Reasonable Critiques of Progressive Racial Rhetoric

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It's no secret that the overwhelming majority of conservative criticism of CRT (or anything tangentially related to it that gets lumped under its banner) is vacuous and made in bad faith, with many of its detractors being unable to so much as define CRT, much less levy a substantive critique of it. That said, I came across a few essays recently that I thought were worth reading.

First up is a two-part series from NY Times opinion columnist Ross Douthat:
Opinion | What Progressives Want, and What Conservatives Are Fighting
Opinion | The Excesses of Antiracist Education

And then there's a Harpers column referenced to by Douthat in his first piece:
[Essay] History As End, By Matthew Karp | Harper's Magazine

I think Douthat and some of the other authors he cites give too much credit to the right by framing their backlash as reasonable and only in response to excesses on the left:

What Do Conservatives Fear About Critical Race Theory?

When I spoke with Terry Stoops, a conservative education-policy expert at the John Locke Foundation who had been appointed to a task force on “indoctrination” in public schools by the conservative lieutenant governor of North Carolina, he told me that he wasn’t sure how long the outrage of some grassroots conservatives would ultimately last. But he did think their anger had been misunderstood. “I’ve seen so much discussion about the fact that conservatives are advancing these critical-race-theory bills because they don’t want the truth of slavery or racism to be taught, and I haven’t seen that at all. I think parents want their children to learn about the mistakes of the past in order to create a better future,” Stoops said. “They don’t want their children to be told that they are responsible for the mistakes of their ancestors, and that unless they repent for those mistakes then they will remain complicit.” The debate isn’t about history, exactly. It is about the possibility of blamelessness.

I think a lot of the concessions cited throughout these pieces constitute little more than tactical retreats by conservatives still seeking to prop up a "blameless" nostalgia while recognizing that certain elements of the "good old days" are no longer defensible.

That said, it can be true that both conservatives levy their arguments in bad faith and some progressives push things too far by advocating extreme positions that wouldn't result in the outcomes they supposedly wish to see.

I'm particularly struck by Karp's argument in Harpers that a framework's over-emphasis on historical origins and continuity winds up neutering its ability to explain rapid changes that have already occurred and support new changes in the future:

Whatever birthday it chooses to commemorate, origins-obsessed history faces a debilitating intellectual problem: it cannot explain historical change. A triumphant celebration of 1776 as the basis of American freedom stumbles right out of the gate—it cannot describe how this splendid new republic quickly became the largest slave society in the Western Hemisphere. A history that draws a straight line forward from 1619, meanwhile, cannot explain how that same American slave society was shattered at the peak of its wealth and power—a process of emancipation whose rapidity, violence, and radicalism have been rivaled only by the Haitian Revolution. This approach to the past, as the scholar Steven Hahn has written, risks becoming a “history without history,” deaf to shifts in power both loud and quiet. Thus it offers no way to understand either the fall of Richmond in 1865 or its symbolic echo in 2020, when an antiracist coalition emerged whose cultural and institutional strength reflects undeniable changes in American society. The 1619 Project may help explain the “forces that led to the election of Donald Trump,” as the Times executive editor Dean Baquet described its mission, but it cannot fathom the forces that led to Trump’s defeat—let alone its own Pulitzer Prize.

ETA: The purpose of this thread is to discuss the stuff called out in these pieces, not to justify the simple-minded complaints of "Marxism," which henceforth will be considered off-topic.
 
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Why not start with Derrick Bell, one of CRT's Founders?

Bell and other legal scholars began using the phrase "critical race theory" (CRT) in the 1970s as a takeoff on "critical legal theory", a branch of legal scholarship that challenges the validity of concepts such as rationality, objective truth, and judicial neutrality. Critical legal theory was itself a takeoff on critical theory, a philosophical framework with roots in Marxist thought.

"Racism lies at the center, not the periphery; in the permanent, not in the fleeting."[36]

"The traditions of racial subordination are deeper than the legal sanctions."[37]

"Progress in American race relations is largely a mirage, obscuring the fact that whites continue, consciously or unconsciously to do all in their power to ensure their dominion and maintain control."[38]

"Viewing Racism as an amalgam of guilt, responsibility and power- all of which are generally known but never acknowledged- may explain why educational programs [about race] are destined to fail."[39]

Derrick Bell - Wikipedia

I updated the OP - complaints like this that amount to little more than "blah blah Marxism blah blah" are off-topic.
 
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Oh, Douthat.

I read the first column and it was surprisingly coherent and comprehensible, and then it just abruptly ended. (Readers of the NYTimes would have waited a full week for part 2 to come out.) It seemed like his point could have been concluded in about 50% more text. If he'd kept with the style of existing text, it could have been a comprehensible exposition of the point apparently laid out in the opening.

