NT support for a third temple

Hammster · Oct 6, 2021

Aldebaran said:
I have a completely different view I'd like to offer based on what I've been hearing lately concerning how the one-world religion could come about.
The idea is that all the religions of the world will be mashed together to the agreement of most so that everyone will be willing to go along with the "united" one-world version. Therefore, this temple could be one that already exists and is used by any one of the current religions that will be part of the one-world religion that the anti-christ sets himself up as the head of.

The passage reads: "4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God."

See, he sets sets himself up as being over "everything that is called God or is worshiped". That would include Allah, Mary, Buddah, Gaia, the almighty dollar, the sun, or whatever else people call their god and worship. If Islam, Catholicism, Earth worship, etc. were combined to create a one-world religion that the anti-christ sets himself up over, then the temple could be just about anything.

I’m not sure how that relates to the OP.

sovereigngrace · Oct 6, 2021

Hammster said:
Trying to spiritualize all of that just doesn’t fit the text.

In your opinion. But the temple is constantly spiritualized in NT teaching.

One Son · Oct 7, 2021

Hammster said:
It seems that a third temple is instrumental in some folks eschatology. What NT support is their for a third temple?

Jn.2:19(ASV) Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

20 The Jews therefore said, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou raise it up in three days?

21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he spake this; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Rev.21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God the Almighty, and the Lamb, are the temple thereof.

23 And the city(Holy Jerusalem) hath no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine upon it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the lamp thereof is the Lamb.

Eph.1:22 and he put all things in subjection under his feet, and gave him to be head over all things to the church,

23 which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.(2Cor.5:17).

keras · Oct 7, 2021

sovereigngrace said:
In your opinion. But the temple is constantly spiritualized in NT teaching.

We are the spiritual Temple of God for this Church age.
That truth does not preclude a physical Temple being built, one that Jesus will Return to and will reign from.

You deny or ignore too many scriptures that prophecy a new Temple in Jerusalem, to just reject them.

Hammster · Oct 7, 2021

keras said:
We are the spiritual Temple of God for this Church age.
That truth does not preclude a physical Temple being built, one that Jesus will Return to and will reign from.

You deny or ignore too many scriptures that prophecy a new Temple in Jerusalem, to just reject them.

And yet, no New Testament writer thought it important enough to write about.

TribulationSigns · Oct 7, 2021

Hammster said:
I never even brought up 70 AD in this thread. Please at least stay on topic.

So what? The topic is about Paul was talking about a literal temple or not, whether it is interpreted by Premillennial or Preterist. Both are wrong because this is not what Paul talked about.

TribulationSigns · Oct 7, 2021

keras said:
We are the spiritual Temple of God for this Church age.

True. But the church is also the New Testament Temple of God which the corporate part can fall.

That truth does not preclude a physical Temple being built, one that Jesus will Return to and will reign from.

Scripture please.

You deny or ignore too many scriptures that prophecy a new Temple in Jerusalem, to just reject them.

Unlikely. Which scripture do you think speaks of a literal new temple in Jerusalem?[/QUOTE]

Hammster · Oct 7, 2021

TribulationSigns said:
So what? The topic is about Paul was talking about a literal temple or not, whether it is interpreted by Premillennial or Preterist. Both are wrong because this is not what Paul talked about.

It is what Paul talked about because there is no way for the Thessalonians to understand it any different. I know you have your own hermeneutic, but it’s not a generally accepted one.

But let’s say that, for the sake of moving this discussion forward, that he is talking about a future temple. What in the text leads you to believe it’s the right temple? How do we know from this text that this is the Third Temple™?

keras · Oct 7, 2021

Hammster said:
And yet, no New Testament writer thought it important enough to write about.

Paul and John did. 2 Thess 2:4 and Revelation 11:1-2

TribulationSigns said:
True. But the church is also the New Testament Temple of God which the corporate part can fall.

Right, and as prophecy says: many will fall away.....

TribulationSigns said:
Scripture please.

Zechariah 1:16, Isaiah 60:7, Haggai 2:9, Micah 4:1-2, Malachi 3:1, and all of Ezekiel 40 to 46. Plus the NT verses above.

That there will be a new Temple in Jerusalem, is a logical and expected, as God - who does not change; desired a Temple twice before and the Third Temple will be at the the culmination of His Plan for mankinds rule on earth.

Hammster · Oct 7, 2021

keras said:
Paul and John did. 2 Thess 2:4 and Revelation 11:1-2

No they didn’t.

