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Hi there,

So I know what I have been looking for all this time, all the reasoning, all the wrangling - about Evolution. But you know what? I'm not going to tell you. Jesus, specifically said "don't throw what is holy to the dogs, lest they turn on you and tear you in pieces" (Matthew 7:6).

My question is, once this becomes the norm for the species (not telling), what selection pressure will there be on that restraint and the individuals that have it? Is there an end to selection pressure, or something added to try and cope with it?

You might say, "the silence will make sensitivity to other things in its place, grow greater" or you might say "the silence will overlap with what is known about Evolution, and force Evolution to accomodate the possibility that it is not as needed, as before"?

This is serious. If gravity stops being communicated, gravity doesn't stop - but then gravity is not a colloquial expression for an appreciation of a species, but a force. That said, even gravity waxes and wanes and communicating the same way at different points in its cycle, affects communication in a way, that relates to (the communication's) agreement with it (the gravity). Just as a resonant frequency can force structures to collapse, so syncopation with gravity can create additional mass.

The point is, interpretation matters, and it behoves someone presenting a theory, to also suggest a particular interpretation among others - if only to secure a defence against bias, by declaring a position, that might be able to shed light on biases, between different interpretations. Churches are all people, uniting together, but there are many flavours, which help bring the point of uniting in Christ into view. So far Evolution has elected to call itself a science, with strong biological roots, but no word as to what lives or dies in Evolution, done one way or another.

I warn you that it will matter, what you say about Evolution - just as Jesus said "he that rejects me, will be judged by the word I have spoken to him" (John 12:48). If you continue to be "Evolved" and you reject Jesus, the fact that Jesus said you will be judged, will vex you indefinitely. That is stronger, than any mutation, that Evolution could point at. In essence, your refusal to share Evolution, what it means to you - in a practical sense - will rob you of what it means, in the end. You don't want this; it is something you have to discipline yourself in: not taking advantage of the obscurity surrounding "Evolution".

I've been told I am not focussing on the science, many times, so suffice it to say that meaning is stored in DNA and Evolution if it is anything, must be a specific kind of meaning. I am interested, in what happens to that DNA, when it attenuates syncopation with an object that gives it survival - that is, what happens to my DNA the more I become like "Jesus". I fully do not expect, Evolution to remain unchanged, in the face of the overawing revelation of Jesus Christ. There is a way out here, as relates specifically to what confidence we have in Jesus successively changing us, to His Father's end (Lord, make it alive, in Your Name Amen).

What I am not doing, is presenting a case, that Jesus has no effect on DNA and that Evolution alters it all completely randomly. Thanks for taking that as a foundation, in this discussion - not leaving it to the end (what you think of it).
 

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This is serious. If gravity stops being communicated, gravity doesn't stop - but then gravity is not a colloquial expression for an appreciation of a species, but a force. That said, even gravity waxes and wanes and communicating the same way at different points in its cycle, affects communication in a way, that relates to (the communication's) agreement with it (the gravity). Just as a resonant frequency can force structures to collapse, so syncopation with gravity can create additional mass.

How does gravity wax and wane?

How does "syncopation" with gravity create additional mass?
 
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How does gravity wax and wane?

I just assume that if Gravity is "relative", then in absolute terms there will be low and high gravity states.

How does "syncopation" with gravity create additional mass?

Again, I just assume that if a resonant frequency can bring a building down, syncopation at the level of Gravity is able to intensify the law, that creates that 'gravity'.

I am interested to know what you think treating Evolution as a force, does for that force? It seems spurious to me, that you want "Evolution" to be respected as an expression of physics, in the context of a biology - when as we all know, other properties are quantized and recontextualised in the light of the theory that goes with them.

I really don't know what a "little bit" of Evolution is, yet here we are and you are saying "I can mutate, a different Evolution" that is "regardless of how it is quantized".

