The days of Noah

"This event is called the Early Rain of the Spirit."


The latter rain is the fruits of the earth and Gods harvest of us..


James 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.



"However, Christ leaves us spiritually blind after the Early Rain (typed by Paul blindness)"



Blindness is by the god of this world, no need for anything else to make anyone blinded when it is already done.



2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.




"He masquerades as an angel of light and causes us to approach Christ by a mixture of "works" and "faith". Since we "can't serve two masters", this sin leads to our spiritual death. We fall away and lose our salvation."


Satan teaches evil works, and no faith is in that, the reward is according to their works.


2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.


We are told, we either serve sin unto death, or obedience unto righteousness, that is the two that we can serve..



Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?



"Because of Satan deceptions, we become "worse than before". Paul calls this worsen spiritual state a Man of Sin"

"We remain in this fallen away condition until we either physically die or Christ comes to us a second time with the Latter Rain of the Spirit."

The man of sin gives all deceivableness in unrighteousness, against the ones who do not receive the love of the truth, they have pleasure in unrighteousness, do not gt delivered but are damned as testified..



2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.



God sends that strong delusion, and nobody can go against god, because they never chose that which delights the Lord..


Isaiah 66:4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.



"Evil spirits represent Satan's false truth"



To understand what it means for our last state to be worse than our first is told again, we receive the knowledge of truth, evil is cast out, and we tread under foot the Son of man, we receive the punishment for this..



Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?



Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

"As a result, we are still represented by Seven-Headed Beast of Revelation."


Not quite all:

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.


"become a Man of Sin who follows the ways of Satan instead of Christ. This is the one and only sin (works) that leads to our spiritual death (1John 5:16). From this death, we cannot be renewed by repentance."


The sin is told, associating uncleanness with Gods Holy Spirit.

The sin not unto death is ignorance, and all sin is unrighteousness, we need to be born again to be without sinning and to be cleaned of all unrighteousness..

Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

1 John 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.



"Paul had no choice in the matter as to whether to accept the Spirit or to reject the Spirit."


Incorrect, woe is for Paul, showing there is a choice and a terrible one..

1 Corinthians 9:16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

Timtofly said:

John does not tell us where Jesus is at the Second Coming.

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Jesus at the Second Coming is from the third heaven where He is now.

The sixth seal event is the Sign of the Son of Man in heaven of Matthew 24:29-30a

The Second Coming of Jesus back down to this earth is the coming in with power and great glory in Matthew 24:30b. And is the event in Revelation 19:11-20:3.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

The parable begins by showing us Ten Virgins. The term “Virgins” symbolizes all believers who have been “Called out from the world” (the church). All ten virgins have received the Early Rain of the Spirit at this point but not the Latter Rain. The number TEN represents the completeness of their carnality. They have all been made “worse than before”.

The wise were ready with oil in their lamps, which they had bought from Christ. It is a better state.

Matthew 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.


"The parable continues with two additional symbols: FIVE Wise Virgins and FIVE Foolish Virgins. The number FIVE is a symbol for how we relate to God. Those two ways are by “works” (Old Covenant of Law) or by “faith” (New Covenant of Grace through Faith)."

Grace cant be turned into lascivousness, hence why it has to be by law and works of righteousness too..

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.



"The FIVE Foolish Virgins represent those who have been Called Out but are not chosen to be saints. They approach Christ by “works”. They will remain under the Law until their physical deaths."


The opposite is witnessed, our works are to keep His word which is not denying His name..

Revelation 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.


"The FIVE Wise Virgins represent those who have been Called Out and Chosen to be saints. They will for a time approach Christ by “works” alongside the Called Out believers but they will eventually change their approach to “Grace through Faith”."


The unprofitable self servers do works for themselves, that is their understanding of grace.

But in the same chapter it is told plainly, have a look..

Matthew 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Matthew 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

"The Second Coming of Jesus back down to this earth is the coming in with power and great glory in Matthew 24:30b. And is the event in Revelation 19:11-20:3."

