is about 60%+, leaving a sizable minority not liking some of those laws.


My major problem is who decides when there is public need? Obviously the government decides it even though they don't seem to care about any other sort of public needs; like mass transit (I hate owning a car and having to pay for fuel, insurance, and maintenance & I also hate driving on roads with nutcases speeding and swerving around me) or healthcare (I have private health insurance, but seriously every other first world nation has some sort of national healthcare system & when there isn't one, it becomes a lot more difficult to justify listening to people like Fauci about the pandemic).

Government exists for the sole purpose of enforcing God-given rights of the individual against those who would not honor them. Sometime around the 1960s, government decided that it's sole purpose is to protect big businesses and around the 1980s, realized that their additional purpose is to help get taxpayer money into the pockets of big business which is why we're in the situation now that we are in with the vaccine mandates: someone has to pay for every dose of that vaccine, and since it is being given out for free I suppose that it has been decided that government is going to help get taxpayer dollars out of the public coffers and into the bank accounts of big pharma. Sort of like what the hilariously named "affordable care act" (Obamacare) does with health insurance: mandates that people buy it or they are penalized on their taxes in most states (Not in Florida where I live though, but it doesn't matter because I have healthcare).

I am not one of the people who wears a mask outside either. I see people wearing one when they are driving in their own vehicle and that always lets me know that that person is an obedient democrat party voter.
 
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I guess the answer is: all of us, through our elected representatives.

I wish that was the way things worked, but it's abundantly clear that our elected officials do not listen to We the People anymore as much as they listen to lobbyists who essentially give them bribes in return for setting policy that is preferential to their organizations. A big part of the problem is that the average person no longer contacts their elected reps and senators-- in response to Biden's threat to make the IRS investigate the bank accounts of anyone with over $600, I contacted my elected representatives and made it clear to them that this policy is going to hurt everyone, particularly working class people despite the fact that it's being sold as a means to "make sure the rich pay their fair share"-- as the rich will simply hide their money offshore like they already do if they just don't up and leave.


That means that there will only sometimes be a highly popular thing chosen by government where it has support of 90%+. But, gradually, over time, we accumulate more than a few policies where the support is about 60%+, leaving a sizable minority not liking some of those laws.

Then this devolves into what is essentially a "tyranny of the majority": as it stands right now at any given point you're going to have roughly half the country who doesn't like what DC is doing and this is a big part of why our nation has become largely unworkable. The gulf between people has become too wide to effectively govern the country anymore so I honestly believe that we're in a period of managed decline.
 
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Government exists for the sole purpose of enforcing God-given rights of the individual against those who would not honor them. Sometime around the 1960s, government decided that it's sole purpose is to protect big businesses and around the 1980s, realized that their additional purpose is to help get taxpayer money into the pockets of big business

What happened was the Cold War. America came out of World War II triumphantly on top of the world, but having just defeated three nasty totalitarian regimes, it had no desire to have to have to go back and defeat a fourth one, namely the Soviet Union. Besides which, the Russkies had managed to steal the design for atomic weaponry from us, and ergo, the world simply could not afford another major war, especially with True Believers In Communism, who were all nuts and couldn't be reasoned with on a rational level. So the only thing to do was deter them from making too much mischief.

So, the government, having literally unlimited cash (we were the only country that hadn't been bombed into oblivion, and the entire world was buying American products from train track to toothbrushes) awarded all sorts of groovy contracts to American companies to develop new and better equipment and weapons, to stay one step ahead of Boris and Natasha. Ergo, Ye Olde "military-industrial complex". At the time (say, 1947, '48 or so), nobody dreamed that the ideological standoff between Us and Them would go on for 45 years. But by the time we won the Cold War and all those failed Communist states went belly-up, that sort of spending had become institutionalized.

The problem was, during that same 40-odd year period, the rest of the world had "caught up", so to speak. Japanese people weren't buying American cars in 1990; American people were buying Japanese cars, just for one example. And, we had also pretty much depleted the national treasury by financing Mr. Johnson's Southeast Asian Conflict, which, let's face it, really didn't give us much return for our investment. Our economy went down while other nations' went up.

But the spending by that time couldn't stop. Washington is like a crack addict when it comes to taxpayer money....it doesn't matter what else goes to hell on a handcar, they gotta have that money. And every time they run out, rather than scaling back, they borrow more, and raise the debt ceiling. The budget in Washington is like a house with a sewer backup: if the sewage is clear up to the ceiling, do you stop and clean out the house----or do you raise the roof another ten feet to accommodate more? Washington keeps raising the roof. But one of these days, raising the roof won't work any more---the weight of the sewage will blow the walls outward, and the whole building will come down.

But your big question is the first sentence. Great question! I guess the answer is: all of us, through our elected representatives.

