Gabby Petito and White Privilege

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Joy Reid dismisses interest in Gabby Petito as ‘missing white woman syndrome’

I've long called discussions about white privilege to be thinly veiled racism against whites. In it's most academic arguments, it's a poorly evidenced and basically immeasurable/undetectable accusation of unconscious racism that favors whites over everyone else. In that form, it's an interesting bit of speculation that doesn't really explain anything. After all, there's no way to detect "white privilege" and certainly no way to measure its effects.

That should have been the beginning and end of the term...but instead, it's been picked up and used as an explanation for anything by people who are racist against whites. Does a white person have a better job than you? White privilege. Does your child's school teach them about European history? White privilege. Even if you aren't white and you have achieved the same thing as a white person....be it a degree or level success at a career....you can still claim that you worked harder, or the white person didn't have to overcome as many obstacles, because of white privilege.

Here now, we have a black woman on tv lamenting that a dead white girl has benefitted from her white privilege even as a corpse. These racists think there's never a bad time to draw attention to some imaginary racial victimhood....even if that time is during a tragedy where a family has found their dead daughter.

"Well, the answer actually has a name: Missing White Woman Syndrome - the term coined by the late and great Gwen Ifill to describe the media and public fascination with missing White women like Laci Peterson or Natalee Holloway, while ignoring cases involving people of colour,” the host of ReidOut on MSNBC said."

Remarkable. It's as if these racists were in a coma during all of 2020 when millions protested daily over crimes committed against black people. I suppose they imagine that no white people were wrongly shot by police during that whole time. They don't see this horrible tragedy unfold and think "what an awful thing for this girl's family to go through"....

They think "how can I make this story about black people and how they are the real victims"?

It's as if this case doesn't deserve the attention the media has given it...because the victim is white. You would think that since they spend so much time bringing attention to black victimhood, no matter how small or petty, they would appreciate taking a little break from it.

Instead, it appears they resent it. It's as if the constant stream of racism towards whites, and the devaluation of our struggles and achievements (through the accusation of white privilege) has left these racists at a point where they become angry that the media would dare give attention to the horrible tragedy and struggle this white family is going through.

It's disgusting that these racists and their racist beliefs have become so mainstream on the left that discussions like this are taken seriously...instead of dismissed as the racist garbage they are.

Thoughts?

I think there are more "missing white women" in a country that is majority white.

It's crazy though because they conveniently forget cases like "precious doe", who was a murdered black child whose reconstructed face was wallpapered on the news nightly for months until finally many gave up of ever even identifying the child - whose grandparents were later found, and then her mother and stepfather arrested for the horrific murder of the girl.

It was the most famous case in my adult memory: appearing on the news as well as print media so much I'll never forget her, I can't say the same for any "missing white woman".

There was never a town more decorated in the memory of 1 dead black child than Kansas City was... flyers everywhere, all over the news, in all the papers.. from the day they found the first of her dismembered parts all through the trial, Kansas City lived Erica Green.
 
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Complaining about who they pick to sensationalize is a bit like complaining that mainly good looking people get on TV.
I don't complain about it. It's just life. And we get to be entertained by it. We cant help that these people lose their lives.
 
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Oh, I could get in trouble here again. My thoughts on Catholicism have been aired several times, which is why I'm banned from that particular forum.

Sorry if that came off a little snarky, but it's the second time someone made a statement about the lack of racial integration being a major failing of the church in a thread of mine.

I don't think it's the biggest problem with christianity and oddly....I'm not sure it's much of a problem at all.

I don't have a lot of experience with the issue...but white church and black church look like somewhat different experiences...and I think that's ok. In the US at least, it seems to have grown out of the opportunity of black people having a time and place to worship with other black people....free from the worries of judgement that came from white people back when this sort of segregation happened.

I don't know that sort of community is something black people want to end by getting into predominantly white churches....or getting more white people into their churches. I don't know that they should want it.

Is it a problem? Maybe.
 
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Sorry if that came off a little snarky, but it's the second time someone made a statement about the lack of racial integration being a major failing of the church in a thread of mine.

I don't think it's the biggest problem with christianity and oddly....I'm not sure it's much of a problem at all.

I don't have a lot of experience with the issue...but white church and black church look like somewhat different experiences...and I think that's ok. In the US at least, it seems to have grown out of the opportunity of black people having a time and place to worship with other black people....free from the worries of judgement that came from white people back when this sort of segregation happened.

I don't know that sort of community is something black people want to end by getting into predominantly white churches....or getting more white people into their churches. I don't know that they should want it.

