48 Years After Roe v. Wade, Mexico's Supreme Court Decriminalizes Abortion

Hammster · Sep 8, 2021

Goonie said:
I'm not the one advocating killing rape victims.

Neither am I.

Hammster · Sep 8, 2021

tstor said:
You're right. We should seek to heal and rehabilitate. That's what Jesus did.

For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.
— Romans 13:3-4

Goonie · Sep 8, 2021

Hammster said:
Neither am I.

Yet you demand the death penalty for rape victims who dare to exercise control of what is in their own body,

Hammster · Sep 8, 2021

Goonie said:
Yet you demand the death penalty for rape victims who dare to exercise control of what is in their own body,

I never said that.

Goonie · Sep 8, 2021

Hammster said:
I never said that.

Yet you support the Texas ban that effectively bans abortion for all rape victims, including children, and demand the death penalty in a previous post for those who dare to exercise such control of what is in their own bodies. I am referring to post #12.

Hammster · Sep 8, 2021

Goonie said:
Yet you support the Texas ban that effectively bans abortion for all rape victims, including children, and demand the death penalty in a previous post for those who dare to exercise such control of what is in their own bodies. I am referring to post #12.

Just so we are clear, here is what I said.

Hammster said:
We could do what we do with all murders and punish them. And actually be biblical about it and put them to death.

I didn’t say we should put to death those who exercise control over their own bodies. I’m not sure what you hope to gain by misrepresenting what I have said.

rambot · Sep 8, 2021

Hammster said:
We could do what we do with all murders and punish them. And actually be biblical about it and put them to death.

And you think that would stop abortion?

rambot · Sep 8, 2021

I didn’t say we should put to death those who exercise control over their own bodies. I’m not sure what you hope to gain by misrepresenting what I have said

NOBODY would ever say that.

But that is a very real consequence of what you said and so it deserves a clearer explanation.

rambot · Sep 8, 2021

Hammster said:
Have you ever heard the expression “two wrongs don’t make a right”?

Said the poster who is ok with putting to death rape victims?
And who says it's good to murder women who terminate pregnancy?

Goonie · Sep 8, 2021

rambot said:
Said the poster who is ok with putting to death rape victims?
And who says it's good to murder women who terminate pregnancy?

He did not say it was okay to kill rape victims, but post #12 implies he definitely is ok with killing rape victims who abort the resulting fetus.

Hammster · Sep 8, 2021

rambot said:
And you think that would stop abortion?

Stop? No. At least no more than any other law against murder. It will be just, though. And as Christians, that is what we should strive for since God is a God of justice.

rambot · Sep 8, 2021

Goonie said:
He did not say it was okay to kill rape victims, but post #12 implies he definitely is ok with killing rape victims who abort the resulting fetus.

Fair point!

Apologies for the misrepresentation

Hammster · Sep 8, 2021

rambot said:
Said the poster who is ok with putting to death rape victims?
And who says it's good to murder women who terminate pregnancy?

Justice is not wrong.

rambot · Sep 8, 2021

Hammster said:
Stop? No. At least no more than any other law against murder. It will be just, though. And as Christians, that is what we should strive for since God is a God of justice.

Yes he is a GOD of justice.

And because God is a God of justice His followers can just kick back, not worry about judging people and just love and help everyone.
Humans can never represent God's perfect justice here on earth. And the beautiful thing is He doesn't ask us to. He asks us to behave a certain way; not create laws forcing everyone to.

Hammster · Sep 8, 2021

rambot said:
Yes he is a GOD of justice.

And because God is a God of justice His followers can just kick back, not worry about judging people and just love and help everyone.
Humans can never represent God's perfect justice here on earth. And the beautiful thing is He doesn't ask us to. He asks us to behave a certain way; not create laws forcing everyone to.

Are you okay with all murderers and rapists roaming the streets? Or do you think there should be laws?

rambot · Sep 8, 2021

Hammster said:
Are you okay with all murderers and rapists roaming the streets? Or do you think there should be laws?

I think there should be laws.

Hammster · Sep 8, 2021

rambot said:
I think there should be laws.

Me, too.

Fantine · Sep 8, 2021

The death penalty has not been an effective deterrent against murder, so probably not.

grasping the after wind · Sep 8, 2021

Fantine said:
The unanimous decision came as a result of a challenge to Coahuila's law criminalizing abortion. Coahuila borders east Texas south of San Antonio.

While there are four other Mexican states with fully legal abortion, none are within easy distance of the U.S. border, although the ruling establishes "obligatory criteria" which all other Mexican states will be required to follow.

Mexico's supreme court unanimously votes to decriminalize abortion

Coahuila borders Laredo on the most well-traveled route between the two countries, 150 miles from San Antonio.

Looking at it objectively, it seems to show that abortion will always be legal somewhere. It is legal in almost all of the northern hemisphere and Australia. If Roe v.s. Wade is overturned by the Supreme Court, it will still be legal in about half the states.

And that brings me to my long-held conclusion. People of good will, if you want to "kill" abortion, you will have to "kill it with kindness." You will have to go after the root causes and address them. In a country with rampant and increasing income inequality (in my state, 47% of workers earn less than $15 an hour) you will have to make childrearing affordable.

Wouldn't it be better taking the money spent on firehouse drop boxes where women can abandon infants safely and using it to build a society that values children, not just fetuses?

The most direct root cause of the desire to have an abortion is irresponsible sexual intercourse on the part of individuals. Making less than $15.00 an hour does not cause pregnancy nor does making more than $15.00 an hour work as a contraceptive. How do you propose we address that ? If a person can't afford to raise a child perhaps that person ought to take advantage of the free contraceptives that are available or, this may seem like heresy to many, don't engage in sexual intercourse with a person one doesn't want to have a permanent monogamous relationship with. BTW money doesn't build a society that values children. If one sees money as the solution to problems one's values will reflect that . Responsible adults build a society that values all people not just children. When adults abandon personal responsibility for their own actions and seek excuses and scapegoats or blame lack of personal wealth for every irresponsible or even despicable act the resulting society's values are not IMO worthwhile ones.

Hammster · Sep 8, 2021

Fantine said:
The death penalty has not been an effective deterrent against murder, so probably not.

It is. But that is not its intention.

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