Date of Triumphal Entry

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My apologies to Christian Gedge.
I have argued for quite some time that the date of Jesus Baptism was in 30 AD, thereby making the Crucifixion 33 AD,
I was wrong; the date of Jesus' Baptism and His birth, are not pivotal points of timing.

The date of 30 AD is the year Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey and was acclaimed as King of Israel. Thus the Crucifixion was also 30 AD.

My revised timeline:
Total elapsed years to the first exile of Judah = 3386.5

586 BC + 613.5 years + 2 comes to 29.5/30 AD, the date of Jesus’ acknowledgement as King of Israel and then His subsequent death.
Plus 2 to include the total number of elapsed years, as our calendar system counts years from their commencement.

3386.5 + 613.5 = 4000 years from Adam to Jesus.

January 2021 AD - 29.5/30 AD = 1991.5 years since Jesus made His triumphal entry into Jerusalem, then was Crucified, rose again 3 days later and ascended to heaven after 40 days

1991.5 + 4000 = 5991.5 years, is where we are now on God's decreed time for mankind.
 

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The date of 30 AD is the year Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey and was acclaimed as King of Israel. Thus the Crucifixion was also 30 AD.
In my opinion.....it doesn't matter that a large crowd of self interested people called Jesus Messiah in 30 AD. What truly matters is that in 27 AD GOD anointed Jesus as the priestly king of Israel and all the world as Peter preached:

Acts 10:34-38
34Then Peter began to speak: “I now truly understand that God does not show favoritism, 35but welcomes those from every nation who fear Him and do what is right. 36He has sent this message to the people of Israel, proclaiming the gospel of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.

37You yourselves know what has happened throughout Judea, beginning in Galilee with the baptism that John proclaimed: 38how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, because God was with Him.
 
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Bible Hub has this timeline. I don't agree to the late date for John's writing - but there's little question to the years of Jesus. Most scholars - religious and secular - agree on those dates generally....within a year or so (as far as I know).

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My apologies to Christian Gedge.
I have argued for quite some time that the date of Jesus Baptism was in 30 AD, thereby making the Crucifixion 33 AD,
I was wrong
I do have to say that it's encouraging to see a humble attitude, Keras.
 
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Bible Hub has this timeline. I don't agree to the late date for John's writing - but there's little question to the years of Jesus. Most scholars - religious and secular - agree on those dates generally....within a year or so (as far as I know).

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If a person puts 4 BC as Jesus's birth (because there were some flaws made in the creation of the BC system) - then 30 AD puts Jesus's death as him being 33-34 years old.

Since Jesus was crucified 4 days after arriving as the messiah, he was 33-34 years old at the time of his arrival in Jerusalem in 30 AD.
 
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37You yourselves know what has happened throughout Judea, beginning in Galilee with the baptism that John proclaimed: 38how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, because God was with Him.

The question now becomes, does this bring us to the year of the coming of Messiah the Prince, and the anointing of the Holy of HOLIEST? (remember, this is what Daniel says. It's 62 X 7 after the 7 x7 to the coming of Messiah the Prince). And so in order to be faithful to scripture, the 434 years must lead to the coming of Messiah the Prince, without any twisting, wresting, or fudging. And Magnificently, it does! When We go to the scriptures, we see that this is the exact year that Christ officially began His role as high priest. This is the year He was Anointed by the Holy Spirit and was 'announced' and baptized by John the Baptist. This is when God had the dove descend upon Him, and of His officially taking on His office. This is the year when (as it was written), John, having prepared the way, gave way to Christ. John had prepared the way for this, 'His Coming!'

This is why John said that now he had to decrease, while Christ increased. This is why Jesus said, 'the TIME is fulfilled, the Kingdom of God is at hand.' This is the acceptable year, this is the time of His anointing. This is when Jesus went to the Temple, opened up the book of Isaiah, and read:

Luke 4:18-21

  • "The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He hath Anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor; He hath sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,


  • to preach the Acceptable Year of the Lord.


  • and He closed the book, and He gave it again to the minister and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on Him.


  • and He began to say unto them, This day is this scripture Fulfilled in your ears."
Is this the acceptable Year? That's what the scriptures tell us! Not only is it confirmed by Christ Himself that this is the acceptable year, Jesus goes a step further and tells us plainly, "This DAY is this scripture fulfilled in your ears." In other words, that prophecy of the coming of Messiah was talking about this year, this time. And Jesus went out and was ANOINTED by the Holy Spirit. This was the year of the official anointing of the Messiah. John had prepared the way, and Jesus came after (John 1:30), to preach the acceptable year of the Lord, being 29 A.D. And He preaches for 3 and 1/2 years, and was crucified in 33 A.D.

