20 major reasons to reject the Premillennial doctrine

Guojing said:

If Christ is reigning over the Earth, and his believers are still sick, do you think he is doing a great job?

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Who says believers being sick negates Christ reigning over the earth?

Guojing said:

SG claimed that Psalms 103 is the current reality. You agreed with his post.

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False! When did i say that?

Guojing said:

20 major reasons to reject the Premillennial doctrine

You even end up denying what you wrote.

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I was talking about healing existing in that day and our day. I did not apply Psalm 103 to this day. I applied it to his day. So, where is your evidence?

Timtofly said:

Where does it call it a Millennium? Revelation 20 is the fulfillment of OT prophecy.

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You didn't answer my question again: where in Revelation 20 does it call the millennium "the Lord's Day"?

Guojing said:

So, in the end, you end up agreeing with me that Psalms 103:3 cannot be true today.

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Both salvation and healing were a spiritual reality in the OT and the NT. Study both carefully. No amount of denials from you will change the facts. God healed in the OT, the NT and heals today. He is indeed a healer, as David testified. David mentions or describes no so-called future millennium in his psalm. You force that into the text as you do your rapture, followed by a 7-years trib followed by a 3rd coming into Daniel 9, Ezekiel 39, Luke 21:33-36, 1 Thessalonians 4:15-5:7 and Revelation 3:10, 4:1. You forget that your so-called future millennium is plagued by sin, death, corruption, sickness, rebellion, Satan, and war.

Guojing said:

How can I prove something that will only happen in the future?

But here is a hint: There are believers that are still sick today

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You made the false charge:

If Christ is reigning over the Earth, and his believers are still sick, do you think he is doing a great job?

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Support it! Who says believers being sick negates Christ reigning over the earth?

Guojing said:

Again, why are believers still sick today? You keep refusing to answer this question.

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Because we have not arrived at the place of perfection. That only occurs when Jesus comes and perfects His people and this earth at the one final future coming of Christ. Then there will be no more dying, lying and crying. No more hospitals and sickness. No more sin and sinners.

Guojing said:

So amills believe that God is currently reigning over all the Earth, and yet believe that life on Earth is not perfect in his reign.

So what kind of reign of God is that?

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Yes!

Christ's mediatory sovereign reign over all creation working all things out for His glory and the benefit of His elect.

Guojing said:

If Christ is reigning over the Earth, and his believers are still sick, do you think he is doing a great job?

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What do you mean "if?

1 Corinthians 15:22-24 tells us: “For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.”

Here you have it: “all rule and all authority and power” are “put down” at “Christ’s … Coming.” It is that simple, and that clear. Those who take a clear, objective and literal straightforward reading of this text will see that it spells the end of all rebellion. However, this is the opposite to the Premil millennium: which has more wicked and more enemies arising and culminates in the greatest uprising in human history – as the wicked, against the saints of God “as the sand of the sea.”

Paul continues in 1 Corinthians 15:25-26: “For he must reign (present, active infinitive), till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.”

Here he shows that Christ is reigning now. It is written in the present, active infinitive sense. How long does he reign? He confirms: “till he hath put all enemies under his feet.” Again, this couldn’t be clearer! Every last enemy will be subjugated and subdued at the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. The last enemy is identified as death!

There you have it! The second coming sees the final “put down” of all:

· rule
· authority
· power
· death

Paul then reinforces this thought:

1 Corinthians 15:27-28 “For ‘he hath put’ [Gr. hupotassō or subordinated or submitted] all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under [Gr. hupotassō or subordinated or submitted] him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put [Gr. hupotassō or subordinated or submitted] all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued [Gr. hupotassō or subordinated or submitted] unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him, that put all things under [Gr. hupotassō or subordinated or submitted] him, that God may be all in all.”

We can see from the grammatical tense that this is written in the present active particle tense, which proves this is happening now. There are still obviously enemies to be born and subjugated. There are enemies currently being subdued. That is not hard to get your head round. There are still leaders and kingdoms to fall, but they are all on borrowed time. It is only a matter before each earthly kingdom crumbles. But the sovereign king reigns unchallenged in His power and authority ruling over all creation (seen and unseen) and over all things (good and evil). What He causes happens, what He allows happens. Nothing more and nothing less. This is proof that Christ is indeed reigning now over all (including His enemies). When the second coming arrives, He will final subdue everything to Himself.