Nothing says Jesus comes down to this earth but your own self.

The scriptures testify, we are given that DIVINE POWER through the knowledge of Him that has called to us His GLORY, and it is ALL THINGS OF GODLINESS AND LIFE..

2 Peter 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

If posters on this thread want people to read their posts, they should keep them shorter and to the point. Do not post long swatches of scripture, just the Bible reference will do; we all have our own Bibles and this sites click and view for scriptures.

I know that most people simply scroll over long posts, especially if they are full of spelling and grammar errors.
Trying to convince anyone of your beliefs, is a practical impossibility, anyway! For example, I point out how Revelation 20:4-5 says ONLY the martyrs killed during the GT are resurrected when Jesus Returns.
This Bible truth is flatly rejected by those who believe in a general resurrection then. To their discredit.

Keras: "I point out how Revelation 20:4-5 says ONLY the martyrs killed during the GT are resurrected when Jesus Returns."



This is the tribulation now, as told and why no faith on earth and how He comes as a thief in the night:, a pity you pass over the long threads, it was a good idea to read these verses..

John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

2 Corinthians 1:4 Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.
5 For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ.
6 And whether we be afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation, which is effectual in the enduring of the same sufferings which we also suffer: or whether we be comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation.
7 And our hope of you is stedfast, knowing, that as ye are partakers of the sufferings, so shall ye be also of the consolation.

2 Thessalonians 1:4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

Revelation 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

keras said:

If posters on this thread want people to read their posts, they should keep them shorter and to the point. Do not post long swatches of scripture, just the Bible reference will do; we all have our own Bibles and this sites click and view for scriptures.

I know that most people simply scroll over long posts, especially if they are full of spelling and grammar errors.

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Well, here's one thing we can agree on. And it doesn't help when those long posts aren't addressed to anyone in particular.

Trying to convince anyone of your beliefs, is a practical impossibility, anyway!

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Especially when your beliefs are false like many of yours.

For example, I point out how Revelation 20:4-5 says ONLY the martyrs killed during the GT are resurrected when Jesus Returns.
This Bible truth is flatly rejected by those who believe in a general resurrection then. To their discredit.

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You mean the general resurrection that Jesus taught here:

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Does your understanding of Revelation 20:4-5 agree with what Jesus taught here? Absolutely not. He said an hour is coming when ALL of the dead will be raised with those "that have done good" being resurrected unto eternal life (implied). You contradict that by believing that there are 2 hours coming when all dead believers will be raised (one at Christ's coming and one 1,000+ years later).

And then there is the general resurrection of believers that Paul wrote about here:

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Paul indicated that ALL in Christ shall be made alive (resurrected) at His return. He said the order of resurrections was Christ's first and next in order are "they that are Christ's at His coming". That's it. Does your interpretation of Revelation 20:4-5 agree with what Paul wrote here? Absolutely not. He makes no mention of anyone being resurrected at any other time except for when Christ Himself was resurrected and then when those who belong to Him are resurrected at His coming. But, you contradict what he taught by the way you interpret Revelation 20:4-5. To your discredit.

Jeffwhosoever said:

The Holy Spirit is worldwide and could have warned those who believed in God. The bible is silent on that so we cannot know for sure. Also, we don't know how many people lived outside of Europe, Asia and Africa. Most did live near Israel at the time.

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Absolutely. I believe that Holy Spirit has been warning those people. Of course. I mean that’s what He does, still does.

prophecy_uk said:

1 Corinthians 9:16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

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Dear prophecy uk,
You said:
The latter rain is the fruits of the earth and Gods harvest of us..

The Latter Rain is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. As for you sayings it is "God's harvest of us", that is true. We are "born again" upon receiving the Latter Rain and we enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

You said:
Blindness is by the god of this world, no need for anything else to make anyone blinded when it is already done.

