To stop sinning.

Sidon said:

Its your idea of suffering as the way God requires us to become sinless.
There is the foolishness.
That is your theology.

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So what is your understanding of this statement by Paul in dealing with a member
of the congregation who is in sin.
1 Corinthians 5:
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit,
with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the
day of the Lord Jesus.

Sidon said:

You can edit it, but that wont help you.

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Nothing has been edited.

Sidon said:

You should stay with the original, that i told you that you can't explain.

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1 Peter 4:1 Therefore, since Christ suffered for us in the flesh,
arm yourselves also with the same mind, for he who has suffered
in the flesh has ceased from sin.

Why do you think that "arm yourselves with the same mind" is so difficult.
Maybe you are overthinking it? This is utterly simple.
Matthew 26:39 He went a little farther and fell on His face, and prayed, saying,
O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless,
not as I will, but as You will.”

Mind of Christ, "not mine, but your Will be done".
Same mind in a believer.
Luke 11:2 So He said to them, When you pray, say: Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come. Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.
We arm ourselves with the same mind, when we pray as He taught us to pray.

Sidon said:

I only said that you can't explain what that means and you have not have not even tried., as i said.

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I just did. You have a better answer that you would like to share? Don't sit there and say
I have not even tried.

Minister Monardo said:

Why do you think that "arm yourselves with the same mind" is so difficult.
Maybe you are overthinking it? This is utterly simple.
Matthew 26:39 He went a little farther and fell on His face, and prayed, saying,
O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless,
not as I will, but as You will.”

Mind of Christ, "not mine, but your Will be done".
Same mind in a believer.
Luke 11:2 So He said to them, When you pray, say: Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come. Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.
We arm ourselves with the same mind, when we pray as He taught us to pray.

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Sidon said:

The mind of Christ is the renewed mind that is describing this...>"As many as be perfected".
That is the mind of a believer who has stopped all "performance to be accepted by God", carnal mentality.
To exist in that mind of real faith, is how you stop sinning, and find this...>"Christ always GIVES ME the VICTORY".

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As the Lord taught "not our will, but our Father's Will.
Matthew 12:50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is
My brother and sister and mother.

Sidon said:

If we are born again on this earth, then we will stand before The Almighty, with Him as our Father.
This is because Christ is already in the born again.
We are already become "the Temple OF THE Holy SPIRIT".
The born again, are not waiting to be judged, as Christ has already been Judged on the Cross for all the born again, 2000 yrs ago.

If a person is not born again, then this person, is already damned, already going to hell, and is just waiting to die to get there.
See, damnation, does not start after you die....It is in fact already on you until this judgment is removed by the Grace of God, that is the blood of Jesus.
Make no mistake about that.
So, all unbelievers are already damned, before they die. .... they are this... John 36:3

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I can agree that we all begin separated/damned (Rom 3:23).

Everyone post resurrection will be drawn/given a chance to be reconciled (Jn 12:32)

2 Judgment seats

1) Judgment seat of Christ (2 Cor 5:10) = Believers Only

2) White Throne Judgment (Rev 20:11) = Those that rejected Christ until at/life's end/death

White Throne Judgment: Rev 20:11-13 = non-believers only.

The people at the White Throne Judgment have rejected Christ's, redemptive sin atonement. Having no cover/cloak for sin (Jn 15:22) they are judged without mercy according to every jot & tittle of the Law (Deut 28:14-60).

Everything they've ever done or said, has been "RECORDED". Every idle word ever spoken, is judged. End result, eternal separation from Creator God.

A day of resurrection/reckoning awaits every person that ever lives. The question becomes; where will you spend eternity. With/in the presents of God our Creator. Or separated from, the presents of God.

