Would you quit your job if employer mandated vaccinations

Joe has no authority under our Constitution to mandate what private businesses can or cannot do. Nor can he violate doctor/patient confidentiality. I know his patience is wearing thin as to we citizens having rights and freedoms--too bad.

spiritfilledjm said:

Well, he just wrote an executive order mandating all employers with more than 100 employees must have them get vaccinated or be tested by using OSHA regulations so....good question. Thankfully I am an independent contractor and the company I am contracted with does not have over 100 employees.[/QU

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spiritfilledjm said:

The Nuremburg Code has 10 points, coercing somebody to participate in this experiment in the vaccine by threatening their livelihood or to be able to buy and sell violates the first point.

1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision.

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I love when someone brings up the Nuremberg Code.
So you don’t have to stay at the job. You don’t have to take the vaccine. Right-to-work and at-will employment which while two very different things, in this case have the same outcome: terms and conditions of employment.
If you are a worker who is required to take vaccines you are told that before being hired. It is in your worker’s contract. That’s why they have to get every other vaccine.
It also doesn’t matter who you work for. If it’s in your contract, you have to or you’re out of a job. Simple. You don’t have to get it. They don’t force you. They don’t hold you down and stick that vaccine in your arm. Nope, you just have to get a new job.
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“States have long had the constitutional authority to mandate vaccinations, which the Supreme Court has upheld twice, first in 1905 (Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905))
and then in 1922(Zucht v. King, 260 U.S. 174 (1922))
The federal government, however, has limited power to mandate vaccines. It can only require them to prevent transmission of a dangerous infectious disease across state lines or international borders.”
(Vaccine Mandates Are Lawful, Effective and Based on Rock-Solid Science)
Please using the Nuremberg Code to justify this position.
This is in no way shape or form anywhere remotely close to violating or why they created the Nuremberg Code, International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, United Nations Principles of Medical Ethics, US Bipartisan Patient Protection Act, or any other medical code/treaty/rights/ethics etc.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

So your family and your self are able to work . But refuse to .

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No.

Valletta said:

Joe has no authority under our Constitution to mandate what private businesses can or cannot do. Nor can he violate doctor/patient confidentiality. I know his patience is wearing thin as to we citizens having rights and freedoms--too bad.

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It'll be interesting to see if anyone takes it to court and how far it goes.

ThisIsMe123 said:

The The Nuremburg Code isn't real in this case. It' isn't a thing. Lose the tin foil cap. Stop making these crappy comparisons.

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The Nuremberg code came to be in Germany in the 30's and 40's and was adopted as a set of medical ethics regarding human experimentation as a result of the court case of USA vs. Brandt. It is absolutely "a thing" with legal standing in the United States.

topher694 said:

Off topic, but, out of curiosity: what do you do? (if you don't mind my asking)

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over-the-phone customer service

ThisIsMe123 said:

This was for Federal workers, not private businesses. Quit derailing this thread.

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He has also announced that by using OSHA regulations, he is mandating that all private businesses with over 100 employees be vaccinated or have testing.

spiritfilledjm said:

It'll be interesting to see if anyone takes it to court and how far it goes.

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It’s pretty well established that management can require vaccination. So the requirement for Federal workers is safe. OSHA rules requiring vaccination or testing don’t seem likely to be a problem, and seem like they are within OSHAs purview. I don’t know how far courts will allow the Federal government to place requirements on contractors. It has been done for other purposes, such as racial, so there’s a reasonable chance it is OK.

I suspect a lot of companies want this. I certainly would like to see my employer do it. So in addition to the legal effect, it is likely to encourage employers and others.

There is no proposed mandate for K 12 students. I’d like to see more schools requiring it. Schools require lots of vaccines. It’s crazy to leave Covid off the list, since that’s the one that matters most at the moment.

ThisIsMe123 said:

You're wrong, one has nothing to with the other. Stop likening what's happening here, now, with Nuremberg code. I don't get people comparing this to Nazi Germany?

Get back to reality.

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The Nuremburg code was pre-Nazi Germany. Obviously Hitler and the Nazi's ignored it during the Holocaust but then it was adopted afterwards.

