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Longtime viewer, first time poster. I'm looking for advice, encouragement, any wisdom that you have. I'll try to not make this a novel, but there are also some specific things that are necessary to note. Thanks in advance to anyone who reads and responds! I've been struggling with feeling unsatisfied in my marriage and have been harboring regrets for the majority of our marriage. I keep hoping that if I just act loving, I'll start to feel the loving emotions, but that has not happened.

My husband and I have been married for 5 years, together for 7. I'm 29 and he's 31. We met online when I was feeling insecure about myself and wanted someone who would treat me well. I have a not-great relationship with my father and a generally emotionally absent mother. I grew up feeling that I was not enough and would always need to change myself in order to earn love. My parents are Christians and do a lot of things well, but emotionally secure relationships was not one of them. I've also always been self-conscious of my looks and while I now pride myself on being a little weird and quirky (Doctor Who, anyone? Downton Abbey?), I also for a long time felt that I was the oddball out.

When my husband and I met, he was very big into big romantic gestures. My grandfather passed away one weekend and he planned to come visit me (we were long distance). This was early on so I just figured he would stay home but he ended up buying a bus ticket to come down and be there for me. It was really sweet, and also clouded my judgement. Looking back, I think I felt I "had" to keep dating him because obviously how was I going to find a better person than that?

I'm not sure exactly where it came from, but I had this warped idea that a "good Christian" just marries someone who loves Jesus, won't cheat, and won't leave. I thought that any personal preferences were just shallow and shouldn't matter in the end. At times, I totally downplayed my own feelings because I felt I had to. I really can't get into sports and so much of his identity revolves around sports. I'm more progressive (in faith, politics, and social issues) and he is more conservative. I care deeply about helping those less fortunate and positively changing the world and he's very comfortable in his life and doesn't often look to help others. We don't really laugh a lot or share the same sense of humor, and when I try to have deep conversations, it feels really stiff and unnatural. We are rarely on the same page on things and it's so hard to connect. It's never felt that "talking with my best friend" level of comfort and ease.

I have really struggled with his family. His mother has been fairly unkind to me over the years, even telling my husband in front of me before our wedding that she had "wished things had worked out with his ex girlfriend." My husband is very non-confrontational and said nothing in my defense. He is slowly getting better about it, but it's been a challenge. He loves his family very much but his mother is very negative and controlling. During Thanksgiving, we were watching the parade and all she had to say was unkind things about everyone performing. "What a wannabe! She certainly hasn't aged well! Can you believe they think they're talented?!" They go to church and certainly claim to be Christians but there is no fruit there that I see. I struggle with the idea of eventually bringing children into this family and having them influenced by his family. He has a brother who has serious mental illnesses and probably brain damage from hard drug use and his parents have brushed it under the rug and denied it for years. There's definitely been moments of gaslighting there where they pretend everything is normal and HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY after his brother got into a fistfight with his dad while on jetskis and cussed everyone out. It has been hard to feel like I'm going against the grain by even showing concern for his brother and acknowledging that something is not right.

Over the years, I have become more progressive and am really re-examining my faith and what I believe and why. He is more of the "just believe it because the Bible says so" type and I think feels personally threatened by me challenging my own faith. When I have just wondered really what does God say about homosexuality and how are we arriving to the conclusions that we do from the scriptures, he has gotten mad and demanded I talk to a pastor about it and that he should also be present to make sure I'm hearing "The Truth." I've talked with him about boundaries and how it is really not ok for him to be overbearing on my personal beliefs (we can definitely have debates, though!) and disrespectful to me, and how I'm not his child, and he gets it, but in the moment he really struggles.

I spent a lot of our early relationship changing who I was to what he wanted me to be. Like I mentioned, I grew up thinking who I was was not enough. I saw how his mom treated me and rather than thinking "hmm maybe not worth my time," I took it as a challenge to win her over, because then maybe I would be good enough. I had zero boundaries in the relationship and now that I am learning to be more confident in myself and have healthy boundaries, I realize how unhealthy the start of our relationship was. It was really about finding someone that I thought would love me and never leave me, and never really stopped to consider if I liked that person.

Two more things to note before this turns into any more of a novel. We did engage in sex before marriage. I felt very convicted about it and told him I didn't want to anymore. He argued with me about it, told me the scriptures actually didn't say that, and guilted me about it until I relented. Now, I definitely should have realized that was not healthy, but again I had such little self-esteem and boundaries so I just continued. He denied ever doing that for years and eventually I pushed him enough to admit that he had done this and that it was wrong. But it is so hard for me to want to have sex with him because of this. I think about if we were to have children, would I want my child to stay with someone who did this to them? No, I wouldn't. We rarely have sex. I don't feel attracted to his looks or personality and then when I think about this issue, it really kills any feelings I might have had. I don't know where to go from here on this?

