The First Commandment

Nihilist Virus · Jun 4, 2021

The first commandment is immoral

From an American perspective, the first commandment violates the first ammendment. The first commandment is totalitarian and unforgivably infringes on the freedom of speech and religion.

The first commandment exists because... why?

As a Christian I'd been told that sports or video games or this or that is "my god" because I invested too much time into such things compared to how much time I invested into God. But neither I nor any Christian I knew would bow down before these things. Neither I nor any Christian I knew would bow down and worship a statue of the Buddha. Not as a joke, not for $1000. Christians simply do not and never will put another god before the Christian God because they don't believe any such god exists. This makes the first commandment irrelevant to us. In desperation to argue that the first commandment is relevant today, preachers accuse us of violating it when we are simply devoting time to something.

However, at the time of writing, the first commandment was relevant. That's why it was written down, of course. So not only did the ancient Jews believe in other gods, but they often worshipped these other gods more than the Jewish God. The Bible doesn't even try to hide this. We see them worshipping other gods all the time. Why? If there's only one God that actually exists and he's performing miracles all the time, why on earth would you worship an inanimate statue? Why is it that a modern Christian who has never once experienced anything supernatural would refuse to bow down and worship another god, and yet these ancient people who saw miraculous manifestations of God wandered astray to worship other gods all the time? I couldn't possibly imagine anything that makes less sense than this.

dóxatotheó · Jun 4, 2021

Nihilist Virus said:
The first commandment is immoral

You obviously fail at just stating this premise.

Nihilist Virus said:
From an American perspective, the first commandment violates the first ammendment.

Are you comparing a democracy to a singular Classical theist God laws toward HIS PEOPLE?

Nihilist Virus said:
he first commandment is totalitarian and unforgivably infringes on the freedom of speech and religion.

You do know if you say this goes against there views of freedom of religion than your also going against the person who believes its freedom of religion. Secondly, why would a divine being let you worship other gods and statues, if hes the only real God are you logical because thats an illogical premise you just made.

Nihilist Virus said:
The first commandment is totalitarian

God isn't in a system of rule he's been ruling all before man yk and these laws been always existent before the fall of man so you can't use totalitarian as an argument because God isn't in a system of government.

Nihilist Virus said:
As a Christian I'd been told that sports or video games or this or that is "my god" because I invested too much time into such things compared to how much time I invested into God.

This view has no biblical basis, it's just a conservative "Christian" using God to enforce authority over you.

Nihilist Virus said:
But neither I nor any Christian I knew would bow down before these things. Neither I nor any Christian I knew would bow down and worship a statue of the Buddha. Not as a joke, not for $1000. Christians simply do not and never will put another god before the Christian God because they don't believe any such god exists.

Ok as they should....

Nihilist Virus said:
This makes the first commandment irrelevant to us.

Wrong how in anyway do you come to this conclusion.

Nihilist Virus said:
In desperation to argue that the first commandment is relevant today, preachers accuse us of violating it when we are simply devoting time to something.

Hmmmmm sources for this no Orthodox bishop or patriarch states this? Im assuming your speaking of the Protestant conservatives i presume.

Nihilist Virus said:
However, at the time of writing, the first commandment was relevant. That's why it was written down, of course.

No it was written so Gods people wouldn't follow the same way as the Gentiles do. Which is still happening today.

Nihilist Virus said:
So not only did the ancient Jews believe in other gods, but they often worshiped these other gods more than the Jewish God.

The Israelites did such things correct and thats why Moses was sent the law so that here and after Gods people wouldn't do such things again.

Nihilist Virus said:
he Bible doesn't even try to hide this. We see them worshipping other gods all the time. Why? If there's only one God that actually exists and he's performing miracles all the time, why on earth would you worship an inanimate statue?

Humans foolishness and sinful nature is the reason they do such things knowing YHWH existed.

