Your favorite ID/YEC 'science' paper?

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There are so many to choose from. These poor guys try so hard to make their target audience think that there is actually scientific support of ID/creationism, but... there really isn't. Certainly if we are to take the current crop of IDC 'scientists' output, then there is nothing but hot air and wishful thinking (and, of course, the requisite dishonesty/incompetence).

Looking through some old threads, I was reminded of this post of mine, a great example of creation science:


Do centrioles generate a polar ejection force?

Wells, J.
Abstract

A microtubule-dependent polar ejection force that pushes chromosomes away from spindle poles during prometaphase is observed in animal cells but not in the cells of higher plants. Elongating microtubules and kinesin-like motor molecules have been proposed as possible causes, but neither accounts for all the data. In the hypothesis proposed here a polar ejection force is generated by centrioles, which are found in animals but not in higher plants. Centrioles consist of nine microtubule triplets arranged like the blades of a tiny turbine. Instead of viewing centrioles through the spectacles of molecular reductionism and neo-Darwinism, this hypothesis assumes that they are holistically designed to be turbines. Orthogonally oriented centriolar turbines could generate oscillations in spindle microtubules that resemble the motion produced by a laboratory vortexer. The result would be a microtubule-mediated ejection force tending to move chromosomes away from the spindle axis and the poles. A rise in intracellular calcium at the onset of anaphase could regulate the polar ejection force by shutting down the centriolar turbines, but defective regulation could result in an excessive force that contributes to the chromosomal instability characteristic of most cancer cells.

That is, they look like turbines, therefore they ARE turbines, therefore Jesus.

He never tested his hypothesis. This is because there is no polar ejection force - not the naïve kind that Wells' pretends. The polar ejection force is, as we have known for some time, produced by the shortening of microtubules:

"Motion analysis also allowed us to measure the magnitude of the polar ejection force exerted on chromosome arms during metaphase by individual microtubules."

Not by the spinning like a turbine of the centrioles. Wells should have paid more attention to his instructors at Berkeley than to Father Moon.
 

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The RATE project simply because the ICR admits they have billions of years worth of radioactivity to deal with.

Of course they avoid the obvious conclusion as to why that is the case, and instead are stuck without an explanation for how life on Earth survived massive radiation surges, or even how said surges occurred in the first place.
 
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Your favorite ID/YEC 'science' paper?
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So, nothing of value or merit to contribute, as usual, I see.
You asked for a science paper detailing a series of events that didn't use science (it used miracles).

What do you expect to see written on that paper? an ion trail? plasma cloud? time crystals?

You want me to lie and make something up?

That blank sheet speaks volumes.
 
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So, nothing of value or merit to contribute, as usual, I see.

At least it is quite honest. Especially for someone who doesn't understand even basic science at least AV understands that ID/Creationism is NOT science. That's something.
 
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At least it is quite honest. Especially for someone who doesn't understand even basic science at least AV understands that ID/Creationism is NOT science. That's something.
You guys should know that too.

But why on earth you guys still ask your scientific questions is indicative of ... well ... see my thread on overlapping magisteria.
 
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You guys should know that too.

But why on earth you guys still ask your scientific questions is indicative of ... well ... see my thread on overlapping magisteria.

You don't appear to understand science on any real basis. Sure you occasionally gratuitously slip in some Latin genus and species names to make yourself APPEAR to be scientifically savvy but it's so empty. You are to science what a Potemkin Village is to real villages.
 
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You don't appear to understand science on any real basis. Sure you occasionally gratuitously slip in some Latin genus and species names to make yourself APPEAR to be scientifically savvy but it's so empty. You are to science what a Potemkin Village is to real villages.
Some time ago there was a debate as to who was more qualified to head the USCF (or FIDE).

Should a grandmaster be selected (for his knowledge)? or should a non-player be selected (for his operational skills)?

I can't remember who won out, but I'm thankful that I don't know science that well, as I'm sure I would be tempted to get sidetracked too easily.
 
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I can't remember who won out, but I'm thankful that I don't know science that well, as I'm sure I would be tempted to get sidetracked too easily.

Science requires discipline of thought.
 
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I can't remember who won out, but I'm thankful that I don't know science that well, as I'm sure I would be tempted to get sidetracked too easily.
The Science Community thank you for your lack of service.
 
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If there had been a special creation and all life on earth had been created at once we'd have found evidence of a planet that always had life on it. We'd have found evidence of life radiating out from one location (The mythical Garden of Eden.) but we don't. There are all sorts of things we SHOULD have discovered but we didn't find.

Instead we found evidence of an old planet that slowly changed over time. Life that evolved over time. We found that the stories in the Bible were false.

And if Adam and Eve is false and Noah's Ark is false and the Jews were never held in bondage in Egypt... why, was Daniel ever in that lion's den? Was Moses a prince of Egypt? Did those walls in Jericho come a tumblin' down?

And what about Jesus himself? Was he even white?
 
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You asked for a science paper detailing a series of events that didn't use science (it used miracles).
No, I did not. I asked for creation science papers.

That you cannot tell the difference is part of the problem.
 
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