Malachi 3:1
  • "Behold, I will send My messenger, and he shall prepare the way before Me: and the LORD, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to His Temple, even the MESSENGER of The COVENANT, whom ye delight in: Behold, He shall come, saith the LORD."
Clearly, the prophecy of His coming is after John the Baptist prepares the way. And the year of His coming, the year when John decreased and He increased, the year John baptized Him, the year when He was anointed, the year when the Spirit descended upon Him like a dove and God spoke saying, This is My beloved, the year He took on His office had come, this year was 29 A.D. And so we see a direct path from the 7 weeks Jubilee year, and 62 weeks, to the coming of the Messiah. The Scriptures bear this out consistently. From the word to build again Jerusalem to Messiah the Prince, is a Jubilee year (7 x 7 weeks) plus 434 years. Understanding this, we can comprehend why this, 'from' the word to restore Jerusalem is 7 sevens, and then 62 sevens, and not just written as 69 sevens. And the verse further informs us by stating that we are to know and understand or consider wisely. When God uses language like that (as in Matthew 24:15, Revelation 13:18), He is alerting us that it's not easily understood. This understanding, this wisdom to know, comes 'only' with careful study and comparisons of the Word of God, and the Holy Spirit of Truth working within each true Believer revealing truth.

Daniel 9:26
  • "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war, desolations are determined."
After the 62 weeks, AFTER this time of the coming of Messiah, He will be cut off. The language of being 'Cut Off' in the scriptures is the language of God's judgment upon His unfaithful Old Testament Congregation. But NOTE it says, 'but not for Himself.' That is because Messiah was cut off for the sins of 'His People!'

Isaiah 53:8
  • "He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare His generation? for He was CUT OFF out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was He stricken."
He was cut off from the living not for Himself, but for the transgressions of His people. This is the people of this Prince (Messiah) that shall come, are the people of Israel. Unfortunately, there are those who try to wrest (twist) or FORCE these scriptures and/or the following passage, to say anti-Christ, Titus, or the Romans are those who are being spoken about here. But as you can clearly see (He who hath eyes to see) there is no mention of any evil Prince here. Neither is it in 'any' translation nor is it in the original language. This is simply an idea out of the mind of man, not the Word of God. Clearly, the only Prince that is being spoken within the CONTEXT about here is Messiah, the Prince! Period. Anyone else than Messiah the Prince is the false doctrine of men. And so the only people of the Prince that is being spoken of here, is congregation of Israel. It's clear that the whole context of the chapter is about the people of Messiah, this Prince that shall come. There is nothing in these passages to lead anyone to believe that Titus or any anti-Christ type Prince was spoken of here. ..unless, you were predisposed to thinking that way by some teacher or Church which taught you this error! In the original language it is crystal clear. Some translators, and unfortunately, Premillennial theologians, have let their bias creep into their theology, and even some newer translations add commentary to God's Word.

Nevertheless, consider these scriptures carefully, wisely, and without prejudice. Daniel chapter 9 verse 25 says that:
  • ..the anointed Prince [mashiyach nagiyd] shall come, and gives us the time period of seven 7's and sixty two 7's from the command to build again the Temple.
There we have the prophecy of the coming of [mashiyach nagiyd] (Messiah the Prince). Then Daniel 9 verse 26 'continues,' saying:
  • the people of this Prince [nagiyd] that shall come, shall destroy [shachath, meaning bring to ruin] City and Sanctuary [godesh].
Now that seems pretty clear to me. Why would God speak about the 'mashiyach nagiyd coming' in one verse, and then in the very next verse say 'the people of the nagiyd coming,' ..and be speaking about some totally other Nagiyd or Prince??? Come on!! It makes no sense whatsoever, 'unless' we have been indoctrinated, or have our minds predisposed to believe it, by the spin we have heard theologians put on these verses. The only way we can make this verse say Evil-Prince, is if we "ADD" to the scriptures the words Evil Prince, or Titus, or Romans, etc. Because God's Word doesn't either say it explicitly, or allude to it implicitly!

Even when we look at the context starting at verse 24, 'God Himself' tells us what He is going to be talking about, and He makes no mention of any evil Prince. He tells us what is determined to happen in these 70 weeks. Some Theologians just are not listening to the Word.

#1. To restrain [kala] the transgression (2nd thess. 2:6-7).
#2. To make an end of [chatham] sins (Hebrews 9:26 1st, John 5:18)
#3. To make reconciliation for iniquity (Hebrews 2:17).
#4. To bring in everlasting righteousness.(2nd Cor. 5:21).
#5. To seal up the Vision and the prophecy (Isaiah 29:11).
#6. To anoint the most Holy [godesh]. (Acts 10:38 4:27)

These are all things concerning dealings of God with His people, Israel, in Mercy and Judgement. Transgression is restrained, sin is stopped, reconciliation is made for them to bring in everlasting righteousness, Judgement comes upon Israel (Blindness in part) sealing up the vision and prophet, and the Most Holy is anointed. This is what scripture tells us is determined to happen during the 70 weeks. This is what God, not man, declares! And God says nothing about an anti-Christ coming, an evil leader named Titus, the Romans, slaughtered pigs in a Temple, the destruction of 70 AD, or the rebuilding of the Third Temple. Not a single solitary word about these things. So the question then becomes, where do these types of teachings come from if it's not here in the pertinent scriptures? The answer is, from people who have been taught error, and who don't bother to check the scriptures carefully to see if they 'actually do say' what Theologians claim that they do, and so repeat these errors as if they were the gospel truth.

