Ah, I get it now. I did a little searching on the forums to see what else you might believe on this topic. By looking at another thread, you appear to hold to some form of Calvinism. No offense, but in my experience: Calvinists are notorious for being secretive with what they believe.
You said this, I quote:
“No theres two whole worlds, one in 1 Jn 5:19 thats not Christ Sheep, and 1 Jn 2:2 that is Christ Sheep that dont have sins charged to them. Gods wrath has been satisfied for them.”
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Post #130 - Is Salvation instantenous or is it a process?
This suggests that you believe in John Calvin's Limited Atonement whereby the Lord Jesus only died for the Elect and He did not die for the sins of the whole world so as to provide a Provisional Atonement.
But the following post (below) actually helped me to find out a little more on where you are coming from on your first aspect of salvation that you were not so helpful in sharing in this thread.
You said in another thread, I quote:
“...a person is in Christ before the foundation of the world if theyre Chosen in Christ Eph 1:4. That said they are always saved eternally, but when born in time physically, they are lost , dead in sin like all sinners, but in due time God will save them from that spiritually lost state.”
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Post #112 - Is salvation instantenous or is it a process?
This is the answer I was looking for that you refused to give me. I am glad you provided this explanation on another thread to figure out what you actually believe here. So according to your 1st aspect of salvation: You believe that the Elect saved saints only (and not the whole world), were saved before the foundation of the world before time was created. You believe that time did not exist before the creation of our planet. That the saint is saved in eternity outside of our time, but when the saint was born into time, they are lost and not saved until God saves them (no doubt unconditionally) from their lost state with God showing them about Jesus Christ.
So it appears that the answer to my previous question would be a.... No.
You don't believe the saint was saved in his old life as a Christ rejecting sinner before knowing about salvation in Jesus Christ (Which you most likely believe is some form of Unconditional Election).
But you believe the saint was saved before the foundation of the world before the creation of time.
So in one way, the saint was saved in the past before the foundation of the world and the creation of time, and then they became lost with the creation of time (when they were born into this world), and then they became saved again by God Electing them unconditionally.
But what makes you think timelessness existed (or no concept of time existed) before the foundation of the world? What Scripture verses give you that indication?
How would you define this point of timelessness?
How does it work?
Are you saying the saints pre-existed before the foundation of the world in some form of timeless state or dimension?
How would a timeless dimension even work? There could be no sequence of events of you doing anything. For time is simply the measurement of an action or a sequence of events. Is nothing going to happen when the saints reach this dimension of timelessness? Or do the saints have the capacity to live in many points in time simultaneously in this dimension that is outside of normal time? Can they travel into eternity's past with God? Can they exist far into eternity's future with God or do they exist in all points in this timeline experiencing multiple things all at once?
Granted, I am not expecting any answers from you because you have not been forthcoming in sharing any information in this thread so far. But in my reading of the Bible, this sounds more like fiction and or something made up rather than just reading and believing the Bible plainly. Nowhere does God's Word describe how we pre-existed in some form of timeless dimension with God before the foundation of the world. In fact, the idea that there is a reference point in time about the Bible describing “
before foundation of the world” suggests the concept of time itself. Before the foundation of the world is not timeless but it is a point in time.