New enemies are rising and being subject to Him every day. But we see the final overthrow of all rebellion at the second coming (Revelation 11:15 and 1 Corinthians 15:22-24). They are all finally "put down" and "subdued" when He comes. His sovereign control over His enemies simply means He is in control of His enemies. Nothing happens without His permission. He reigns as God and man now. He is at the right hand of authority and hold all power in heaven and on earth. Premil restarts the great battle between light and darkness, Christ and Satan, life and death, again in their alleged future millennium when they repopulate their corrupt new earth with countless wicked, sin, death, disease, debt, divorce, animal sacrifices and Satan.

Philippians 3:20-21 says, “we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change [Gr. metaschematizo] our vile body, that it may be fashioned [Gr. summorphos] like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able to able even to subdue [Gr. hupotassō or subordinated or submitted] all things unto himself.”

Paul identifies the time of the subduing or subordinating of “all things unto himself” with the occasion of the second coming, which expressly sees the final act of redemption and the fulfilment of the glorification process. This is unquestionably the conclusion of history – the “times of restitution (or reconstitution) of all things.”

Dr. Alan Cairns in his ‘Dictionary of Theological Terms’ defines glorification as “The perfect conformity of the believer to the image of Jesus Christ, both in body and soul. It is the perfection of sanctification, when our body of humiliation will be conformed to the body of Christ’s glory (Philippians 3:21) and we shall be entirely “like Christ” (1 John 3:2). These texts place this event at the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.”

Ephesians 1:20-23 tells us that God hath “raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And ‘hath put’ [Gr. hupotassō or subordinated or submitted] all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.”

Here is a very important passage that again confirms the absolute authority that Christ now enjoys and reveals the unlimited scope of His current rule. It explicitly illustrates the current sovereign reign of Christ over all His enemies from the “right hand” of majesty on high, until the occasion when He finally makes them His footstool – namely His one final future all-consummating Coming. God hath now “put all things (not some) under his feet.” And so as to leave no ambiguity to the reader, we find Paul explaining the fact that Christ’s rule includes both the whole natural and spiritual realm: “all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come.”

The phrase “set (kathizō) him at his own right hand” literally reads in the original “seated him at his own right hand.” Many miss the enormity of this language. In ancient times, when a monarch was seated upon their throne it confirmed their formal investiture with regal power. It also often meant that their enemies had been conquered and they were now ruling.

He is risen and He is reigning! This is happening now! Check out the actual original text and check out the tense.

Every king has had rebellious unsubmitted citizens under them; but that did not negate the veracity, power and influence of their kingship. What is more, you ignore key elements of the inspired text in your attempt to strip Christ of His authority. Hebrews 2:8-10 actually rebuts your claims: “Thou hast put [Gr. hupotassō or subordinated or submitted] all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all [Gr. hupotassō or subordinated or submitted] in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under [Gr. anupotaktos or not made subject, unsubjected] him. But now we see not yet all things put under [Gr. hupotassō or subordinated or submitted] him. But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.”

Premils are selective in their quoting of this passage. Rather than quote the full verse they just quote part of it. They side-step the 1st part of that text and only highlight the 2nd in order to deny the current kingship of Christ, and dilute His control over all mankind. What is more, this is the only text they have to argue what they do on this, and even then they selectively highlight half a text to the exclusion of the the other half. Notwithstanding, this has been addressed several times by Amils here, with little acknowledgement. You either ignore or misunderstand the thrust of the text. You are absolutely right "now we see not yet all things put under him."

The fact is: there are still enemies to be born and subjugated. There are still leaders and kingdoms to fall. But the sovereign king reigns majestic, supreme and unchallenged in His power and authority, ruling over all creation (seen and unseen) and over all things (good and evil). The other part of the passage that you ignore is: "Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him."

There it is! Jesus is the supreme power. He is the government. He carries all authority. As for the last 1/4 of the verse that you concentrate on, you are absolutely right "now we see not yet all things put under him." The fact is: there are still enemies to be born and subjugated. There are still leaders and kingdoms to fall. But the sovereign king reigns majestic, supreme and unchallenged in His power and authority, ruling over all creation (seen and unseen) and over all things (good and evil). Whilst new enemies are being born every day, while new wicked regimes continually arise, Christ determines what He allows and what He doesn’t. There is nothing that is not under Him. The world is NOT out of control. God has a plan and that plan will be fulfilled, when God sees fit.

Permitting evil and using it for His ultimate glory does not negate Christ’s kingship or Him ruling in divine power.

Guojing said:

So Amills believe that Christ is reigning over the Earth, and yet he will allow sickness to still happen to those who believe in him under his reign.

Alright then, I learn something more about what they believe in, and how they respond to passages like Psalms 103:3 and Isaiah 33:24.

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Who says believers being sick negates Christ reigning over the earth?