Chauvin Guilty

Pavel Mosko said:

Yes I was watching Tim Pool videos lots.

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The defense did a much better job than was widely reported in the press there should have been reasonable doubt on some of those charges.

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But meanwhile you got the jury being threatened enough where it was on the verge of a mistrial, even by the report of the Judge who should have sequestered the jury weeks or months ago. So this is as much mob justice as actual justice.

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chilehed said:

This is such rubbish. As a volunteer first responder I can assure you that people suffering from critical respiratory distress can say "I can't breath" up until the moment they lose consciousness and die. George Floyd was in obvious respiratory distress, and Chauvin ABSOLUTELY had a duty to respond to it. In not doing so he was criminally negligent.

Race hustlers like Maxine Waters are despicable, and her reckless stoking of the mob is very likely to result in this getting overturned on appeal. She and everyone like her should be ashamed of themselves.

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Confused-by-christianity said:

Was Chauvin a problem officer with a history of violence against citizens? (I haven't read anything on this bit recently).

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Yekcidmij said:

Tim Poole exaggerates a lot in his videos and often makes unsupported claims, imo. He uses click-baity news sources and stories that are already written to exaggerate, inflame and instigate social hysteria, and then he piles some of his commentary on top which further fans the flames and propagates more social hysteria. I don't find that kind of analysis very useful.



Apparently they didn't do that well of a job, or their job wasn't as easy as Tim Poole believes. Maybe it just wasn't easy to convince a jury of reasonable doubt? That video would be compelling evidence of guilt to a lot of people.



Is there any actual evidence that any juror actually rendered their verdict due to intimidation rather than consideration of the evidence? Or is this Tim Poole style speculation? if I had been on the jury, I wouldn't give a rip what Maxine Waters, Joe Biden, or any political figure said - why can't I believe that this jury could do the same?

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SummerMadness said:

Medical experts and scientific testimony countered what you're arguing and was far more convincing, including standing up to cross examination. If the jury was not convinced, then it's because the defense was weak (i.e., incorrect) or incompetent.
Plus your aasertion that one must have air in his lungs in order to speak is completely incorrect, but that wouldn't even matter. Dying from asphyxia does not mean there was no air in his lungs, it means oxygen could not efficiently reach his tissue. You know, the guy resting in his neck prevented that, as testified by all the experts, Chauvin murdered him.

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chilehed said:

Doesn't matter. There were huge mobs, she did everything she could stoke them against the jury, and the jury wasn't sequestered until they went into deliberations so there's little chance they didn't know about it. I'm not a lawyer, but it sounds like a slam dunk to me.

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Der Alte said:

Posted this before. Very little response.
Here is why I think it was the wrong verdict.
.....The jury copped out from fear and reacted to all the insanity outside. Chauvin's knees on Floyd's neck and back could not have stopped him from breathing.
Wanting to see things for myself. I weighed myself 220 lbs, then knelt on the same scales with my toes on the floor just like Chauvin. Guess what only 166 lbs, that is 83 lbs per knee. Then I pressed up against a wall as close as I could, with my head turned to the side. I could easily pass my clinched fist between my neck and the wall. So what prevented Floyd from breathing? Certainly not the knee on his neck.
.....And I'm pretty sure one has to have air in their lungs to speak. If I can't breathe I can't talk.
.....So where did all this stuff come from? Remember the Michael Brown death, Ferguson Missouri. People running around holding up their hands yelling "Hands up, don't shoot." It never happened. Brown did NOT have his hands up and he was moving toward the officer when he was shot.
.....I read the grand jury findings one of the witnesses never saw what happened she was in a room away from the action and only repeated what her boyfriend told her. It was in the report. This police photo of a blood stain in the street where Michael Brown was shot. Note the long trail extending to the lower right. This is evidence that Brown was moving when he was shot.

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Der Alte said:

Do you own a TV and do you watch the news.

“I hope that we are going to get a verdict that says ‘guilty, guilty, guilty,’” Waters continued.
“If we don’t we cannot go away. We have got to get more confrontational. We have got to make sure that they know that we mean business,” said Waters, an 82-year-old Democrat now in her 16th term in office.
Maxine Waters urges ‘confrontation’ if Chauvin found not guilty​

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Landon Caeli said:

I was feeling sorry for Chauvin at first, thinking he just made a mistake... Then, I considered how Chauvin wasn't checking on Floyd, and how Floyd was already handcuffed, so wasn't much of a threat.

...Then I considered all the rules in prison, with certain toilettes for #1 and others for #2, and how important rules are that prisoners invent, and enforce upon each other... I think Chauvin will be fine in there, being right up his alley... He won't be bothered by prison as much as say a Libertarian like myself, he might actually not even mind it.

Also, If he thought prison was that bad, he would have never been a cop.

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SummerMadness said:

Nor do I. She is one of those black grifters that shows up every few years, where they claim they don't see color or hate focus on race, yet they make their entire careers about attacking black people. They know this is lucrative because ingratiating themselves to attacking black people as a black person makes them "unique" in the media landscape. It's dancing for that bag.

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Swag365 said:

Did you expect anyone to give serious consideration to your personal bathroom scale calculations? Perhaps you should contact the defense with this valuable information. They can use it for the appeal.

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And Ferguson is an entirely different matter. Also irrelevant to the current case. Have a nice day.

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Der Alte said:

I would venture to say that unless we were measuring micro-grams of something, for a scientific experiment, which we weren't, any difference would be minuscule and irrelevant.
Since you are playing expert how would you invalidate the wall experiment? Can you postulate some way Chauvin's knee on the side of Floyd's neck could have restricted his air flow to the point it caused death with about a 2 in space between his neck and the pavement? I can't.

I'm sorry that was too difficult for you let me make it less complicated. In both cases immediately afterward supporters were demonstrating for the "poor victims" with signs and chants i.e. "Hands up don't shoot." which OBTW never happened and "I can't breathe."
The chants and signs of rioting demonstrators is NOT evidence of wrongdoing. Especially as in the case of Michael Brown one of the witnesses who said Brown's hands were up when the officer shot him. She was in a room on the other side of the house and didn't see anything. She only repeated what her boyfriend told her. The findings of the grand jury were online and I read the entire report.
Documents from the Ferguson grand jury

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Swag365 said:

This is not evidence that the jury's decision was influenced by a mob.

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SummerMadness said:

This is what happens when you see a black victim, so that means you have to bring up every black person that has been killed by police as if it is pertinent or relevant to the discussion.

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Michael Brown has nothing to do with this case, but I can understand why you keep bringing him up. The prosecution had a tight case, which is why Derek Chauvin is currently awaiting sentencing. I get it, you feel like you lost, so now it's time to bring up one of the "wins."

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The only reason I think this is brought up is to somehow rub it in I guess? You are really mad that you didn't get a not guilty outcome. However, anyone that watched this trial recognized the prosecution ran circles around the defense.

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