But, then he had to "Douthat" all over the place. The second part (after wasting two paragraphs to recap last week's episode) was a confused meandering through specific examples, people, and analogies with many cul-de-sacs encountered. (Alas, this is his style, and why I usually give about 1/2 to 2/3 the way through one of his pieces.)

His ultimate point it seems (and I suspect the purpose of the essay itself) is to equate the "anti-racists/CRT" people as a blight on the image of regular liberals (at least the NY society ones) of the same sort the "populist right/talk radio" are on conservative intellectuals (like him of course) which presumably causes him problems at their UES cocktail parties.

[I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that if it had only been a 1-part column, it would have just added a cut-down and more incoherent version of the last 2/3 second column to the ending.]
 
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I don't think the majority of criticism of CRT is made in bad faith.

Most people who criticize it tend to associate CRT with new racist concepts like "white fragility". CRT gets associated with racist views, so people who are against racism criticize CRT. If there is actually no association between CRT and that kind of racist ideology, then criticizing CRT when you actually want to criticize racism is a mistake, not acting in bad faith.

Personally, I think for that reason people shouldn't really criticize CRT, but rather these new racist concepts directly.
 
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I don't think the majority of criticism of CRT is made in bad faith.

Most people who criticize it tend to associate CRT with new racist concepts like "white fragility". CRT gets associated with racist views, so people who are against racism criticize CRT. If there is actually no association between CRT and that kind of racist ideology, then criticizing CRT when you actually want to criticize racism is a mistake, not acting in bad faith.

Personally, I think for that reason people shouldn't really criticize CRT, but rather these new racist concepts directly.

I think it's both. Yes, there are mistakes that happen - often borne out of an astonishing degree of ignorance. But especially for those in leadership positions (e.g. politicians, pundits, pastors of large churches/denominations), I don't think gross ignorance is a legitimate excuse for poor arguments. When it's your job to understand the things about which you're talking, then gross ignorance is more than just ignorance - it's a dereliction of duty. When the leaders of the southern baptist seminaries denounce intersectionality as being "incompatible with the Baptist Faith & Message" despite the fact that Paul exploited intersectionality to his advantage in Acts 22 when he used his Roman citizenship to keep himself from being flogged, that's not a ignorant argument made in good faith. When political pundits do little more than toss around associations with Marxism, that's not a poor argument made in good faith. When Christian critics claim that CRT's identification of racial identities is contrary to the gospel message of unification under Christ, despite the fact that they'll happily employ all manner of other identities on a daily basis, that's not an argument made in good faith.
 
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It's no secret that the overwhelming majority of conservative criticism of CRT (or anything tangentially related to it that gets lumped under its banner) is vacuous and made in bad faith, with many of its detractors being unable to so much as define CRT, much less levy a substantive critique of it. That said, I came across a few essays recently that I thought were worth reading.

First up is a two-part series from NY Times opinion columnist Ross Douthat:
Opinion | What Progressives Want, and What Conservatives Are Fighting
Opinion | The Excesses of Antiracist Education

And then there's a Harpers column referenced to by Douthat in his first piece:
[Essay] History As End, By Matthew Karp | Harper's Magazine

I think Douthat and some of the other authors he cites give too much credit to the right by framing their backlash as reasonable and only in response to excesses on the left:



I think a lot of the concessions cited throughout these pieces constitute little more than tactical retreats by conservatives still seeking to prop up a "blameless" nostalgia while recognizing that certain elements of the "good old days" are no longer defensible.

That said, it can be true that both conservatives levy their arguments in bad faith and some progressives push things too far by advocating extreme positions that wouldn't result in the outcomes they supposedly wish to see.

I'm particularly struck by Karp's argument in Harpers that a framework's over-emphasis on historical origins and continuity winds up neutering its ability to explain rapid changes that have already occurred and support new changes in the future:



ETA: The purpose of this thread is to discuss the stuff called out in these pieces, not to justify the simple-minded complaints of "Marxism," which henceforth will be considered off-topic.

Those are all good points. Sure, the conservatives are over-reacting to the bogieman becaues they need a wedge issue to be a fig leaf over their vaccuous and destructive social policies, but the 1619 Project is an unhelpful wrench thrown into race relations and the teaching of history. And American society has been far more dynamic than simple a single thread running back to a racist past. Part of being American, after all, is the capacity to imagine new possibilities for the world and attempt to wipe the slate clean. Not all of American history can be reduced to 17th century slaveowners looking for money in cash crops. It was also people looking to escape the Old World strictures on what was possible for human life.
 
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