Nihilist Virus said:
Why is it that a modern Christian who has never once experienced anything supernatural would refuse to bow down and worship another god,

This is exactly why the Ten Commandments was sent in the first place. God does not have to do anything he can be completely nonexistent to us be he choose not too and actually there are many supernatural events that happened I dont know where you got that from.

Nihilist Virus said:
and yet these ancient people who saw miraculous manifestations of God wandered astray to worship other gods all the time? I couldn't possibly imagine anything that makes less sense than this.

The foolishness of humans would surprise you they had preeminent intellect, as we know from the human brain evolving so we understand that the Israelites were actually quite foolish compared to us of today because we know and understand.

ChetSinger · Jun 5, 2021

Nihilist Virus said:
...However, at the time of writing, the first commandment was relevant. That's why it was written down, of course. So not only did the ancient Jews believe in other gods, but they often worshipped these other gods more than the Jewish God. The Bible doesn't even try to hide this. We see them worshipping other gods all the time. Why? If there's only one God that actually exists and he's performing miracles all the time, why on earth would you worship an inanimate statue? Why is it that a modern Christian who has never once experienced anything supernatural would refuse to bow down and worship another god, and yet these ancient people who saw miraculous manifestations of God wandered astray to worship other gods all the time? I couldn't possibly imagine anything that makes less sense than this.

I see multiple misconceptions in this thread.

First, since God is our creator he is higher than any man-made document or law.

Second, regarding the what the Hebrew scriptures call "the gods of the nations", I suggest you acquaint yourself with the Divine Council at The Divine Council.com by Dr. Michael Heiser, a scholar of Hebrew.

Nihilist Virus · Jun 5, 2021

ChetSinger said:
I see multiple misconceptions in this thread.

First, since God is our creator he is higher than any man-made document or law.

Second, regarding the what the Hebrew scriptures call "the gods of the nations", I suggest you acquaint yourself with the Divine Council at The Divine Council.com by Dr. Michael Heiser, a scholar of Hebrew.

Your first point seems to be suggesting that might makes right. God's might is currently estimated at zero, since he is not so much as indicating that he even exists. Therefore, by your own logic, American law is "higher."

The link in your second statement is irrelevant to the issue.

ChetSinger · Jun 5, 2021

Nihilist Virus said:
Your first point seems to be suggesting that might makes right. God's might is currently estimated at zero, since he is not so much as indicating that he even exists. Therefore, by your own logic, American law is "higher."

Authority, not might. His laws supersede ours because as our creator he has authority over us.

Nihilist Virus said:
The link in your second statement is irrelevant to the issue.

Correcting a misconception of yours is irrelevant? OK.

Nihilist Virus · Jun 6, 2021

ChetSinger said:
Authority, not might. His laws supersede ours because as our creator he has authority over us.

Why?

Correcting a misconception of yours is irrelevant? OK.

I think you're confused on what the issue is and what you cited.

Nihilist Virus · Jun 6, 2021

dóxatotheó said:
You obviously fail at just stating this premise.

That is a title, not a premise. A premise is a fact that is beyond dispute. I was organizing my thread under subtitles.

Are you comparing a democracy to a singular Classical theist God laws toward HIS PEOPLE?

Yeah.

You do know if you say this goes against there views of freedom of religion than your also going against the person who believes its freedom of religion.

The first commandment cannot be a commandment if we are to have the first amendment. Laws and commandments in the Bible are followed voluntarily by its adherents, which means they aren't really laws and commandments.

Secondly, why would a divine being let you worship other gods and statues, if hes the only real God are you logical because thats an illogical premise you just made.

If you were a god, would you punish people for worshipping another god?

God isn't in a system of rule he's been ruling all before man yk and these laws been always existent before the fall of man so you can't use totalitarian as an argument because God isn't in a system of government.

Again, if Christians follow these laws and commandments voluntarily, then they aren't laws and commandments. If dominionist Christians had their way, Biblical laws and commandments would not be optional - and that is totalitarianism.

This view has no biblical basis, it's just a conservative "Christian" using God to enforce authority over you.

