Unbelievably stupid book by Herbert W. Armstrong followers

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One of the hydra-like offshoots of the “Worldwide Church of God,” which is a non-Christian cult whose beliefs are Arian, Binitarian and Pneumatomacchian, has been advertising on a major Christian website ridiculous book about how to find “the true Church of God,” which I will not link to, lest people who are not well catechized find it and fall for its deceptions, a work which contains absurdities like this:

At this point, it is helpful to understand that the true Church in the eastern regions was sometimes referred to as the Syrian Church in order to distinguish it from the Roman Church of the west. The true Church’s doctrinal stance was correctly associated with Lucian’s position [described in a later inset] of Antioch, Syria, and labeled accordingly. Sometimes the term “Nestorian” was also used to identify the eastern true Church. Nestorius was a scholar of Syria who opposed the trinity, and the true Church in opposition to the trinity was thus labeled “Nestorian.” Another term often used was the “Church of the East,” although this included a larger set of believers beyond the true Church.

This is the most pathetic attempt at propaganda disguised as Patristic scholarship I have ever seen. Consider Nestorius, for example: he was not opposed to the Trinity, but was rather an avid Trinitarian; his error is that he objected to the Virgin Mary being venerated as Theotokos and to the principle of Communicatio Idiomatum; Nestorian hymns composed by Mar Narsai make a point of differentiating between the divine and human aspects of Jesus Christ, and not in the unitive manner we see in the writings of Ambrose of Milan, but in a manner intended to divide, for it was the consequence of Nestorianism that the Chalcedonian doctrine of hypostatic union be discarded in favor of two hypostases, one human and one divine, united in one human prosopon, so that one could assert that the humanity of our Lord was separate from His divinity. This is in contrast to Chalcedonian and Miaphysite Christology, and the Christology of the Church of the East after the reforms of Mar Babai the Great, in which the humanity and divinity of our Lord are united without change, confusion, separation or division.

But one would not expect members of a cult whose leader sought to deceive Christians, and is thus a Wolf in Sheep’s clothing, to understand such nuances; these people fail even to realize that Nestorius was not Syrian nor a leader of the Syrian church, but rather a Greek, who became the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople.

There was more laughable silliness in the form of claims that we sometimes see on CF.com from the uneducated that Simon Magus founded the Roman Catholic Church, that the Roman Catholic Church was Gnostic, and that the Gnostic Paulicians, Bogomils and Cathars were actually remnants of the true church, despite the fact those sects preserved the doctrines of Gnostic sects like the Marcionites, which this book claims the RCC was descended from. The work also falsely accused Justin Martyr of anti-Semitism, while ludicrously hailing Luther as a Sabbatarian. And the source for much of the anti-Gnostic criticism was obviously Irenaeus of Lyons, as quoted by Eusebius of Caesarea, the former a bishop of the pre-schism Roman Catholic Church! :doh:

While in general I wish the early church had not burned heretical books, reading literary dumpster fires such as this polemical travesty makes me understand why they did it. Although I myself would not have done it, although the more moderate precaution of sealing such books away in libraries, which eventually was extended to include works like the Shepherd of Hermas, seems reasonable particularly in the case of polemics issued by cults which are financially abusive; the Armstrongist churches take a whopping 30% of the income of their followers.
 

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I have no idea, but its published by a different cult.
In 2004 (according to the cited article), the current form of the WCG (n.k.a. Grace Communion International) declared Herbert Armstrong to be a false prophet and a heretic.
 
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In 2004 (according to the cited article), the current form of the WCG (n.k.a. Grace Communion International) declared Herbert Armstrong to be a false prophet and a heretic.

Good. As I said, this was not from that entity, but a different one which claims to be the “faithful remnant” of Armstrongist teaching...
 
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One of the hydra-like offshoots of the “Worldwide Church of God,” which is a non-Christian cult whose beliefs are Arian, Binitarian and Pneumatomacchian, has been advertising on a major Christian website ridiculous book about how to find “the true Church of God,” which I will not link to, lest people who are not well catechized find it and fall for its deceptions, a work which contains absurdities like this:

You dummy! You clicked that link from here! :p (Don't worry... I read it too... SMH)

Personally, I appreciate the "Atheist Singles" ad that shows up. :scratch:
 
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You dummy! You clicked that link from here! :p (Don't worry... I read it too... SMH)

Personally, I appreciate the "Atheist Singles" ad that shows up. :scratch:

Yeah lets face it, I’m a complete dolt and also a dimwit (speaking of which, totally offtopic, have you heard of a certain Floridian police impersonator whose last name resembles dimwit, who did record himself committing felonies on his body cam?).
 