SamanthaAnastasia said:

I love when someone brings up the Nuremberg Code.
So you don’t have to stay at the job. You don’t have to take the vaccine. Right-to-work and at-will employment which while two very different things, in this case have the same outcome: terms and conditions of employment.
If you are a worker who is required to take vaccines you are told that before being hired. It is in your worker’s contract. That’s why they have to get every other vaccine.
It also doesn’t matter who you work for. If it’s in your contract, you have to or you’re out of a job. Simple. You don’t have to get it. They don’t force you. They don’t hold you down and stick that vaccine in your arm. Nope, you just have to get a new job.
Now.
“States have long had the constitutional authority to mandate vaccinations, which the Supreme Court has upheld twice, first in 1905 (Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905))
and then in 1922(Zucht v. King, 260 U.S. 174 (1922))
The federal government, however, has limited power to mandate vaccines. It can only require them to prevent transmission of a dangerous infectious disease across state lines or international borders.”
(Vaccine Mandates Are Lawful, Effective and Based on Rock-Solid Science)
Please using the Nuremberg Code to justify this position.
This is in no way shape or form anywhere remotely close to violating or why they created the Nuremberg Code, International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, United Nations Principles of Medical Ethics, US Bipartisan Patient Protection Act, or any other medical code/treaty/rights/ethics etc.

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co·er·cion
/kōˈərZHən,kōˈərSHən/

noun

1. the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.

Don't quit. Make them fire you.

ThisIsMe123 said:

What's sad is, even nurses are quitting. This demonstrates a character how they were never really passionate about their career, and it was just a job to them more so than a career if you think about it.

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No, it demonstrates how strongly they feel about the risks of the vaccine. That you don't even try to understand and acknowledge the actual concerns people have about the vaccine is telling.

I am 99.99% sure that a close coworker of mine will be leaving their job because of this mandate, assuming it's implemented as Biden has laid out. They won't be the only one.

prodromos said:

I am not able to work because one of our major clients requires all contractors who come on site to be vaccinated. My wife is now no longer working because her employer has mandated that everyone be vaccinated, despite the fact that she has been working from home for months and is not coming into contact with anyone. My daughter has just graduated Police academy but has been put on leave because it has now been mandated that all police be vaccinated. They don't want to lose her because they are struggling to get recruites and she is exactly the sort of person they want on the force, but the order has come down from higher ups who are only concerned about their own careers.
Yes, we are willing to lose our jobs over this. Mandating an experimental drug is evil and directly violates the Nuremburg Code.

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It is absurd and distinctly not science-based to require fully remote workers - who do not come into contact with anyone at work - to be vaccinated.

Additionally, if they're really concerned about the spread of Covid, both the vaccinated and unvaccinated should be tested weekly, as it spreads in the vaccinated as well.

People are cheering on the death of logical consistency under the guise of "follow the science".

pitabread said:

The alternative is greater risk of transmission of the virus and more dead people. Which is a much worse deal than having to get tested, imho.

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Both the vaccinated and unvaccinated present a high risk of transmission. Delta decreases the vaccine protection from infection significantly, and mu decreases vaccine protection from infection even more. If they were going to implement a policy actually aimed at reducing transmission, they would be mandating everyone get tested, not just the unvaccinated.

pitabread said:

Except this isn't an experiment, so it's not relevant. The vaccines have gone through clinical trials, been tested and approved.

Bringing up the Nuremburg Code is just anti-vax propaganda nonsense.

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Only 1 vaccine has actually gotten FDA approval, and they're not administering it. All of the vaccines being administered in the US are exempt from any liability of adverse effects.

What is nonsense is you continuing to claim that only the unvaccinated can spread the virus. The vaccine offers only limited protection from infection and thereby only reduces the spread in limited manner.

spiritfilledjm said:

co·er·cion
/kōˈərZHən,kōˈərSHən/

noun

1. the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.

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con•tract kŏn′trăkt″

• n.
  An agreement between two or more parties, especially one that is written and enforceable by law.
• n.
  The writing or document containing such an agreement.

Sparagmos said:

A weekly test seems easy enough.

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It is pretty easy. Unfortunately, it's not very useful, given the short generation time of the Delta variant. Better than nothing, but nowhere near as good as vaccination.

spiritfilledjm said:

co·er·cion
/kōˈərZHən,kōˈərSHən/

noun

1. the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.

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…and?

That’s how laws work.