Where were you when I was being brainwashed as a youth? Why are Christians not keeping their house in order and speaking out against other Christians who do wrong?

Ok as they should....

Wrong how in anyway do you come to this conclusion.

I already stated this in the thread. Also, your complete disregard for writing in proper English is becoming tiresome and fatiguing to the reader.

Hmmmmm sources for this no Orthodox bishop or patriarch states this? Im assuming your speaking of the Protestant conservatives i presume.

Yes, protestant conservatives. I presume you don't need a source if that's what I'm referring to?

No it was written so Gods people wouldn't follow the same way as the Gentiles do. Which is still happening today.

Oh, how did that work out?

The Israelites did such things correct and thats why Moses was sent the law so that here and after Gods people wouldn't do such things again.

Yes... and again, how did that work out?

Humans foolishness and sinful nature is the reason they do such things knowing YHWH existed.

Wow, what a lazy answer. Gosh, that sentence reeks of apathy. Could you put in a little more effort and give an answer that is at least 1% believable?

This is exactly why the Ten Commandments was sent in the first place. God does not have to do anything he can be completely nonexistent to us be he choose not too and actually there are many supernatural events that happened I dont know where you got that from.

The foolishness of humans would surprise you they had preeminent intellect, as we know from the human brain evolving so we understand that the Israelites were actually quite foolish compared to us of today because we know and understand.

Are you suggesting our brains evolved significantly in the last couple thousand years?

dóxatotheó · Jun 6, 2021

Nihilist Virus said:
That is a title, not a premise. A premise is a fact that is beyond dispute.

What does premise mean?
1 : a statement or idea taken to be true and on which an argument or reasoning may be based.

Nihilist Virus said:
Yeah.

Defend your position because if there is a democracy in the spiritual realm than there would need to be a time God was elected and there would be a time where God came to existence we don't hold to any of those superstitions.

Nihilist Virus said:
The first commandment cannot be a commandment if we are to have the first amendment

Like i said its towards GODS PEOPLE not all people it was sent so the Israelites would stay following him and not the path of the Gentiles.

Nihilist Virus said:
Laws and commandments in the Bible are followed voluntarily by its adherents, which means they aren't really laws and commandments.

Theres punishments for breaking the laws but the difference is its not here that you be punished, also if laws are forced on the creation than God isn't omnibenevolent.

Nihilist Virus said:
If you were a god, would you punish people for worshipping another god?

Yes!!! If you know I exist and is apart of my covenant of course I would punish you. But this isn't a me problem though. We addressing a different topic as of now but if I'm the 4 omnis than yes I would punish you.

Nihilist Virus said:
Again, if Christians follow these laws and commandments voluntarily, then they aren't laws and commandments.

Again, If they purposely sin they aren't Christian and Christians following laws isn't the Gospel and following the Commandments are apart of it. Christians are told by Jesus to keep his Commandments so yeah seems the case really.

Nihilist Virus said:
If dominionist Christians had their way, Biblical laws and commandments would not be optional - and that is totalitarianism.

Ok.... Nobody supports that view?

Nihilist Virus said:
Where were you when I was being brainwashed as a youth?

Appeal to Emotion

Nihilist Virus said:
Why are Christians not keeping their house in order and speaking out against other Christians who do wrong?

Again substantiate this premise. What real Christian doesn't do that what you define as Christian isn't living the Good News of Christ.

Nihilist Virus said:
I already stated this in the thread. Also, your complete disregard for writing in proper English is becoming tiresome and fatiguing to the reader.

That sentence has 0 grammatical problems its other your illiterate or your trying to do an ad hom attack i would accept either. I already stated in the before thread that conclusion isn't sustainable. You make alot of premises but not substantiated with proof, thats the problem your arguments aren't holding any weight because they are all words not substantiated with sources.

Nihilist Virus said:
Yes, protestant conservatives. I presume you don't need a source if that's what I'm referring to?