Very true. Since we are "of this world" from birth, we remain spiritually blind until Christ comes to us and heals our blindness. He only heals us when He comes with the Latter Rain. After receiving the Early Rain, Christ DOES NOT heal our blindness. We are left in our blind state that we have from birth. As a result, there are nearly 2000 different denominations/sects in the world. They are places were the "blind lead the blind" and truth cannot be found in them. The wolves who took over the church near the end of Paul's ministry are still in control and Satan is still masquerading as a angel of light.

You said:
Satan teaches evil works, and no faith is in that, the reward is according to their works.

Correct again. However, our Old Man who has devolved into a Man of Sin, only follows Satan. Until our Man of Sin is "taken out of the way" at the time of the Latter Rain, we will remain spiritually blind and under Satan's influence:

2Thes 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

Our Man of Sin is destroyed upon us receiving the Latter Rain. At that time, our blindness is healed and the Man of Sin is revealed to us. We then know that the Man of Sin is who we had become under Satan's influence. But because we can now "see" the truth (Christ) from scripture, the brightness of Christ's "appearing" to us destroys the Man of Sin.

2Thes 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

You said:
We are told, we either serve sin unto death, or obedience unto righteousness, that is the two that we can serve..

Yes, we can't serve two masters. But according to the Parable of the Wheat and the Tares, we try to serve both. After the Early Rain, Christ and Satan both have planted their seed within us. One will be taken (Man of Sin), and the other left (child of God). This is the moment of conversion and can only happen when a fallen away believer receives the Latter Rain.

Here is the parable:
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

This parable is one of the "the kingdom of Heaven is like" parables. All parables that start off in this manner are teaching on certain aspects of the pathway to salvation.

Here is a short summary of the meaning of the parable:

Mankind is the field in the world. When Christ comes to us the first time with the Early Rain of the Spirit (what Paul received on the Damascus Road), Christ plants His seed of the Holy Spirit (Spirit of Truth) within us. At that time, the new child of God is in the womb but not yet born. When it grows into wheat, the unborn child will be ready to be born into the kingdom of Heaven (ready to be harvested).

However, at the time Christ plants His seed within us, He leaves us spiritually blind and we cannot understand the truth of God (Paul's blindness, Mark 8:21-25 & Mat 12:43-45). In other words, Christ does not "appear" to us at the time of the Early Rain because we cannot "see" Him. The Word of God remains veiled from our understanding.

Soon after we receive the Early Rain of the Spirit, Satan comes to us at night (our time of spiritual blindness) and plants His seed (spirit of anti-Christ, lies and deceptions) within us, too. When his seed grows into a tare (child of the Devil, Man of Sin), it is ready for judgment (burned).

As a result of both the child of God and the child of the Devil living within us, we mix "faith" (which is what the child of God walks by) with "works" (which is what a child of the Devil walks by). This mixture causes us to "fall away" because we cannot serve two masters (Mat 6:24). This is the sin (man's works) that leads to death. Once we have fallen away from the truth, we cannot be renewed by repentance (Heb 6:4-6). Our only hope for salvation is for Christ to "come again". He does so when the wheat is ready to be harvested. This second coming event is the Latter Rain of the Spirit. It is the same event that the Apostles received in the Upper Room and the same event Paul experienced after being blind and in bed in Damascus for three days. It is also called the Baptism of the Spirit.

At the time the harvest (Latter Rain), Christ heals our spiritual blindness. The Man of Sin is "revealed" to us and judged (burned by fire). He is destroyed by the brightness of Christ's appearing to us. Christ's "appearance" happens because our spiritual blindness has been healed. Then, for the first time, we can understand the truth of God through scripture. After the tares (child of the devil) are burned, all that remains will be the child of God who has just been born. This is the moment of conversion and is when a new child of God is harvested in the Kingdom of Heaven.

You said:
God sends that strong delusion, and nobody can go against god, because they never chose that which delights the Lord..

The delusion is Satan and his deceptions. He masquerades as Christ and we unknowingly follow him and his ways after receiving the Early Rain. This easily happens because we remain spiritually blind. It is a strong delusion.

