What Ellen G. White Says About Sabbath Observance

Yeshua HaDerekh · Sep 30, 2021

BNR32FAN said:
The churches in the east supported the canons of Laodecia specifically cannon 29.

Canon 29. Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.

You do know that in the East, fasting was prohibited on the Sabbath? This was one of the main issues between the Eastern and Western Churches in the 1054 AD schism.

SabbathBlessings · Sep 30, 2021

3rd Century

The seventh-day Sabbath was...solemnised by Christ, the Apostles, and primitive Christians, till the Laodicean Council did in manner quite abolish the observations of it." —Dissertation on the Lord's Day, pp. 33, 34
Egypt (Oxyrhynchus Papyrus) (200-250 A.D.)

"Except ye make the sabbath a real sabbath (sabbatize the Sabbath," Greek), ye shall not see the Father." "The oxyrhynchus Papyri," pt,1, p.3, Logion 2, verso 4-11 (London Offices of the Egypt Exploration Fund, 1898).
Early Christians-C 3rd

"Thou shalt observe the Sabbath, on account of Him who ceased from His work of creation, but ceased not from His work of providence: it is a rest for meditation of the law, not for idleness of the hands." "The Anti-Nicene Fathers," Vol 7,p. 413. From "Constitutions of the Holy Apostles," a document of the 3rd and 4th Centuries.
Africa (Alexandria) Origen

"After the festival of the unceasing sacrifice (the crucifixion) is put the second festival of the Sabbath, and it is fitting for whoever is righteous among the saints to keep also the festival of the Sabbath. There remaineth therefore a sabbatismus, that is, a keeping of the Sabbath, to the people of God (Hebrews 4:9)." "Homily on Numbers 23," par.4, in Migne, "Patrologia Graeca," Vol. 12,cols. 749, 750.
Palestine to India (Church of the East)

As early as A.D. 225 there existed lallrge bishoprics or conferences of the Church of the East (Sabbath-keeping) stretching from Palestine to India. Mingana, "Early Spread of Christianity." Vol.10, p. 460.
India (Buddhist Controversy, 220 A.D.)

The Kushan Dynasty of North India called a famous council of Buddhist priests at Vaisalia to bring uniformity among the Buddhist monks on the observance of their weekly Sabbath. Some had been so impressed by the writings of the Old Testament that they had begun to keep holy the Sabbath. Lloyd, "The Creed of Half Japan," p. 23.
Early Christians

"The seventh-day Sabbath was...solemnised by Christ, the Apostles, and primitive Christians, till the Laodicean Council did in manner quite abolish the observations of it." "Dissertation on the Lord's Day," pp. 33, 34

You can see the rest here 4th Century | Sabbath Through the Centuries | Sabbath Truth

guevaraj · Sep 30, 2021

MMXX said:
But they who study the word of God, and listen to God, say that about you and Ellen White. What makes you and Ellen right and them wrong?

Brother, others are not listening to Peter regarding some of Paul's writings. Peter does not say that Paul is wrong in what he says, but that his message is "hard to understand" for some people who would later separate Jesus from God's Sabbath "rest".

But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells. So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position. (2 Peter 3:13-17 NIV)

Peter warns against misinterpreting Paul to separate Jesus from God's Sabbath "rest". At the time that Paul wrote his message, all of Jesus' followers kept the Sabbath and no one separated Jesus from the keeping of the Sabbath to misinterpret Paul's strong corrective language about thinking that keeping the Sabbath saves you when it is Jesus who saves you to grow to obey to keep God's true Sabbath "rest" in Hebrews 3 and 4. The "rest" spoken of in Hebrews 3 and 4 "has been ready since He made the world". God did not give them this "rest" for 40 years with manna, them keeping a seventh day Sabbath from morning to morning which was correct in Eden, but not near the Promised Land until they reached the Promised Land and kept a Sabbath from evening to evening that is not a day of the week as defined in Genesis from morning to morning because the Sabbath remembered is in the time zone of Eden. Although God gave them His Sabbath in the Promised Land, under Joshua they did not understand the "rest" of God's Sabbath to keep the Sabbath outside the time zone of the Promised Land. To correct this misunderstanding since Joshua, "God set another time for entering His rest, and that time is today", in the new covenant with the call in Hebrews 3 and 4 to keep God's true Sabbath "rest". The "rest" that God wants us to enter "today", in the new covenant when believers find themselves living outside the time zone of the Promised Land, "has been ready since He made the world".

For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. God announced this through David much later in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. For the word of God is alive and powerful. It is sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword, cutting between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow. It exposes our innermost thoughts and desires. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God. Everything is naked and exposed before his eyes, and he is the one to whom we are accountable. (Hebrews 4:3-13 NLT)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

honey badger · Sep 30, 2021

SabbathBlessings

Question

why did Ron Wyatt leave the SDA ?

Danthemailman · Sep 30, 2021

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Gentiles are of man too. Yes the Sabbath was made a SIGN at Sinai, but it was not created there.