Perhaps we should be looking at the context, in which there are too many alternatives, to employ for a given selection pressure, and how Evolution deals, with that?
 
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What I think you really need to do is to actually read up on the science of evolution and basic biology in general.

1. If you can't explain it simply, maybe you don't really understand it.

2. As a matter of faith, I share the words I believe with the world - which includes which words we should have faith in, in relation to which subject.

All I have been offered by Evolutionists to date, is an ad hoc mess of platitudes that bear no relation to each other.

It really does seem to me, the more you insist I learn biology or get a Phd in physics, the more you are basically in denial that the Evolution you believe in, has never even once been about someone other than you.

What can I say, to take the sting out of that? Jesus is never going to help you hurt yourself, you should trust Him - whatever His God says is Law; perhaps if you desire some sort of 'law' to go along with your faith in "Evolution" you should make room, for Him.

No?
 
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1. If you can't explain it simply, maybe you don't really understand it.

2. As a matter of faith, I share the words I believe with the world - which includes which words we should have faith in, in relation to which subject.

All I have been offered by Evolutionists to date, is an ad hoc mess of platitudes that bear no relation to each other.

It really does seem to me, the more you insist I learn biology or get a Phd in physics, the more you are basically in denial that the Evolution you believe in, has never even once been about someone other than you.

What can I say, to take the sting out of that? Jesus is never going to help you hurt yourself, you should trust Him - whatever His God says is Law; perhaps if you desire some sort of 'law' to go along with your faith in "Evolution" you should make room, for Him.

No?

No. You've been offered by people who accept evolution to teach you and to actually get you to understand about the fact of biological evolution and the theory of evolution, but you have never once taken anyone up on those offers and instead just keep pumping out these harebrained and nonsensical threads where you try and combine religion and science into something that is neither.
 
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No. You've been offered by people who accept evolution to teach you and to actually get you to understand about the fact of biological evolution and the theory of evolution, but you have never once taken anyone up on those offers and instead just keep pumping out these harebrained and nonsensical threads where you try and combine religion and science into something that is neither.

So you opt for "1. you don't really understand it."

As for trusting the words of Jesus, to illuminate something Jesus originally created - I find your upset that you have not been handed verbatim biological text, as incredulous.

I still need your help, to create a working context, for interpreting "Evolution" across time in a single species - but I am beginning to doubt your dependence for the task (the idea that you would be over-joyed to share with me, something you see consistently coming true).

There are things in this world, more powerful than scientific theory - I'm not throwing the baby out with the bathwater, because you won't talk with me simply.
 
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So you opt for "1. you don't really understand it."

As for trusting the words of Jesus, to illuminate something Jesus originally created - I find your upset that you have not been handed verbatim biological text, as incredulous.

I still need your help, to create a working context, for interpreting "Evolution" across time in a single species - but I am beginning to doubt your dependence for the task (the idea that you would be over-joyed to share with me, something you see consistently coming true).

There are things in this world, more powerful than scientific theory - I'm not throwing the baby out with the bathwater, because you won't talk with me simply.

But you clearly do not understand evolution. It's a clear and apparent observation from anyone who has read your threads. You do not understand that which you rail against.
 
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So... you know nothing new then is what you're saying.

If you somehow found what was missing then why wouldn't you say?

You've always argued to the contrary so by extension you're depriving the world of edification by, in your opinion, withholding a truth that would reinforce the Biblical account and the authority of Scripture as a result.

So, don't sit on your hands thinking it's clever, you either have something that will bring glory (and people) to God, or you don't.
 
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But you clearly do not understand evolution. It's a clear and apparent observation from anyone who has read your threads. You do not understand that which you rail against.

Who is it that doesn't understand a theory, the one that thinks a generation learns to respond to the previous generation, or the one that says as long as a change is individual in nature, it doesn't apply to the generation?

Tell me a time, when you knew Evolution was true, without being told by another individual?

It's denial.
 