You said:
Not quite all:

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Correct again. The Seven Headed Beast represents all mankind. One of it's heads (with the deadly wound) specifically represents Early Rain "fallen away" Christians. They did not die after Christ delivered His blow to their Old Man at the time of the Early Rain. Satan's deceptions and their spiritual blindness did not let the brightness of Christ (truth) do its work and slay their Old Man.

Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

Christ’s hidden spiritual point He is making in Matt 26:52 is that all who live (those being “born again”) by the Word of God, must perish (death of the carnal nature) by the Word of God.

The Word of God is truth and truth is what destroys our Man of Sin. But we cannot receive the truth of Christ until He comes to us with the Latter Rain and heals our spiritual blindness. Until that time, we (as a member of the beast) cannot understand God's Word.

Rom 3:10-11 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Only the child of God can understand God and accept His truth. The child of God is born at the time of the Latter Rain and that is when the veil is lifted from Christ.

You said:
Incorrect, woe is for Paul, showing there is a choice and a terrible one..

1 Corinthians 9:16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

Paul is not speaking of his salvation but of the work Christ gave him to do.

Until we have the Holy Spirit at the time of the Early Rain, we cannot make a "choice" to accept Christ and call Him "Lord". Only AFTER receiving the Holy Spirit can we call Jesus "Lord".

1 Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.

And after we are given the Spirit, we can no longer call Jesus "accursed".

When Christ comes to an unbeliever with the Early Rain, they don't even realize that He gave them the Holy Spirit. But the evidence for it is that they call Jesus "Lord".

Mankind is unaware of the work that Christ does in our hearts:

Ecc 3:11 He has made everything fitting in its season; However, He has put obscurity (the world) in their heart so that the man may NOT find out His work, that which God does, that which God does from the beginning to the end.

We think we made a "free will" choice when we decided to accept Him as Lord but that is not true. We accept Him as Lord because of the work Christ did in our heart beforehand.

We are saved because it was God's "will" for us to be saved. God sends Christ to us and Christ does ALL the necessary spiritual work within us to save us. After He does His work within us, the only result is that we call Him "Lord". At that point, we begin following the pathway that leads to salvation and that salvation requires both the Early and Latter Rain.

Mankind has no power to understand or seek God (Rom 3:10-11). In that marred spiritual condition, Christ must do all the work if we are to ever be saved. Trusting Christ to do 100% of the work takes FAITH. When we try to take credit for anything (even our confession of faith) concerning our salvation, Christ will reject us. To Christ, our "works" are filthy rags. We must approach Christ by faith alone and only then can we enter His rest, knowing that He will do all the work necessary for our salvation. And His work is spiritual (within us). He is cleaning the inside of the cup (Mat 23:26)

We must keep all the sayings of the prophecy of the book if we are to be blessed as a First-Fruit of His harvest of mankind. If we are chosen, Christ will make sure we keep all the "sayings".

Joe

Spiritual Jew said:

You mean the general resurrection that Jesus taught here:

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That will happen; AFTER the Millennium. Revelation 20:1-15

Spiritual Jew said:

Paul indicated that ALL in Christ shall be made alive (resurrected) at His return.

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Paul did not say 'all'.
We know from Rev 20:4-5 that it will not be all Christians raised at the Return. Your belief contradicts scripture.

prophecy_uk said:

TimToFly: "The GWT is already here and global. It has been here since creation. It will be fully seen when heaven is rolled back and the veil of spiritual blindness is gone."


Regarding what Gods word, you know the bible, says about the vail:


The vail is taken away when turned to the Lord, the vail does not blind anyone turned to the Lord, the Gentiles,

The vail is His flesh, given to us to draw near with seeing our High Priest.

Now the partition is broken down, all was and is seen, through His flesh..



2 Corinthians 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.


Hebrews 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.


Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:



TimToFly: "Matthew 25:31 is Christ sitting on that throne in the Temple in Jerusalem."



Not quite, the angels gather out of the Kingdom all who work iniquity, then the righteous can shine forth( in the new heavens and earth wherein dwells righteousness)

It is the angels severing the wicked from among the just..