Except we are powerless. Our representatives don't represent us; our elections don't elect anybody we want (on either side...usually it's "the lesser of two evils"), and our entire system has been co-opted by a gang of thieves who are bleeding us dry for their own enrichment and gaming us into believing that what they're doing is "for the good of America". In addition, the propaganda arm of the gang---the mainstream media--- is constantly engaged in a 21st-century version of "bread and circuses" whereby every time the gang does something nefarious and illegal, the media steps in and distracts attention away from it by saying, "Oh, my gosh!!! Did you see that white cop over there beating that poor, defenseless black man with a restraining order and six outstanding warrants who had three loaded weapons in his pocket and was selling the drugs he'd just robbed from the pharmacy down the street to the kindergarten children in the schoolyard, but never mind all that because it's irrelevant, the only thing that matters is that he is black and the cop is white, what are we gonna do about this?!?!?!?" And by the time the fires are out and the shopkeepers in a ten-block radius of the downtown centers of our 30 largest cities have submitted their insurance claims for the merchandise they lost in the looting, nobody remembers the nasty little illegal stunts the government was up to. It's been going on for years.

I wish that was the way things worked, but it's abundantly clear that our elected officials do not listen to We the People anymore as much as they listen to lobbyists who essentially give them bribes in return for setting policy that is preferential to their organizations.

Precisely. And this will only get worse, since they now also know that they don't need our votes. They don't have to placate the population any more to garner votes---they can just run votes off on printers by the millions, run them through rigged computerized ballot machines, and voilà! They can put into office whoever they want. 2020 was a landmark in more ways than one. One result was that the American People have forever lost the ability to elect their own choices for public office.....that privilege is now controlled by the gang.

Then this devolves into what is essentially a "tyranny of the majority": as it stands right now at any given point you're going to have roughly half the country who doesn't like what DC is doing and this is a big part of why our nation has become largely unworkable. The gulf between people has become too wide to effectively govern the country anymore so I honestly believe that we're in a period of managed decline.

You're right; but what I suspect is going to happen is that conditions will continue to deteriorate to the point that both "halves" of the country will simply give up all hope in the system, choose up sides, and start using force to get what they want. The 2nd American Civil War. Who emerges victorious in that coming conflict, I believe, will largely depend on whose side the armed forces decide to throw in with. If they choose to back those of us who still love this country, want to place it first, and want to salvage everything that's good in it, and at the same time expel the myriad evils poisoning us, we will survive. If they back the crooks, terrorists, whackjobs and anarchists (we all know who they are), we're done for. We may be anyway.
 
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The problem was, during that same 40-odd year period, the rest of the world had "caught up", so to speak. Japanese people weren't buying American cars in 1990; American people were buying Japanese cars, just for one example.

The argument has also been made that the only reason the US came out of the second world war and did so well for about thirty or so years is precisely because of the Marshall Plan. It was destined to end eventually as we essentially rebuilt the entirety of Western civilization & Japan and then these nations "caught up" and started to outmanufacture and outproduce us. But had we not put the Marshall plan into play, the world would be a very different place than it is now and the Soviet Union very well might have been the ones to rebuild what would have once been Western civilization.

So when you look at it that way, we sowed the seeds of the world that we now decry today. It's a strange thing to really think about, but I've looked into it a lot. The Cold War had more of an impact on the present day than a lot of people realize as communism was a bigger threat than a lot of people give it credit for being. Still is, because it still exists although now it's metastasized into flat out authoritarianism from the liberal politicians in our country and Western Europe. Any pretense of helping the working class or building a more "equitable" world has been discarded and the mass surveillance, unpersoning, and totalitarianism has been repackaged by our elites and the media that they fully own and control, which is the type of propaganda weapon that the Soviets could really only dream of having access to.


The 2nd American Civil War. Who emerges victorious in that coming conflict, I believe, will largely depend on whose side the armed forces decide to throw in with. If they choose to back those of us who still love this country, want to place it first, and want to salvage everything that's good in it, and at the same time expel the myriad evils poisoning us, we will survive.

I have hope that the military would throw down with the normal people because even though they've "Sworn An Oath™" to the feds, the very people they would be turning their guns on would be their friends, families, and neighbors and as it stands right now, I don't see the military being too enthusiastic about that eventuality. Problem is, this is why the military is "going woke" through the efforts of traitorous turds like Milley-- they're working overtime to reeducate and reindoctrinate the military into supporting the woke agenda by making wokeness the agenda of the federal government. That's what worries me, but regardless of what happens, I still win in the end. If the second American Civil War is won by the good guys, I get to see and live in the country that I'm currently watching be strangled to death by the very people who are supposed to uphold it. If the crooked woke anti-White anarcho-whateverist win, then I die and get to (hopefully) go be with the Lord & thus, don't have to experience the misery and horror.

I'm just committed to not making it easy for them. I'm going to be like St. Maximilian Kolbe and resist to the bitter end and go out on my feet rather than living on my knees, as I only bend the knee to one being and he's far beyond any tyrant on this earth.
 
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