The last thing is that for almost the entirety of our marriage, I have struggled with feelings for someone else. I knew this person from church camp at a young age. We had feelings for each other on and off growing up but never dated. I feel that I rushed into marriage due to my insecurity and never explored this person. I specifically do not reach out to him because I know the contact will egg the feelings on. I know I can never know what my life with him would have been like. It may have been a disastrous relationship. But I think about him so often and have prayed constantly to have these feelings die. I can't watch certain episodes of tv shows (like The Office or Frasier) because I see characters in marriages/relationships they don't want to be in while feeling in love with someone else. It feels too real and it breaks my heart. I told him about my feelings earlier in our relationship and how I struggled every day to not think of this person and he just told me he didn't believe me. I've told him before how I really struggle to have feelings for him and want to be with him and he doesn't seem impacted by that at all.

I have a counselor I see regularly for myself, and we have tried couples counseling before, but I'm not sure how to move past the sexual incident or the fact that I just don't like being with him.

I do want to be fair and say that there are many positives to our relationship. He is a great partner with household chores, we have gotten to live abroad thanks to his job, and he encourages me to pursue my passions. I realize that on paper, things are going really well and I should be thankful. I know that feelings are not always facts and God calls us to love one another regardless of what's in our heart. I know love is a choice. Is there anyone out there who went through a similar situation and found themselves truly thankful and feeling more "in love" down the road? I try to remind myself that I may never know God's plans for my life/this marriage and while I am not at all likening myself to Job, I try to remember the challenges Job went through in his life and how God used him.

To those of you who take the time to read this and respond, I greatly appreciate you and am thankful for those who pray for me.
 

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Urge you to watch "Marriage Today."

Their website marriagetoday.com/category/tv-episodes/ has probably 60 free episodes including "What a man really needs" and 'What a woman really needs" by Jimmy Evan's ministries. All teachings are Biblically based. Plus there's books, videos, etc. He was recently interviewed on Joni: Table Table for 4 eqisodes about his book "The Four Laws of Love." Think those can still be viewed.

There's hundreds of "Marriage Today" episodes on youtube.

Also, your marriage will never be what it can be with you thinking about that other guy. I know you said you've prayed. You've confessed them now repent of them and asks the Lord to remove those thoughts and feelings. Then when that first thought of him comes immediately think on Scripture such as "God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble." (Psa 46:1). If you are consistent with this Biblical strategy, those thoughts will mostly stop.

From personal experience I can tell you that praying together -(meaning at the same time and place) changed our hearts and lives. We repented of our sins,, askied the Lord to forgive us, that we forgave each other and most importantly we told the Lord that we put Him first. INote: it wasnt us but God. Like I can't love him the way I should without your help. It changed our lives from that point forward - together.
 
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You say you have a counselor. Have you discussed everything you put in your post with that person? If so, is there a reason they cannot help you work through these feelings and issues to determine the best course forward? If they cannot - or if you have not brought it up to them - I would urge you to find a new counselor and be brutally honest about everything you explained here. This isn't something people on an internet forum can help you with. You need a professional to help you sort through your history, your reasons for marrying someone you didn't, and still don't, love, and where to go from here.
 
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I appreciate the responses so far. I will look into the Marriage Today website. Yes, I have been very blunt with my therapist. I will say it's difficult to find the right therapist. I find that even with Christian counselors, you either find ones that just tell you to fake it til you make it with zero regard for the history, or you find ones that basically just say "then why not just get divorced?" Growing up in the church, I feel a lot of shame around the topic of divorce. I'm not even sure what I believe God wants on the subject, but I am someone who is afraid to act and doesn't trust myself, having been taught that I'm always wrong. I guess I'm torn in feeling that "marriage is hard so this is just how it is" and "I don't think this is a good marriage but where do I go from here?" if that makes sense. It just feels like no advice is really helpful and I can't figure out why. Truthfully I don't want to be in the marriage and the only reason I still am is because I feel like I'm supposed to as a Christian. I have been fighting these feelings hard for the last few years and it is hard and I am tired.
 