FIRSTFRUITS:
Lev 23:
9 the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
(MY NOTE: This sheaf, was a bundle of 1st blossoms of the 1st grains gathered. The priest (starting at the waist) is to lift-up (over his head) & wave the sheaf before God. This action acknowledged & dedicated the coming harvest to the LORD. This wave/offering before/onto the LORD, sanctified the whole field of harvest to come. Christ was RAISED-UP the firstfruit of resurrection. Setting the stage for the entire human race to be resurrected.

11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.
(NOTE: On the 1st day of the week. The Priest was to wave/lift-up the sheaf/omer before the LORD. This waving of the sheaf/omer began a 50 day count down the the Feast of Pentecost. At the 1st Pentecost the Lord gave Moses the 10 commandments & the Nation of Israel was born. At the 1st post resurrection Pentecost the Lord gave believers His indwelling Holy Spirit & the New Covenant Christian Church was born)

12 And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the LORD.
(NOTE: Also on the 1st day of the week a blemish free lamb was to be offered/burnt unto the LORD (olah)

13 And the meat offering thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the LORD for a sweet savior: and the drink offering thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin (2qts).
(NOTE: Same day, a meat offering: fine flour mingled with oil = Unleavened Bread & a drink offering of Wine. The exact symbols Jesus taught us to remember His Sacrifice. Jesus our Bread of Life (Jn 6:48, 35, 51) & our faith in His shed blood that forgives/pardons our sins symbolized by the wine (Matt 26:28, Rom 3:25).

The sheaf/omer wave offering of the barley harvest begins a 50 day count down to Pentecost. Known as "counting of the omer" (Lev 23:15-17) connecting the 2 HARVEST feasts. An omer was a dry measure that amounted to a little over a gallon 1/2

A sheaf, of 1st blossoms of the 1st grains gathered. The priest (starting at the waist) is to lifted-up (over his head) & wave the sheaf before God. This action acknowledged & dedicated the coming harvest to the LORD. This wave/offering before/onto the LORD, sanctified the whole field of harvest to come.

Christ was RAISED-UP the firstfruit of resurrection. Setting the stage for the entire human race to be resurrected.

Sidon said:

Yes, if you say you have not sinned, ....

Have you said that?
I haven't.

I have sinned....but, i was redeemed from ALL my SIN, when Christ BECAME my SIN, and DIED.

See that?
That is all my SIN, gone.
THat is why i am a NEW CREATION.

Let me show you.

God is Holy. Heaven is sinless.
No sin found in Heaven.
Satan tried that, and Jesus said He "beheld Satan FALL as lightning"..
That is the devil being "cast out", because "iniquity" was found in Him.

Now, see that? No sin there.

Then you read this.. The born again, are "seated IN Heavenly Places, In Christ".
You read that the born again are "In Christ"
You read that the born again are " ONE WITH GOD>...In Christ".

So, where is Christ? Where is God?

And the born again are with them.
So, if the born again had sin, or were sinners, they would not be found there...
Yet, all the born again ARE found there.

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This works if you take the concept of time out of the equation and see everything as NOW. Which is easy to do. Time is a flawed concept anyway - it doesn't even run consistent in our home universe, let alone in His kingdom.

For all we know we could already be there; we might just be plugged into a simulation of our previous lives and are watching ourselves back right now. I've had some experiences in my own life that have removed me from my sense of self. So it's possible.

But if time stays IN the equation then I wouldn't like to get too overconfident about my own personal journey. I could get clobbered round the head tomorrow, forget I even have a faith, and be absolutely none the wiser.

Personally, I believe that His gift is an evergreen offer - it has to be SURELY for it to work. That's why He is my God of choice, and why I feel the right and ONLY God. Because unlike some other religions, perfection isn't required. It's all love and forgiveness based. It teaches you lessons and allows you to be creative while moving forward progressively in a way that I don't feel is possible without Him.

Sidon said:

You stated that if you become "not my will but yours"......that this offer of "presenting your body a living sacrifice", this SELF EFFORT.......is your theology that you say produces the end of confessing and sinning.
Yet, you are still confessing and sinning?
So, why isn't your theology working for you?