Matthew 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Matthew 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.



ALSO, the angels gather the elect from the earth, and this is Christ sitting on the throne of His glory, this is the sevefing, it is already done ( from Heaven)..



Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:


2 Peter 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.



This is the throne of God and of the Lamb, they see His face ONLY WHEN CHANGED, WHICH ALSO TESTIFIES MEETS THE LORD IN THE AIR THEY ALSO REIGN FOR EVER AND EVER NOT LIMITED TO A THOUSAND YEARS SORRY, AS THE THOUSAND YEARS IS ONE DAY WITH THE LORD AND IT IS THE DSAY OF HIS JUDGEMENT AND SALVATION..

Revelation 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

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There is a 1000 year reign of Christ on earth.

prophecy_uk said:

Keras: "I point out how Revelation 20:4-5 says ONLY the martyrs killed during the GT are resurrected when Jesus Returns."



This is the tribulation now, as told and why no faith on earth and how He comes as a thief in the night:, a pity you pass over the long threads, it was a good idea to read these verses..

John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

2 Corinthians 1:4 Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.
5 For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ.
6 And whether we be afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation, which is effectual in the enduring of the same sufferings which we also suffer: or whether we be comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation.
7 And our hope of you is stedfast, knowing, that as ye are partakers of the sufferings, so shall ye be also of the consolation.

2 Thessalonians 1:4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

Revelation 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

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Part of the point keras is making it is the "great tribulation", not tribulation.

Spiritual Jew said:

Well, here's one thing we can agree on. And it doesn't help when those long posts aren't addressed to anyone in particular.

Especially when your beliefs are false like many of yours.

You mean the general resurrection that Jesus taught here:

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Does your understanding of Revelation 20:4-5 agree with what Jesus taught here? Absolutely not. He said an hour is coming when ALL of the dead will be raised with those "that have done good" being resurrected unto eternal life (implied). You contradict that by believing that there are 2 hours coming when all dead believers will be raised (one at Christ's coming and one 1,000+ years later).

And then there is the general resurrection of believers that Paul wrote about here:

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Paul indicated that ALL in Christ shall be made alive (resurrected) at His return. He said the order of resurrections was Christ's first and next in order are "they that are Christ's at His coming". That's it. Does your interpretation of Revelation 20:4-5 agree with what Paul wrote here? Absolutely not. He makes no mention of anyone being resurrected at any other time except for when Christ Himself was resurrected and then when those who belong to Him are resurrected at His coming. But, you contradict what he taught by the way you interpret Revelation 20:4-5. To your discredit.

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You know that hour was at the Cross, not some future hour. Too literal. There will be some called to damnation while this dead body still breathes physical air. So when Jesus claims the hour is already here, probably should not interpret that away to make a point.

Did you guys know, that God has revealed who are false prophets, by challenging them to this:

Isaiah 41:22 Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall happen: let them shew the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come.
23 Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together.
24 Behold, ye are of nothing, and your work of nought: an abomination is he that chooseth you.

The false prophet always spoke of what was to come, and never had understanding in what was past, or present of the Lord, they speak in the air.

I did quote as reminder for you, this:

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.


So, not only your are disregarding Gods commandments, you are attempting to pervert them too, by constantly in discussion of private interpretation.



It also is told why you engage in this ( only) and is why Revelations was given, for the unstable to wrest against them, as they are hard to understand alright, and it is told why, it is to your own destruction..

2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.



I answered already, there is no thousand year reign, it is your own wishes, the thousand years is the day of salvation/judgement, it is day to reign, and the reign does not then end, otherwise it is silly thoughts..

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

That was Peter telling us because Peter takes part in Revelation when he died, showing who it is that John tried to bow down to, as this was done to Peter already and he even says he takes part..

1 Peter 5:1 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:

2 Peter 1:15 Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance.

Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Acts 10:25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.

Acts 10:26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.