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I appreciate the responses so far. I will look into the Marriage Today website. Yes, I have been very blunt with my therapist. I will say it's difficult to find the right therapist. I find that even with Christian counselors, you either find ones that just tell you to fake it til you make it with zero regard for the history, or you find ones that basically just say "then why not just get divorced?" Growing up in the church, I feel a lot of shame around the topic of divorce. I'm not even sure what I believe God wants on the subject, but I am someone who is afraid to act and doesn't trust myself, having been taught that I'm always wrong. I guess I'm torn in feeling that "marriage is hard so this is just how it is" and "I don't think this is a good marriage but where do I go from here?" if that makes sense. It just feels like no advice is really helpful and I can't figure out why. Truthfully I don't want to be in the marriage and the only reason I still am is because I feel like I'm supposed to as a Christian. I have been fighting these feelings hard for the last few years and it is hard and I am tired.
I know we are not supposed to advocate leaving a marriage on here, but this marriage came into being when you were in a bad place with yourself and that rarely or never produces good results in relationships.
You sound as though you knew from the start this was not the right relationship for you, and definitely knew you were trying to find an 'other' to fix or complete you, when only we, through Gods grace can do that, I can sympathise with a young person without much self esteem and few famillial building blocks feeling vulnerable and hoping to find comfort in other human beings, but the sad truth if life is that humans are fallible, but God is not.
Obviously in a perfect world we fix ourselves through God before we get married, but too often we don't know we are unwhole whilst we are married because we are fixated on the manifestations of an unhappy marriage.
I don't want to tell you what to do, you've kind of answered that question in your post already, if I understand you, you're only staying because you think it's the right Christian thing to do.
I can only tell you that I was in a similar marriage, and I stayed because I made a promise before God that I would, even though every fibre of my being was screaming for me to go, if I had prayed for guidence, it would have been hard for me to deny the calling of this inner voice, I finally left because I knew that nothing was ever going to change, and instead of being a miserable 30 something, I would be a bitter 40 something, a broken 50 something and so on.
It sounds to me like you have an inner calling to be true to who you really are, you have to find out if you can be that person within this marriage or not, but if you don't have children, can you see yourself looking back on this marriage when you are 60 or 70 and saying it's a good thing that I forced myself to stay?
You say you are tired, that's because your head is wrestling with who you really are, you're putting yourself in a straight jacket, or allowing others to do that, I don't care what anyone says, fake it to make it does not work, the clue is in the word 'fake' do you think God wants you to be a fake? I did it till it drove me to a nervous breakdown.
This trope only works socially, when we behave in a kind way towards others, we generate warm feelings all round, but a marriage is or should be more than being nice to each other, God gave us the ability to be truly bonded soulmates with each other, being on the same wave length, falling deeply in love, feeling a profoundly attracted to each other on every level, are we going to deny God's gifts for us because we made a bad decision when we were not whole?
I am profoundly grateful that I am now in a marriage that contains all of the aforementioned, but it took courage to acknowledge my brokenness and take that to God, only then did everything else fall into place.
I know the church and the Bible has a lot to say about marriage and what I have said may contradict that, but I'm an old woman twice married and I know a good deal about life, pain, living with and without God, and I firmly believe God brought my second marriage to me, that is my experience and it may be different for you, but I thought I would share my post as an alternative to the advice you have already had about simply staying because you think the church demands it of you, they don't have to spend the rest of their lives in this marriage, you may do.

I wish you the very best in your search for your destiny, and I pray that if the time comes, God will give you the courage, or the acceptance to help you find the path HE wants you to take, and the wisdom to know the difference.
 
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Longtime viewer, first time poster. I'm looking for advice, encouragement, any wisdom that you have. I'll try to not make this a novel, but there are also some specific things that are necessary to note. Thanks in advance to anyone who reads and responds! I've been struggling with feeling unsatisfied in my marriage and have been harboring regrets for the majority of our marriage. I keep hoping that if I just act loving, I'll start to feel the loving emotions, but that has not happened.

My husband and I have been married for 5 years, together for 7. I'm 29 and he's 31. We met online when I was feeling insecure about myself and wanted someone who would treat me well. I have a not-great relationship with my father and a generally emotionally absent mother. I grew up feeling that I was not enough and would always need to change myself in order to earn love. My parents are Christians and do a lot of things well, but emotionally secure relationships was not one of them. I've also always been self-conscious of my looks and while I now pride myself on being a little weird and quirky (Doctor Who, anyone? Downton Abbey?), I also for a long time felt that I was the oddball out.

When my husband and I met, he was very big into big romantic gestures. My grandfather passed away one weekend and he planned to come visit me (we were long distance). This was early on so I just figured he would stay home but he ended up buying a bus ticket to come down and be there for me. It was really sweet, and also clouded my judgement. Looking back, I think I felt I "had" to keep dating him because obviously how was I going to find a better person than that?

I'm not sure exactly where it came from, but I had this warped idea that a "good Christian" just marries someone who loves Jesus, won't cheat, and won't leave. I thought that any personal preferences were just shallow and shouldn't matter in the end. At times, I totally downplayed my own feelings because I felt I had to. I really can't get into sports and so much of his identity revolves around sports. I'm more progressive (in faith, politics, and social issues) and he is more conservative. I care deeply about helping those less fortunate and positively changing the world and he's very comfortable in his life and doesn't often look to help others. We don't really laugh a lot or share the same sense of humor, and when I try to have deep conversations, it feels really stiff and unnatural. We are rarely on the same page on things and it's so hard to connect. It's never felt that "talking with my best friend" level of comfort and ease.