Clearly, the people of this Prince that should come are the people of Israel. Verse 24 says 70 weeks are determined upon 'thy people' and verse 20 tells us who this 'thy people' were! Remember also of verse 20 said that the vision would be sealed up, and the Prophet would be sealed up! We don't need man-made interpretations, we saw by scripture just what that related to. It is Israel and her judgment of blindness. Her judgment is of God. Eyes that they may not see and not understand the vision of God's Salvation program (sealing the vision) is judgment of GOD, not Romans putting out their eyes or some antichrist-man, fable. Man cannot seal up the vision and Prophets. Only God can.

Selah!

Oh, by the way, Christ rode into Jerusalem upon the donkey in 33 A.D.!
 
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Yes.

Now search history sites on the life of Jesus of Nazareth - even Wikipedia - because most will confirm this.

Here's one: Jesus | Facts, Teachings, Miracles, Death, & Doctrines

I don't like the Wikipedia definition because (beside from being written from a biased point of view) they always attempt to explain something from a secular or particular view, which usually means they don't do a real good job of it. Stick to Sola Scriptura as the only source of God's interpretation.
 
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The question now becomes, does this bring us to the year of the coming of Messiah the Prince, and the anointing of the Holy of HOLIEST? (remember, this is what Daniel says. It's 62 X 7 after the 7 x7 to the coming of Messiah the Prince). And so in order to be faithful to scripture, the 434 years must lead to the coming of Messiah the Prince, without any twisting, wresting, or fudging. And Magnificently, it does! When We go to the scriptures, we see that this is the exact year that Christ officially began His role as high priest. This is the year He was Anointed by the Holy Spirit and was 'announced' and baptized by John the Baptist. This is when God had the dove descend upon Him, and of His officially taking on His office. This is the year when (as it was written), John, having prepared the way, gave way to Christ. John had prepared the way for this, 'His Coming!'
Exactly!

My goodness! What's going on today? Keras gave a genuine and humble apology.....I emphatically agree with TS (on at least something!).....

I think it's important that you pointed out Jesus was anointed as High Priest (I'd add....to take the throne of King David's priestly/king position as promised).
 
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I don't like the Wikipedia definition because (beside from being written from a biased point of view) they always attempt to explain something from a secular or particular view, which usually means they don't do a real good job of it. Stick to Sola Scriptura as the only source of God's interpretation.
I suggested a secular history site because I honestly believe there's less bias. All the Abrahamic religions recognize that there was a man named Jesus that was from Nazareth (there were also other "Jesus's at the time). There's actually more agreement in the world of historians (secular and religious) than there is in Christianity (because people then involve their personal bias and identity).
 
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My apologies to Christian Gedge.
I have argued for quite some time that the date of Jesus Baptism was in 30 AD, thereby making the Crucifixion 33 AD,
I was wrong; the date of Jesus' Baptism and His birth, are not pivotal points of timing.

The date of 30 AD is the year Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey and was acclaimed as King of Israel. Thus the Crucifixion was also 30 AD.

My revised timeline:
Total elapsed years to the first exile of Judah = 3386.5

586 BC + 613.5 years + 2 comes to 29.5/30 AD, the date of Jesus’ acknowledgement as King of Israel and then His subsequent death.
Plus 2 to include the total number of elapsed years, as our calendar system counts years from their commencement.

3386.5 + 613.5 = 4000 years from Adam to Jesus.

January 2021 AD - 29.5/30 AD = 1991.5 years since Jesus made His triumphal entry into Jerusalem, then was Crucified, rose again 3 days later and ascended to heaven after 40 days

1991.5 + 4000 = 5991.5 years, is where we are now on God's decreed time for mankind.
Except it has only been a few weeks since Passover. Passover is the first month and in the spring, not the fall. It has only been 1991 years and a month.
 
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I don't like the Wikipedia definition because (beside from being written from a biased point of view) they always attempt to explain something from a secular or particular view, which usually means they don't do a real good job of it. Stick to Sola Scriptura as the only source of God's interpretation.

OK, here is Sola Scriptura for you.

They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” (John 2:20)
Herod began construction of the temple in 20 BC. Jesus had this conversation at the beginning of his ministry. So, 20 BC + 46 = 27 AD. However you say Messiahs ministry started in 29 AD?? The secular historians count is the correct one Trib.
 
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Isn't 486 1/2 years still after the 483 years?

I think what's tripping you up is the recognition of the beginning of the 70th week.....you have it starting in the middle.....ignoring the first 3.5 years.
But the text does not say after 62 1/2 weeks (69 1/2 weeks subtotal), i.e. 486 1/2 years.

7 week segment
62 week segment

1 week segment
70 weeks total
 
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But the text does not say after 62 1/2 weeks (69 1/2 weeks subtotal), i.e. 486 1/2 years.

There is no "1/2" in Daniel 9:24-27. It happens when someone, especially Preterists, tried to literally apply a period of "3-1/2" years between the Baptism and Death of Christ. But this is not what God prophesied this way.

Dan 9:26
(26) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
 
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