Surprised nobodies debating Texas's new abortion law.

Strathos · Aug 31, 2021

ranunculus said:
This "abortion is murder" hyperbole is hard to take seriously. If you claim that it's child murder, write a disgruntled message on a forum about how evil it is that it happens literally a million times a year with no consequences for the perpetrators, then go drink some coffee and see which game is on, I'm not going to insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.

To be fair, the same could be said about a lot of other issues, like people starving in foreign countries, people dying of COVID, etc.

Lain Iwakura · Aug 31, 2021

rambot said:
I imagine you were also quite upset at the sterilization of immigrants and refugees in Georgia in 2020 yes?

If this occured, then yes, I am upset about it. In the same way I'm upset about the U.S. military participating in the forced sterilization of South America women.

Lain Iwakura · Aug 31, 2021

ranunculus said:
This "abortion is murder" hyperbole is hard to take seriously. If you claim that it's child murder, write a disgruntled message on a forum about how evil it is that it happens literally a million times a year with no consequences for the perpetrators, then go drink some coffee and see which game is on, I'm not going to insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.

So, you think that the White Rose's didn't believe that the holocaust was wrong because their power was limited to writing pamphlets - and that they didn't believe even when they got executed by the Nazi state?

Or do you suggest that there should be more abortion clinic bombings? Lol.

pgp_protector · Aug 31, 2021

Lain Iwakura said:
If this occured, then yes, I am upset about it. In the same way I'm upset about the U.S. military participating in the forced sterilization of South America women.

If you KNOW someone is going to be murdered. What obligation do you have to Stop them from murdering someone?

NxNW · Aug 31, 2021

pgp_protector said:
If you KNOW someone is going to be murdered. What obligation do you have to Stop them from murdering someone?

If you know of a murder being planned, you call the cops.

Lain Iwakura · Aug 31, 2021

pgp_protector said:
If you KNOW someone is going to be murdered. What obligation do you have to Stop them from murdering someone?

That obligation is determined by the relative power granted to me in a situation. And when it is in the power granted to me, I do stop murder. I have no power in and of myself. The lust for power is a root of much of the evil in this world.

Ultimately, vengeance is the Lord's and all things will be placed in their proper order. The first shall be last and the last will be first. Revolution and revolutionary acts are the height of wickedness - revolutionary movements, the Jacobins, the Nazis, the Bolsheviks, and the American 'Woke.' You do not act against injustice by usurpation. "Slaves submit to your masters, even as unto Christ." "Masters free your slaves." Each will receive what they sow. The murdered innocents will be the judges of their murderers.

You operate from a fundamentally pagan moral perspective if you believe that it is right to seize to power to take vengeance into your own hands.

Lain Iwakura · Aug 31, 2021

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chilehed · Sep 1, 2021

rambot said:
You're missing the point. The law opens the door to allow YOUR government to allow OTHER PEOPLE to sue your for having guns.

Not at all. Gun ownership is both a moral good and an inalienable human right, while killing unborn babies is both a grave moral evil and a rejection of the very idea of inalienable human rights.

Anyone who thinks that abortion doesn't kill an unborn child is in denial of reality. The same holds for anyone who thinks that there can be a right to abortion.

essentialsaltes · Sep 1, 2021

essentialsaltes said:
The Supreme Court has been asked to block the ban. Justice Alito has asked the state to respond by today.

A law banning abortion from as early as six weeks into pregnancy has come into effect in the US state of Texas.

(The Supreme Court did not intervene. But they still may. And of course, if the law starts getting used, there will certainly be further legal action.)

Arcangl86 · Sep 1, 2021

chilehed said:
Anyone who thinks that abortion doesn't kill an unborn child is in denial of reality. The same holds for anyone who thinks that there can be a right to abortion.

Or they don't believe that a fetus is an unborn child.

Larniavc · Sep 1, 2021

keith99 said:
e from all the rest that makes this law a perfect tool for vendetta. You can go after anyone and saddle them with pretty large costs simply by filing half way across the state.