I have really struggled with his family. His mother has been fairly unkind to me over the years, even telling my husband in front of me before our wedding that she had "wished things had worked out with his ex girlfriend." My husband is very non-confrontational and said nothing in my defense. He is slowly getting better about it, but it's been a challenge. He loves his family very much but his mother is very negative and controlling. During Thanksgiving, we were watching the parade and all she had to say was unkind things about everyone performing. "What a wannabe! She certainly hasn't aged well! Can you believe they think they're talented?!" They go to church and certainly claim to be Christians but there is no fruit there that I see. I struggle with the idea of eventually bringing children into this family and having them influenced by his family. He has a brother who has serious mental illnesses and probably brain damage from hard drug use and his parents have brushed it under the rug and denied it for years. There's definitely been moments of gaslighting there where they pretend everything is normal and HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY after his brother got into a fistfight with his dad while on jetskis and cussed everyone out. It has been hard to feel like I'm going against the grain by even showing concern for his brother and acknowledging that something is not right.

Over the years, I have become more progressive and am really re-examining my faith and what I believe and why. He is more of the "just believe it because the Bible says so" type and I think feels personally threatened by me challenging my own faith. When I have just wondered really what does God say about homosexuality and how are we arriving to the conclusions that we do from the scriptures, he has gotten mad and demanded I talk to a pastor about it and that he should also be present to make sure I'm hearing "The Truth." I've talked with him about boundaries and how it is really not ok for him to be overbearing on my personal beliefs (we can definitely have debates, though!) and disrespectful to me, and how I'm not his child, and he gets it, but in the moment he really struggles.

I spent a lot of our early relationship changing who I was to what he wanted me to be. Like I mentioned, I grew up thinking who I was was not enough. I saw how his mom treated me and rather than thinking "hmm maybe not worth my time," I took it as a challenge to win her over, because then maybe I would be good enough. I had zero boundaries in the relationship and now that I am learning to be more confident in myself and have healthy boundaries, I realize how unhealthy the start of our relationship was. It was really about finding someone that I thought would love me and never leave me, and never really stopped to consider if I liked that person.

Two more things to note before this turns into any more of a novel. We did engage in sex before marriage. I felt very convicted about it and told him I didn't want to anymore. He argued with me about it, told me the scriptures actually didn't say that, and guilted me about it until I relented. Now, I definitely should have realized that was not healthy, but again I had such little self-esteem and boundaries so I just continued. He denied ever doing that for years and eventually I pushed him enough to admit that he had done this and that it was wrong. But it is so hard for me to want to have sex with him because of this. I think about if we were to have children, would I want my child to stay with someone who did this to them? No, I wouldn't. We rarely have sex. I don't feel attracted to his looks or personality and then when I think about this issue, it really kills any feelings I might have had. I don't know where to go from here on this?

The last thing is that for almost the entirety of our marriage, I have struggled with feelings for someone else. I knew this person from church camp at a young age. We had feelings for each other on and off growing up but never dated. I feel that I rushed into marriage due to my insecurity and never explored this person. I specifically do not reach out to him because I know the contact will egg the feelings on. I know I can never know what my life with him would have been like. It may have been a disastrous relationship. But I think about him so often and have prayed constantly to have these feelings die. I can't watch certain episodes of tv shows (like The Office or Frasier) because I see characters in marriages/relationships they don't want to be in while feeling in love with someone else. It feels too real and it breaks my heart. I told him about my feelings earlier in our relationship and how I struggled every day to not think of this person and he just told me he didn't believe me. I've told him before how I really struggle to have feelings for him and want to be with him and he doesn't seem impacted by that at all.

I have a counselor I see regularly for myself, and we have tried couples counseling before, but I'm not sure how to move past the sexual incident or the fact that I just don't like being with him.

I do want to be fair and say that there are many positives to our relationship. He is a great partner with household chores, we have gotten to live abroad thanks to his job, and he encourages me to pursue my passions. I realize that on paper, things are going really well and I should be thankful. I know that feelings are not always facts and God calls us to love one another regardless of what's in our heart. I know love is a choice. Is there anyone out there who went through a similar situation and found themselves truly thankful and feeling more "in love" down the road? I try to remind myself that I may never know God's plans for my life/this marriage and while I am not at all likening myself to Job, I try to remember the challenges Job went through in his life and how God used him.

To those of you who take the time to read this and respond, I greatly appreciate you and am thankful for those who pray for me.

Your experiences sound like those of those of most of the rest of us.

Just remember, the grass isn't necessarily greener on the other side ... nor free of weeds.
 
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