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So... you know nothing new then is what you're saying.

If you somehow found what was missing then why wouldn't you say?

You've always argued to the contrary so by extension you're depriving the world of edification by, in your opinion, withholding a truth that would reinforce the Biblical account and the authority of Scripture as a result.

So, don't sit on your hands thinking it's clever, you either have something that will bring glory (and people) to God, or you don't.

Are you talking to me?

I don't think I am sitting on my hands?

Are you saying, its impossible to keep Evolution secret??
 
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Who is it that doesn't understand a theory, the one that thinks a generation learns to respond to the previous generation, or the one that says as long as a change is individual in nature, it doesn't apply to the generation?


You. You don't understand evolution, nor biology, nor basic science.

Really, Gottservant, you act in a very arrogant manner when you claim that you think you have all the answers and then when people tell you you're wrong, you just say they're in denial and leave.
It's arrogant behaviour.
 
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You. You don't understand evolution, nor biology, nor basic science.

Really, Gottservant, you act in a very arrogant manner when you claim that you think you have all the answers and then when people tell you you're wrong, you just say they're in denial and leave.
It's arrogant behaviour.

I don't leave, it just takes time to recalibrate what I trust, with what people refuse to hear.

I have been given the most "intelligently adapted" words ever known, from which ever other word is intelligible in a new light and you are saying "we don't need a new light".

Sorry, but that is just hubris.

The Bible warns us that this is because people want to do evil things with "Evolution".
 
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I don't leave, it just takes time to recalibrate what I trust, with what people refuse to hear.

I have been given the most "intelligently adapted" words ever known, from which ever other word is intelligible in a new light and you are saying "we don't need a new light".

Sorry, but that is just hubris.

The Bible warns us that this is because people want to do evil things with "Evolution".

Chapter and verse for the Bible warning about people wanting to do evil things evolution.
Otherwise you're talking nothing but a load of old guff.
 
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John 3:19

"And this is the judgment, that the light is come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; for their works were evil."

I'm not seeing anything about evolution in there.
 
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Hi there,

So I know what I have been looking for all this time, all the reasoning, all the wrangling - about Evolution. But you know what? I'm not going to tell you. Jesus, specifically said "don't throw what is holy to the dogs, lest they turn on you and tear you in pieces" (Matthew 7:6).

Hi,

I almost never come into this forum. I don't understand science and arguing creation/evolution is not the best way to witness to Jesus, imo.

I just wanted to know; if you have found something that is new, would help us to see God and/or his world more clearly or understand Scripture, why would you not share it with others?
Why write a post which basically said "I've found something; I'm not telling you what because Jesus said not to throw what is holy to the dogs" - and then asks those whom you have just called "dogs", for help?

It's not a great Christian example.
 
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I'm like a dog: once I have been trained to detect a certain scent, my instinct can be reinforced by letting me play with the scent - I am not going to let go, as long as I am able to keep playing with it (the scent).

Your response is "the dog can't bite, what the pack won't play with".

I find this disingenuous, but I don't think you're doing it deliberately: you are basically underdeveloped in the skill of relating - not because you are innately bad at it, you just haven't trusted the Holy Spirit to show you what things really mean.

Treat me like a dog, train me to sense what you mean by Evolution.
 
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I'm like a dog: once I have been trained to detect a certain scent, my instinct can be reinforced by letting me play with the scent - I am not going to let go, as long as I am able to keep playing with it (the scent).

Your response is "the dog can't bite, what the pack won't play with".

I find this disingenuous, but I don't think you're doing it deliberately: you are basically underdeveloped in the skill of relating - not because you are innately bad at it, you just haven't trusted the Holy Spirit to show you what things really mean.

Treat me like a dog, train me to sense what you mean by Evolution.

I don't know who you're replying to, nor what you are talking about.
You were implying that WE are dogs and cannot be given "what is holy" - although a new idea/discovery about evolution is not holy.
 
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