The tribulation man goes through is now, it is not a time known, it is a faithless time, as told, and it is a great tribulation:

2 Timothy 3:This know also, that in the last days PERILOUS TIMES SHALL COME.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,



Many deceivers entered the world, they deny Christ came in the flesh and accomplished all, they are the antichrist, Christ did destroy sin and death, did make us born of God now, all the discussions you have deny that and talk as God says is abomination.


2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

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I answered already, there is no thousand year reign, it is your own wishes, the thousand years is the day of salvation/judgement, it is day to reign, and the reign does not then end, otherwise it is silly thoughts..

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You just made a prophecy. Bad you!

Whats worse, your belief contradicts Revelation 20 and many other Bible verses that detail the Millennium period.

keras said:

That will happen; AFTER the Millennium. Revelation 20:1-15

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I agree. You always tell me this as if I've said it happens BEFORE the Millennium, which I've never said. It's premils (all except for you) who believe it happens before that. I believe it happens when Christ returns which I believe happens AFTER the Millennium (and after Satan's little season).

Paul did not say 'all'.
We know from Rev 20:4-5 that it will not be all Christians raised at the Return. Your belief contradicts scripture.

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Yes, he did. And that's why he doesn't mention anyone else being resurrected except for Christ Himself and those who belong to Christ at his coming. You believe in a resurrection that Paul said nothing about.

Timtofly said:

You know that hour was at the Cross, not some future hour. Too literal. There will be some called to damnation while this dead body still breathes physical air. So when Jesus claims the hour is already here, probably should not interpret that away to make a point.

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Nonsense. Jesus was speaking of the same future resurrection of the dead that Paul talked about. Paul said it would occur at His second coming (1 Thess 4:14-17, 1 Cor 15:22-23). Guess what? That hasn't happened yet.

Spiritual Jew said:

Yes, he did.

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A direct and consciously made addition to scripture. Bad you.

1 Corinthians 15:23 But every man in his own order, Christ the firstfruits, afterward they who are Christs at His coming.
Paul does NOT say; All they who belong to Christ......

The plain fact is that ONLY the martyrs killed during the 42 months of Satanic world rule, will be resurrected by Jesus at His Return. Rev 20:4

keras said:

A direct and consciously made addition to scripture. Bad you.

1 Corinthians 15:23 But every man in his own order, Christ the firstfruits, afterward they who are Christs at His coming.
Paul does NOT say; All they who belong to Christ......

The plain fact is that ONLY the martyrs killed during the 42 months of Satanic world rule, will be resurrected by Jesus at His Return. Rev 20:4

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Why did you only quote verse 23 and not verse 22? Bad you.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Paul gave the order of resurrections. Christ's was first. That is obvious. Even you can figure that out. What is next? He said in Christ shall ALL be made alive (resurrected). When shall ALL in Christ be resurrected? Paul said "at His coming". It couldn't be more clear. Your doctrine contradicts what Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:22-23. Bad you.

Spiritual Jew said:

Why did you only quote verse 23 and not verse 22? Bad you.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Paul gave the order of resurrections. Christ's was first. That is obvious. Even you can figure that out. What is next? He said in Christ shall ALL be made alive (resurrected). When shall ALL in Christ be resurrected? Paul said "at His coming". It couldn't be more clear. Your doctrine contradicts what Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:22-23. Bad you.

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1 Corinthians 15:22 refers to the final GWT Judgment, after the Millennium. As Revelation 20:5 says: the rest of the dead, that is; everyone from Adam to all who will die right up to Jesus Return AND in the Millennium, must await the time when everyone who has ever lived will stand before God in Judgment.
ONLY the trib martyrs will be resurrected, into mortal bodies, at Jesus Return.

This truth is right and logical, as the Millennium isn't the right place for all the Patriarchs, David, the Apostles, the Church Fathers, and every Christian thru the age to inhabit. They all have the Promise of Eternal life and they will get that when the Book of Life is opened; AFTER Jesus has reigned for a thousand years, the proof of how good mortals can live under a benign Kingdom and without Satan around.