I guess God forgot to mention Gentiles in Exodus 31:16-17 and Deuteronomy 5:1-15.

honey badger · Sep 30, 2021

guevaraj

question

why did Ron Wyatt leave the SDA ?

SabbathBlessings · Sep 30, 2021

honey badger said:
SabbathBlessings

Question

why did Ron Wyatt leave the SDA ?

No idea. There are over 20 million members of the SDA church people leave, people are baptized in. Happens in every church.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Sep 30, 2021

Danthemailman said:
I guess God forgot to mention Gentiles in Exodus 31:16-17 and Deuteronomy 5:1-15.

There was a mixed multitude at Sinai, that joined with Israel...

BNR32FAN · Sep 30, 2021

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
That was only a local regional synod council, NOT enforcable on the entire Church. Read Canon 16

It is officially recognized as orthodox by the EOC. If it is recognized as orthodox then it is considered to be sound doctrine. None of the eastern churches taught sabbatarianism. That is to say none of them taught that we MUST rest on the Sabbath. If they did then they couldn’t rightly consider canon 29 of the Laodecian council to be orthodox. Yes they absolutely honored the Sabbath but they didn’t require one to rest on it as the fourth commandment does.

Leaf473 · Sep 30, 2021

tall73 said:
That is a large topic, but I will try to give a short recap.

William Miller was a baptist farmer who felt through his study of Scripture that Jesus would return to earth around the year 1843. He began preaching this, and publishing some of his prophetic conclusions, which grew into the Millerite movement. People from various denominations in America and some other countries, began proclaiming this message.

They eventually realized a calculation error and revised it to 1844.

Some of the Millerites then settled on Oct. 22, 1844 as the date of Jesus' return, based on their understanding that this would be the Day of Atonement that year. The specific date was not Miller's idea, but he eventually got on board.

Jesus' second coming did not occur on Oct. 22, 1844, which led to disappointment for the Millerites.

However, some of the Millerites then came to the conclusion that Miller had the right date, but the wrong event to take place, and that what actually happened on Oct. 22, 1844 was that Jesus for the first time entered into the Most Holy Place of the sanctuary in heaven.

So on earth the events leading up to the date were the Millerite movement. Seventh-day Adventists (who formed later from some of those who were part of the Millerite movement) still see significance to this movement, but acknowledge the initial teaching of Jesus' second coming in 1844 was incorrect, but that it still pointed to something that happened in heaven.

Hiram Edson is usually seen as the first Millerite to come to the understanding that Jesus went into the Most Holy Place in the heavenly sanctuary on that date, which he indicated came to him as he was crossing a corn field on Oct. 23, the day after the disappointment. He was crossing a corn field to avoid people who would mock them for their incorrect prediction of the second coming.

Later a more complete description was drawn up and published by a few Millerites.

Ellen White later claimed to see these events in heaven in vision.

Thanks for the info! I've read a little bit about the Millerites in my studies of the Jehovah's Witnesses because most historians trace JW origins back to Miller as well.

Why does Ellen talk about the seventh month when it looks like October is the key month? Was she using a Jewish calendar or something?

Yeshua HaDerekh · Sep 30, 2021

BNR32FAN said:
It is officially recognized as orthodox by the EOC. If it is recognized as orthodox then it is considered to be sound doctrine. None of the eastern churches taught sabbatarianism. That is to say none of them taught that we MUST rest on the Sabbath. If they did then they couldn’t rightly consider canon 29 of the Laodecian council to be orthodox. Yes they absolutely honored the Sabbath but they didn’t require one to rest on it as the fourth commandment does.

Yet the Sabbath is still the Sabbath...not Sunday...again, it was only a local regional synod...it was not an Ecumenical Church Council...accepted by the entire worldwide Church

tall73 · Sep 30, 2021

Leaf473 said:
Thanks for the info! I've read a little bit about the Millerites in my studies of the Jehovah's Witnesses because most historians trace JW origins back to Miller as well.

Why does Ellen talk about the seventh month when it looks like October is the key month? Was she using a Jewish calendar or something?

Yes, this was their calculation of the Day of Atonement based on their understanding of the Jewish calendar.

BNR32FAN · Sep 30, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
God always had saints who kept the commandments of God. Many were persecuted by the Roman Catholic church. The Roman Catholic church also changed the Sabbath to Sunday as predicted in scripture Daniel 7:25 and they freely admit the change did not come from any biblical authority and they quote as being above God's Word. That's why you will not find Sunday keeping as a commandment of God, or a day that God called holy to Him or to us. Those scriptures are only reserved for the seventh day. Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Isaiah 58:13. Jesus warns us of this very thing to not obey traditions over the commandments of God Matthew 15:3-9. That's why the Sabbath day will continue to be God's chosen day of worship forever as promised Exodus 31:16, Isaiah 66:23

The people who were rebuked by the Catholic Church, not persecuted, were the Judaisers. It was the Roman Church that was responsible for persecuting Judaisers after they were excommunicated from the Catholic Church. Judaisers we’re not persecuted by the Catholic Church they were rebuked and excommunicated, it was the Roman Church who began persecuting them when they instituted the inquisitions in 1184AD, 130 years after their excommunication from the Catholic Church. Your confusing two completely different churches with one another. The Catholic Church never forced anyone to convert, they simply rejected anyone who refused to or who taught heretical doctrines. Throughout the centuries many people were labeled as heretics and excommunicated and none of them were ever forced to comply with the Church. They were simply banned from it.