Is it a problem? Maybe.
I think it is a perception as much as anything. Pots and kettles, if you will. You would imagine that a nation that has gone from auctioning black people as slaves to electing one as president would be considered as non-racist as it gets. So the pot stirrers have to find another reason to complain. How about white privilege, they say. There is no such thing, but that has never stopped the professional trouble makers in the past.
 
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I think it is a perception as much as anything. Pots and kettles, if you will. You would imagine that a nation that has gone from auctioning black people as slaves to electing one as president would be considered as non-racist as it gets. So the pot stirrers have to find another reason to complain. How about white privilege, they say. There is no such thing, but that has never stopped the professional trouble makers in the past.

I can't say it's impossible that white privilege exists. That's not something we can really identify or measure it's effects though.

I've never heard a white person say they got a job, earned a degree, got a promotion, etc....because they're white. It could happen subconsciously, but there's no good reason to assume it's happening.

That's not how it gets used though. It's used any time a white person gets treated differently than a black person....as an explanation that accuses everyone of being racist. Imagine if I pointed out that since the Jan 6th rioters were mostly white, and the BLM rioters that surrounded and destroyed police departments were mostly black....and the reason why the FBI has only pursued the January 6th rioters and the BLM rioters mostly had their charges dropped was due to "black privilege".

It's a pretty stupid and extremely racist suggestion...yet that's exactly how white privilege gets used in everyday conversations.
 
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Sadly it generally serves to gives actual racists the opportunity to pretend that they're being discriminated against despite being the race with overwhelming control in every part of western society. When people have spent years calling someone out on their racism, what could be better than the chance to pretend they're actually the victim?

Although I do enjoy threads where an op repeats the same thing they've posted threads about a dozen times in the past, each time pretending that all the corrections and information they were presented with previously never actually happened.
 
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I can't say it's impossible that white privilege exists. That's not something we can really identify or measure it's effects though.

I've never heard a white person say they got a job, earned a degree, got a promotion, etc....because they're white. It could happen subconsciously, but there's no good reason to assume it's happening.

Sure, because that's EXACTLY how we detect large scale effects in society. By ignoring large amounts of data and just asking people for their opinions..
 
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Joy Reid dismisses interest in Gabby Petito as ‘missing white woman syndrome’

I've long called discussions about white privilege to be thinly veiled racism against whites. In it's most academic arguments, it's a poorly evidenced and basically immeasurable/undetectable accusation of unconscious racism that favors whites over everyone else. In that form, it's an interesting bit of speculation that doesn't really explain anything. After all, there's no way to detect "white privilege" and certainly no way to measure its effects.

That should have been the beginning and end of the term...but instead, it's been picked up and used as an explanation for anything by people who are racist against whites. Does a white person have a better job than you? White privilege. Does your child's school teach them about European history? White privilege. Even if you aren't white and you have achieved the same thing as a white person....be it a degree or level success at a career....you can still claim that you worked harder, or the white person didn't have to overcome as many obstacles, because of white privilege.

Here now, we have a black woman on tv lamenting that a dead white girl has benefitted from her white privilege even as a corpse. These racists think there's never a bad time to draw attention to some imaginary racial victimhood....even if that time is during a tragedy where a family has found their dead daughter.

"Well, the answer actually has a name: Missing White Woman Syndrome - the term coined by the late and great Gwen Ifill to describe the media and public fascination with missing White women like Laci Peterson or Natalee Holloway, while ignoring cases involving people of colour,” the host of ReidOut on MSNBC said."

Remarkable. It's as if these racists were in a coma during all of 2020 when millions protested daily over crimes committed against black people. I suppose they imagine that no white people were wrongly shot by police during that whole time. They don't see this horrible tragedy unfold and think "what an awful thing for this girl's family to go through"....

They think "how can I make this story about black people and how they are the real victims"?

It's as if this case doesn't deserve the attention the media has given it...because the victim is white. You would think that since they spend so much time bringing attention to black victimhood, no matter how small or petty, they would appreciate taking a little break from it.

Instead, it appears they resent it. It's as if the constant stream of racism towards whites, and the devaluation of our struggles and achievements (through the accusation of white privilege) has left these racists at a point where they become angry that the media would dare give attention to the horrible tragedy and struggle this white family is going through.

It's disgusting that these racists and their racist beliefs have become so mainstream on the left that discussions like this are taken seriously...instead of dismissed as the racist garbage they are.

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Blacks favored Blacks. Blacks voted for Blacks. Blacks listened to Black singers and musicians. Black racists hate Whites and accused Whites of racism.

I worked in an integrated office. Sometimes I did not think of people of different appearances as being different, but knew them by their personalities. In other places I noticed I was being treated differently than others. I am supposed to love people of all races. I would rather give to my brother than a stranger.

When you call White people trash, they will not want to let you in.
 