Original Happy Camper · Oct 7, 2021

keras said:
· It must be in Jerusalem

· It must be a Palace fit for the greatest King ever to live

· It must be a House that reflects the accomplishments of this great King

· It must be a House that allows the correct service to such an Holy One

· It must be a House that everyone of every nation can come up to to pray, worship and have audience with Emmanuel

There is a temple in New Jerusalem which is in Heaven at this time that fulfills your list

Exodus 25:9
According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.
Revelation 21:2
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

There is no third temple for this earth

Spiritual Jew · Oct 7, 2021

jeffweedaman said:
Mark 14
57 And then some stood up and began giving false testimony against Him, saying, 58 “We heard Him say, ‘I will destroy this temple that was made by hands, and in three days I will build another, made without hands.’”

Its already been built and will stand forever.

Exactly. He is the chief cornerstone of the temple of God. Here is a description of the third temple of God, which is not a physical temple building:

Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Spiritual Jew · Oct 7, 2021

keras said:
We are the spiritual Temple of God for this Church age.
That truth does not preclude a physical Temple being built, one that Jesus will Return to and will reign from.

You deny or ignore too many scriptures that prophecy a new Temple in Jerusalem, to just reject them.

There is no future physical temple that would be worthy of being called "the temple of God". That is what you deny and ignore. WE THE CHURCH ARE THE TEMPLE OF GOD. There is no need for any other.

Aldebaran · Oct 7, 2021

Hammster said:
I’m not sure how that relates to the OP.

I thought it related quite well. The topic is about the third temple. There was discussion about if a third temple would be needed and what/where it might be and so forth, and I wrote in regards to that.

Aldebaran · Oct 7, 2021

Spiritual Jew said:
There is no future physical temple that would be worthy of being called "the temple of God". That is what you deny and ignore. WE THE CHURCH ARE THE TEMPLE OF GOD. There is no need for any other.

Exactly! God lives in Heaven and is the creator of all that exists. I can't see any circumstance where He suddenly needs us to build a temple for God to reside in on Earth. Peter made himself look silly when he suggested building shelters for Jesus, Moses and Elijah when Jesus was transfigured. What could we possibly build here on Earth for God to live in that He would find better than Heaven itself? The Earth itself isn't big enough!

TribulationSigns · Oct 7, 2021

Spiritual Jew said:
There is no future physical temple that would be worthy of being called "the temple of God". That is what you deny and ignore. WE THE CHURCH ARE THE TEMPLE OF GOD. There is no need for any other.

Amen. Get it, @Hammster?

jeffweedaman · Oct 7, 2021

Aldebaran said:
Exactly! God lives in Heaven and is the creator of all that exists. I can't see any circumstance where He suddenly needs us to build a temple for God to reside in on Earth.

Lets not stop preaching the Gospel that God wants to reside personally in all who repent , which is far better.

The only way a temple will be built with human hands will come from a Spirit of unbelief in Jesus Gospel.

Hammster · Oct 7, 2021

TribulationSigns said:
Amen. Get it, @Hammster?

I do. I’m also not arguing for a third temple to be built.

keras · Oct 7, 2021

A lot of people here are making categorical statements, that actually contradict scripture.
They also seem to think they know the Mind of God. Apparently they think Jesus will live in an apartment and rule the world from a rented office.

I have pointed out the prophesies which show there will be a new Temple.
Why be so adamant to reject another Temple?

Hammster · Oct 7, 2021

keras said:
A lot of people here are making categorical statements, that actually contradict scripture.
They also seem to think they know the Mind of God. Apparently they think Jesus will live in an apartment and rule the world from a rented office.

I have pointed out the prophesies which show there will be a new Temple.
Why be so adamant to reject another Temple?

Because He’s already ruling the universe on His throne.

And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
— Matthew 28:18

“I kept looking in the night visions,
And behold, with the clouds of heaven
One like a Son of Man was coming,
And He came up to the Ancient of Days
And was presented before Him.
— Daniel 7:13

(God’s favorite Psalm)

A Psalm of David.
The Lord says to my Lord:
“Sit at My right hand
Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”
The Lord will stretch forth Your strong scepter from Zion, saying,
“Rule in the midst of Your enemies.”
Your people will volunteer freely in the day of Your power;
In holy array, from the womb of the dawn,
Your youth are to You as the dew.
The Lord has sworn and will not change His mind,
“You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek.”
The Lord is at Your right hand;
He will shatter kings in the day of His wrath.
He will judge among the nations,
He will fill them with corpses,
He will shatter the chief men over a broad country.
He will drink from the brook by the wayside;
Therefore He will lift up His head.
— Psalm 110:1-7

And there’s no biblical evidence for a third temple.

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