SabbathBlessings · Sep 30, 2021

BNR32FAN said:
The people who were rebuked by the Catholic Church, not persecuted, were the Judaisers. It was the Roman Church that was responsible for persecuting Judaisers after they were excommunicated from the Catholic Church. Judaisers we’re not persecuted by the Catholic Church they were rebuked and excommunicated, it was the Roman Church who began persecuting them when they instituted the inquisitions in 1184AD, 130 years after their excommunication from the Catholic Church. Your confusing two completely different churches with one another. The Catholic Church never forced anyone to convert, they simply rejected anyone who refused to or who taught heretical doctrines. Throughout the centuries many people were labeled as heretics and excommunicated and none of them were ever forced to comply with the Church. They were simply banned from it.

I said Roman Catholic.

Presbyterian Continuist · Sep 30, 2021

BobRyan said:
No doubt you found a lot of things to object to in those quotes - but for the sake of clarity - is the title of this thread "Why aren't non-SDAs promoting Ellen White's writings"???

That was the reason why non-SDAs don't promote Ellen White's writings. Genuine Christian believers don't promote a gospel that is different to what Paul preached.

BobRyan · Sep 30, 2021

Oscarr said:
That was the reason why non-SDAs don't promote Ellen White's writings.

I would be very surprised if someone in denomination-B promoted the writings of a prophet from denomination-A where that prophet claims to have had vision from God showing the future that contradicts something that denomination-B predicts for the future.

Genuine Christian believers don't promote a gospel that is different to what Paul preached which is why I am SDA.

BobRyan · Sep 30, 2021

Leaf473 said:
Thanks for the info! I've read a little bit about the Millerites in my studies of the Jehovah's Witnesses because most historians trace JW origins back to Miller as well.

Why does Ellen talk about the seventh month when it looks like October is the key month? Was she using a Jewish calendar or something?

The seventh month is mentioned in Lev 23 and includes "shadow" OT holy days that predict details related to end-time events associated with the 2nd coming of Christ.

the spring holy days in Lev 23 predict events pertaining to Christ's first coming.

And of course all animal sacrifices point to the crucifixion.

Freth · Sep 30, 2021

honey badger said:
guevaraj

question

why did Ron Wyatt leave the SDA ?

I have no idea who Ron Wyatt is.

It was prophesied that there would be apostasy in the churches. No church is immune.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first [apostasy], and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Doctrine should be tested with scripture.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

If you deviate from the word of God, you lose the very attributes promised. You fall into apostasy.

Isaiah 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear [worship] toward me is taught by the precept of men.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Matthew 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

Apostasy is supposed to happen, but scripture gives us everything we need to avoid falling away. Scripture repeatedly warns us not to heed the tradition of men.

BobRyan · Sep 30, 2021

honey badger said:
guevaraj

question

why did Ron Wyatt leave the SDA ?

I attended one of his presentations in person and have never heard that he left the denomination at any time in his life. Do you have some documentation that states it?

BobRyan · Sep 30, 2021

tall73 said:
Ellen White indicates the people of God are tested on the Sabbath after 1844.

No doubt many Millerites were tested on this in the years that followed Oct 22, 1844. Seventh-day Adventists were very focused on reaching out to their former contacts among the Millerites.

This post on page one of this thread - explains the topic - and shows that statements going into the 1900's were still firm that non-SDAs did not lose salvation simply because they did not have the correct Bible doctrine regarding the fourth commandment.

SabbathBlessings said:
Maybe you can provide scripture showing where un-repented sinners are saved?

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

There is no commandment from God for Sunday keeping , but there there is for Sabbath keeping, written by our Creators own finger and kept inside the ark of the Covenant in God’s Most Holy of His Temple. Exodus 20:8-11

The quote (in the OP) from Ellen is taken out of context:

"No one has yet received the mark of the beast. The testing time has not yet come. There are true Christians in every church, not excepting the Roman Catholic communion." . {Ev 234.2}

GC 382-383
"And in what religious bodies are the GREATER part of the followers of Christ now to be found? Without doubt, in the various churches professing the Protestant faith. "

"Imagine how instructive" those quotes would have been in the OP on this thread.

Sundaykeeping is not yet the mark of the beast, and will not be until the decree goes forth causing men to worship this (substitute) sabbath. The time will come when this day will be the test, but that time has not come yet. The S.D.A. Bible Commentary 7:977 (1899). {LDE 224.6}

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