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Sadly it generally serves to gives actual racists the opportunity to pretend that they're being discriminated against despite being the race with overwhelming control in every part of western society. When people have spent years calling someone out on their racism, what could be better than the chance to pretend they're actually the victim?

Although I do enjoy threads where an op repeats the same thing they've posted threads about a dozen times in the past, each time pretending that all the corrections and information they were presented with previously never actually happened.

Black people run Somalia... is that wrong too?

Just asking because most countries are ran by the people who exist in those countries, and the west is ethnically one race in a majority, therefore it's more likely to see a larger representation of that race in positions of power.

What should be amazing isn't the fact whites hold more positions of power, but the fact the west is more welcoming of different ethnicities than any other nations on earth. Happy to share their general prosperity with any other ethnicity who'd enjoy to participate in it, as there is room.
 
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Black people run Somalia... is that wrong too?

Just asking because most countries are ran by the people who exist in those countries, and the west is ethnically one race in a majority, therefore it's more likely to see a larger representation of that race in positions of power.

What should be amazing isn't the fact whites hold more positions of power, but the fact the west is more welcoming of different ethnicities than any other nations on earth. Happy to share their general prosperity with any other ethnicity who'd enjoy to participate in it, as there is room.

Of course you're going to see more white people in positions of power in a society where whites make up a majority of the racial distribution. So for instance in the Fortune 500 it would be surprising to see more than around 65-70 Black CEOs given that black people make up only 13.5% of the US population.

Currently there are 4.

Out of 100 senators? 3.

These are not isolated examples.
 
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I see you're not interested in my underlying questioning of the relevance of this case to begin with. (Yesterday at lunch a well known right-wing news channel was on the TV and just as I was leaving they brought on Nancy Grace the spectre that haunts cases like these after years of her personal exploitation of the pain of the affected families.) Oh well. Frankly I think Joy Reid has a point, but I'm not interested in discussing with *you* your claim that a Black person complaining that the news media largely ignores similar cases involving non-white people is somehow racism against white people.

I often wonder why some cases get the attention they do. I don't see anything inherently wrong with that, or exploring it honestly. For example...

White Woman Is Fired After Calling Police on Black Man in Central Park (Published 2020)

This case had multiple articles in the NYT and most major media outlets. That link there is an update over a year after the original incident. A woman called the police on a black man, falsely, at a dog park. There's not much to the story.

This (like the specifics of the story here) is a distraction, but I will briefly address it:

1. This was part of a growing string of similar incidents in the public consciousness through traditional and social media showing overreactions to non-white (mostly Black) people being in public places, in the own neighborhoods, and even on their own properties and doing ordinary things. The incidents were all filmed (sometimes by the harasser) and many involved emergency police calls. The harassers where so often middle-aged white women they acquired the moniker 'Karen'.

2. The video clearly showed a false claim made to police and the visual media took to it like a cat to a laser pointer. It got wide coverage on the day it occurred (Memorial Day 2020), but was largely pushed aside after a more compelling and important video surfaced -- the murder of a man by a cop on a Minneapolis street in plain sight that same day.

3. This incident took place on the island of Manhattan in Central Park. The New York Times is located on the island of Manhattan about 1 mile south of Central Park. The NY Times *IS* the local newspaper. (As I tried to tell them the last time the called to sell a subscription: "I don't live in NY or near NY. I don't travel to NY. I don't care what happens in NY. If I want a paper, I'll get the local one.")
 
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Frankly I think Joy Reid has a point, but I'm not interested in discussing with *you* your claim that a Black person complaining that the news media largely ignores similar cases involving non-white people is somehow racism against white people.
And what is it when the claim is made that "a Black [sic] person" has done something, and that it would be different with "white people?"

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What "hierarchy"?

I don't see anyone as less than or greater than myself because of their race.

I'm sure some people do...but that's not because of a hierarchy, that's because they are racists.
If that is true, then why so defensive about the opinion of a tv personality? A black woman's opinion at that.
 
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And what is it when the claim is made that "a Black [sic] person" has done something, and that it would be different with "white people?"

:destroyed:

Reid's complaint is that national news media organizations spend large amounts of their time and resources covering specific missing children and young women who are otherwise not noteworthy, but are white, while largely ignoring similar non-white missing people. The OP thinks that complaint is somehow racist. I think he is completely wrong, but that wasn't the point of my original post in this thread as I think the news media should just spend less time on such stories, period.

You seem to misunderstand my post as I didn't talk at all about black people doing anything wrong.
 
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Here now, we have a black woman on tv lamenting that a dead white girl has benefitted from her white privilege even as a corpse. These racists think there's never a bad time to draw attention to some imaginary racial victimhood....even if that time is during a tragedy where a family has found their dead daughter.
It is perhaps a little crass to talk about it on a national news broadcast, but it's also a valid cultural discussion. Why do we only ever see this level of national news attention for missing adults when they're young, white, and attractive?