Sounds like a witch hunt in the making.

America sure does hate women…

chilehed · Sep 1, 2021

Arcangl86 said:
Or they don't believe that a fetus is an unborn child.

Exactly: they deny objective reality.

Belk · Sep 1, 2021

chilehed said:
Not at all. Gun ownership is both a moral good and an inalienable human right, while killing unborn babies is both a grave moral evil and a rejection of the very idea of inalienable human rights.

Anyone who thinks that abortion doesn't kill an unborn child is in denial of reality. The same holds for anyone who thinks that there can be a right to abortion.

That you have a negative opinion of one and a positive opinion of the other does not change the situation. This still opens the door to enforcement of laws in violation of legal rulings.

Belk · Sep 1, 2021

chilehed said:
Exactly: they deny objective reality.

Just like people deny that acorns are ungrown trees.

Arcangl86 · Sep 1, 2021

chilehed said:
Exactly: they deny objective reality.

Except it's not objective reality. It's a matter of theological and philosophical debate on what point a fetus becomes a child. And honestly, there are significant issues with the presumption that life begins at conception. One of the big ones being that 10-20% of women have miscarriages. If life begins at conception, that means God is killing millions of babies before they are even born.

Goonie · Sep 1, 2021

essentialsaltes said:
A law banning abortion from as early as six weeks into pregnancy has come into effect in the US state of Texas.

(The Supreme Court did not intervene. But they still may. And of course, if the law starts getting used, there will certainly be further legal action.)

There refusal to intervene us being seen as evidence that they are about to effectively overturn roe vs Wade. Given the fact that they have agreed to heart a case signicantly limiting abortion and the make up if the court this seems very likely.

rambot · Sep 1, 2021

chilehed said:
Not at all. Gun ownership is both a moral good and an inalienable human right, while killing unborn babies is both a grave moral evil and a rejection of the very idea of inalienable human rights.

Gun ownership is "moral good". That's patently absurd and PURE hubris talking.
An "inalienable human right"? Actually, it appears you DON'T know what an "inalienable human right" is.
That or, you don't think women should have control over what happens to their body and that women don't deserve basic human rights.

But it has to be one of those two.

Anyone who thinks that abortion doesn't kill an unborn child is in denial of reality. The same holds for anyone who thinks that there can be a right to abortion.

You deny women bodily autonomy.

GreatLakes4Ever · Sep 1, 2021

Is there anything stopping me from formally accusing every single person who supports this law in Texas of helping someone get an abortion? I’ll just represent myself in court, the defendants will all have to pay their attorney fees win or lose. I’ll probably lose every case but what do I care. I might luck into $10,000 and I’ll drive every supporter of this law to the poor house.

Nithavela · Sep 1, 2021

GreatLakes4Ever said:
Is there anything stopping me from formally accusing every single person who supports this law in Texas of helping someone get an abortion? I’ll just represent myself in court, the defendants will all have to pay their attorney fees win or lose. I’ll probably lose every case but what do I care. I might luck into $10,000 and I’ll drive every supporter of this law to the poor house.

mindlight · Sep 1, 2021

Goonie said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/07/19/texas-sb8-abortion-lawsuits/

A terrible law.

But hey just think if found constitutional will allow other states to effectively ban gun ownership, make being Christian effectively illegal. Free speech(only if you can afford the court fees). The possibilities of turning the constitution into toilet paper are endless.

Good on Texas! It probably starts a ball rolling that could even reverse Roe v Wade. The Supreme Court might even change the principle of Viability to that of a baby's heartbeat being the boundary between murder and choice. For those of us who believe that life begins at conception, this law does not go far enough.

The idea that individual states can impose local laws only rides so long as the Supreme Court refuses to hear appeals relating to those local situations. It is in the Supreme Court that the overall judgment is made. If they are willing to devolve choice to individuals on this matter then why not states.

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