Its not a good idea to now run in here and say you dont sin and confess.

And that is why im trying to help you see that what you are trying to believe by misunderstanding some NT verses, is the problem.

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1 John 5:
16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask,
and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin
to death. I do not say that he should pray about that.
17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.
This sounds a little less drastic then "delivering to Satan".
There is no sin to confess if you are corrected by the Holy Spirit and
keep your conscience clean before God. You don't know anything to support
such baseless accusations about my theology.

Sidon said:

Yet, you are still confessing and sinning?
So, why isn't your theology working for you?

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Sidon said:

Its not a good idea to now run in here and say you dont sin and confess.

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You really have no clue, do you? Prove it!

Sidon said:

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Let me show you how you stop sinning.

You will begin to receive the POWER to stop, just as soon as you start to believe that the blood of Jesus, continues to keep you as "the righteousness of God", even while you are being carnal.

See, God is always kept at peace with the Born again, based on the blood of God, shed, that always maintains ETERNAL salvation.

Salvation, which is Eternal LIFE< is not temporary.
One it is applied to you as the Blood Atonement, the it keeps you as righteous as God's Blood has redeemed you to be........for as long as God lives.

So, when a born again person, gets the revelation that they are "made righteous", and this does not change based on how they behave, then at that point, in that very instant, they have begun to SEE "the Gift of Righteousness", which is "the GIFT of Salvation" = that is the "gift of God".

They begin to SEE that they were born again to REMAIN AS..."the righteousness of GOD.....in Christ"

And once they see it,.. one you see it.... then you find your REST from trying to be good to be accepted by God, as this has now become...REAL FAITH =. "i see that i am always KEPT righteous" by God's blood.

When a born again person SEES this revelation, then real faith has begun, and they are no longer this....
"apart from me you can do nothing", which is why they sin and confess.
See, a person is sinning and confessing because they dont UNDERSTAND OR SEE That God's Blood always keeps them in perfect relationship with God....as a "SON OF GOD"....born again.

Now, when a believer SEES this TRUTH..... then this knowledge that is their VICTORY .... has become their TRUTH, and the "Knowledge of the TRUTH shall set you free". = "Christ ALWAYS gives me the VICTORY".

That is REAL FAITH.

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To stop sinning.

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What is sin?

Sidon said:

You are teaching a lie.
Do not do that, and do not believe that lie.

Listen carefully.
Christ died on EARTH.
A person will come to Him by faith, while they are on EARTH, or they will never be given another chance.

Listen.

God requires you to have FAITH, in What you can't SEE.
Notice that you can't see Jesus on the Cross? Yet, you are to believe.
This is FAITH......
God only accepts faith..

So, if you die an unbeliever..... then you will know that "all that Christian stuff you heard all your life" is real, as you'll be in HELL realizing it.
What does that mean? It means that when you are in Hell, you dont have to have faith, as you will SEE IT, as you are IN IT.

So, that is not FAITH.
God accepts FAITH.
You do that here, on earth, where Christ died for you, and you have to have faith, in what you can't see.

There is NO 2nd chance in hell, and there is no 2nd Chance at the Great White Throne.
If you die as an unbeliever, its OVER.
You will be judged as a Christ Rejector, because you died as a Christ rejector.
Final answer.

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I gave scripture I believe support 2 judgment seats. My post makes no claim of a 2nd chance. In fact it claims the opposite. It's a public discussion forum, I shared an opinion.

I posted this in #10 this thread:

In this thread I've read a variety views/opinion's & everyone is entitled to their belief.

In the end we will stand alone before of God & Savior & answer for ourselves only. I'll share a few of my own here as well. [end quote]

Sidon,
Your entitled to say or think whatever you like about me or any of my beliefs. I didn't/haven't tried to recruit or indoctrinate anyone to do anything. People are free to believe whatever they choose. May we all choose wisely. May His grace be multiplied to you & yours, JJ