Remarkable. It's as if these racists were in a coma during all of 2020 when millions protested daily over crimes committed against black people. I suppose they imagine that no white people were wrongly shot by police during that whole time.
There's a pretty significant difference between a pattern of police killings that covers the entire country spanning over a century and a single missing woman.

It's as if this case doesn't deserve the attention the media has given it...because the victim is white.
No, it's as if the case doesn't deserve the attention the media has given it. Full stop. Joy Reid's theory on why it has received the amount of attention that it has is because Ms. Petito was a young white woman. You're free to disagree, of course, but I'd be curious as to what your explanation is.
 
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It was the most famous case in my adult memory: appearing on the news as well as print media so much I'll never forget her, I can't say the same for any "missing white woman".

There was never a town more decorated in the memory of 1 dead black child than Kansas City was... flyers everywhere, all over the news, in all the papers.. from the day they found the first of her dismembered parts all through the trial, Kansas City lived Erica Green.
Out of curiosity, did you live in or near Kansas City at the time?
 
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Sure, because that's EXACTLY how we detect large scale effects in society.

Ok...tell me how you detect "white privilege" to begin with.

Then we'll move onto how you measure it's "effects".

Once you show that you can't actually do either...we can talk about why this racist idea appeals to you.
 
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It is perhaps a little crass to talk about it on a national news broadcast, but it's also a valid cultural discussion. Why do we only ever see this level of national news attention for missing adults when they're young, white, and attractive?

Do we? Or is it just confirmation bias?


There's a pretty significant difference between a pattern of police killings that covers the entire country spanning over a century and a single missing woman.

What's the difference? More unarmed white men are shot and killed by police every year than black men...why does the media only focus on black men? Does the media have "unarmed black man syndrome"?

Would that be a valid cultural discussion? If Tucker Carlson came on tv one night and suggested that the media had "unarmed black man syndrome" would you sit there and think "gee...he really has a point."?

Or would you just think he's racist?

No, it's as if the case doesn't deserve the attention the media has given it. Full stop. Joy Reid's theory on why it has received the amount of attention that it has is because Ms. Petito was a young white woman. You're free to disagree, of course, but I'd be curious as to what your explanation is.

I already posted an explanation...full stop. Did you read the rest of the thread? Try post#7
 
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I see you're not interested in my underlying questioning of the relevance of this case to begin with.

Post #7. It's a short thread.

(Yesterday at lunch a well known right-wing news channel was on the TV and just as I was leaving they brought on Nancy Grace the spectre that haunts cases like these after years of her personal exploitation of the pain of the affected families.) Oh well. Frankly I think Joy Reid has a point, but I'm not interested in discussing with *you* your claim that a Black person complaining that the news media largely ignores similar cases involving non-white people is somehow racism against white people.

Ok.

This (like the specifics of the story here) is a distraction, but I will briefly address it:

1. This was part of a growing string of similar incidents in the public consciousness through traditional and social media showing overreactions to non-white (mostly Black) people being in public places, in the own neighborhoods, and even on their own properties and doing ordinary things. The incidents were all filmed (sometimes by the harasser) and many involved emergency police calls. The harassers where so often middle-aged white women they acquired the moniker 'Karen'.

2. The video clearly showed a false claim made to police and the visual media took to it like a cat to a laser pointer. It got wide coverage on the day it occurred (Memorial Day 2020), but was largely pushed aside after a more compelling and important video surfaced -- the murder of a man by a cop on a Minneapolis street in plain sight that same day.

3. This incident took place on the island of Manhattan in Central Park. The New York Times is located on the island of Manhattan about 1 mile south of Central Park. The NY Times *IS* the local newspaper. (As I tried to tell them the last time the called to sell a subscription: "I don't live in NY or near NY. I don't travel to NY. I don't care what happens in NY. If I want a paper, I'll get the local one.")

The story wasn't just in the NYT.

Moreover, I'm not saying that the NYT or any other outlet has wrong for running the story.

This is about undue attention. Joy Reid isn't claiming that it's wrong that the media gave this story any attention. She's claiming that it's getting more attention than it deserves because it's a white girl.

Likewise, I'm not claiming that it's wrong for the NYT is wrong for running the story about "black guy encounters racist woman". There's nothing wrong with that.

The problem is that the Joy Reids of the world are complaining about undue attention to a likely murdered girl because she's white...but you would never hear Joy Reid (or anyone else) complaining that the national media spent so much time examining "black guy runs into racist woman at the park".

Why? Because that would be pretty racist.
 
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