If it's Protestant "Christians" than why start with that as an argument they aren't the biggest denomination in the world and they are many sects in Protestantism you should know that this argument falls short.
First, you gotta bring sources for that specific sect.
Secondly, you gotta make a argument for that sect as an accepted faith in the vast majority of people in the Protestant faith.

Nihilist Virus said:
Yes, protestant conservatives. I presume you don't need a source if that's what I'm referring to?

Than this argument also falls because no Christians see them as Christians, Protestant conservatives aren't Christians here are examples of these "Christians".
What Trump Taught America About the Bible

Nihilist Virus said:
Oh, how did that work out?

Quite well, provide sources that Orthodoxs or Catholics don't follow the Commandments of God. The reason i say these two only because you would provide sources, of Protestant sects such as evangelicalism who disregard the Commandments of God. So once you provide those sources your argument would have weight.

Nihilist Virus said:
Yes... and again, how did that work out?

The Timeframe of the bible they fell in sin constantly because of they Sinful nature of course is why God written the laws in our hearts and gave us a mediator so we wouldn't be condemned for our sins and if we fall in sin. 1 Timothy 2:1-4 and Jeremiah 31 and James 2

Nihilist Virus said:
Wow, what a lazy answer. Gosh, that sentence reeks of apathy. Could you put in a little more effort and give an answer that is at least 1% believable?

IDC if you don't believe it, gotta provide sources if the argument is a failed response. It's in the bible so it's already a fact, if you don't have a response you might as well give up on even that premise.

Nihilist Virus said:
Are you suggesting our brains evolved significantly in the last couple thousand years?

Not a significant increase such as being as stupid as a dog but rather as foolish as a man with a 65 IQ. I believe they wasn't as intellectually knowledgeable as us of today, so I believe that effected them significantly if you have sources that disproves me I will accept them.
The evolution of modern human brain shape

ChetSinger · Jun 6, 2021

Nihilist Virus said:
Why?

If you create something, ask yourself "why not?".

Nihilist Virus said:
I think you're confused on what the issue is and what you cited.

OK, here's a shorter one for you: The Bible’s Many Gods | Gerald McDermott

Idolatry was a genuine sin because the gods of the nations were genuine beings. They're still here and genuine idolatry still exists. The first commandment was a relevant one then, and still is now.

mindlight · Jun 6, 2021

Nihilist Virus said:
The first commandment is immoral

From an American perspective, the first commandment violates the first amendment. The first commandment is totalitarian and unforgivably infringes on the freedom of speech and religion.

God gave us free will which makes sense of why the command to put him first and to have no other Gods before Him makes sense. If there was no free will then there would be no requirement for obedience would there?

I do not see any contradiction between the first amendment and the First Commandment because they do different things. The first establishes God's command on your life and the second says that the state has no right to get in the way of your choices on this matter.

The first commandment exists because... why?

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As a Christian I'd been told that sports or video games or this or that is "my god" because I invested too much time into such things compared to how much time I invested into God. But neither I nor any Christian I knew would bow down before these things. Neither I nor any Christian I knew would bow down and worship a statue of the Buddha. Not as a joke, not for $1000. Christians simply do not and never will put another god before the Christian God because they don't believe any such god exists. This makes the first commandment irrelevant to us. In desperation to argue that the first commandment is relevant today, preachers accuse us of violating it when we are simply devoting time to something.

However, at the time of writing, the first commandment was relevant. That's why it was written down, of course. So not only did the ancient Jews believe in other gods, but they often worshipped these other gods more than the Jewish God. The Bible doesn't even try to hide this. We see them worshipping other gods all the time. Why? If there's only one God that actually exists and he's performing miracles all the time, why on earth would you worship an inanimate statue? Why is it that a modern Christian who has never once experienced anything supernatural would refuse to bow down and worship another god, and yet these ancient people who saw miraculous manifestations of God wandered astray to worship other gods all the time? I couldn't possibly imagine anything that makes less sense than this.

Actually, idolatry is as common among Christians as it is among atheists. That we no longer sacrifice our children to Molech in the fire sounds good until you consider the number of abortions for instance.

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