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Pneumatomacchian

Macedonianism | Description, Beliefs, & History

Macedonianism, also called Pneumatomachian heresy, a 4th-century Christian heresy that denied the full personhood and divinity of the Holy Spirit. According to this heresy, the Holy Spirit was created by the Son and was thus subordinate to the Father and the Son. (In orthodox Trinitarian theology, God is one in essence but three in persons—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, who are distinct and equal.) Those who accepted the heresy were called Macedonians but were also and more descriptively known as Pneumatomachians, the “spirit fighters.”

Had to look that one up; sounded like pneumonia probably because "breath" and "spirit" are similar in origin and meaning.
 
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the Armstrongist churches take a whopping 30% of the income of their followers.
You might want to know that 10% is the tithing principle that numerous other trinitarian churches follow from their exegesis of the bible, the second 10% is to be saved mostly for the week long period of the feast of tabernacles for the individual member to spend on themselves (which also is found in the Bible) and the remaining 10% happens every third and sixth year of a seven year cycle. Again found in the Bible.

Considering Jesus complimented the poor widow who gave all that she had to a temple run by priests that had Him crucified. I wouldn't be able to judge whether an individual is doing it in love for the Lord or are they trying to buy their way into the heaven?

It's a complex situation that encompasses about 100 thousand people at that church's height of attendance. Especially after his death and the subsequent tens of dozens of churches that split off eventually. Any of which could even be mainstream or go to dangerous extremes.

An extreme example for one off shoot church (rcg.org) is teaching that donating the sale of their homes to their church is what Christ wants to further the gospel. Given the quote being used, it sounds to me your quoting from David C. Pack and he's the man convincing people to sell all they have. My impression of him, seems like he is on track to becoming a text book example of Matthew 7:22-23.
 
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which cult is this?
It's not a cult anymore in the sense of a single unit. Since Herbert Armstrong's death which at the time was one world wide network of about 100 thousand members. It is now turned into dozens of independent churches due to splits in theological differences. To compound the issue, not all of the splinters believe in the binitarian Godhead of Herbert and some are trinitarian now.

However if you're looking for one resource relevant to the man, you should be able to find most if not all his original writings here (since then several splinter groups have edited his works to align with their theology): Herbert W. Armstrong Searchable Library - Welcome
 
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It's not a cult anymore in the sense of a single unit. Since Herbert Armstrong's death which at the time was one world wide network of about 100 thousand members. It is now turned into dozens of independent churches due to splits in theological differences. To compound the issue, not all of the splinters believe in the binitarian Godhead of Herbert and some are trinitarian now.

However if you're looking for one resource relevant to the man, you should be able to find most if not all his original writings here (since then several splinter groups have edited his works to align with their theology): Herbert W. Armstrong Searchable Library - Welcome

The particular cult behind the dumpster fire of a history book was the “Reformed Church of God” which strikes me as hilarious because arguably the WWCOG is the Reformed one, having purged itself of heresy to become a normal Christian church, and these hold-outs represent the original Armstrongian beliefs.
 
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The particular cult behind the dumpster fire of a history book was the “Reformed Church of God” which strikes me as hilarious because arguably the WWCOG is the Reformed one, having purged itself of heresy to become a normal Christian church, and these hold-outs represent the original Armstrongian beliefs.
Interestingly that is what David Pack with his representation of the RCG would like people to believe. That they are arguably the continuation of the WWCoG whereas the vast majority of the other groups that formed afterwards are not.

They way I see it the WWCoG was non-Trinitarian in their polemic about the nature of God. When it comes to very real destructiveness, it's in the same ballpark as finding pedophilia in the RCC or for that matter, any other faith group within Christianity.
 
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The particular cult behind the dumpster fire of a history book was the “Reformed Church of God” which strikes me as hilarious because arguably the WWCOG is the Reformed one, having purged itself of heresy to become a normal Christian church, and these hold-outs represent the original Armstrongian beliefs.

Actually, it's "The Restored Church of God" and they advertise here on CF!
(I have their ad on my page right now...)
 
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Actually, it's "The Restored Church of God" and they advertise here on CF!
(I have their ad on my page right now...)

i think it was @tampasteve who told me to take a screenshot with a timestamp and file a report in the Member Services Center if it came up again; I myself have not seen it again, but I know the CF.com staff want to do something about it if it crops up.
 
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Actually, it's "The Restored Church of God" and they advertise here on CF!
(I have their ad on my page right now...)

i think it was @tampasteve who told me to take a screenshot with a timestamp and file a report in the Member Services Center if it came up again; I myself have not seen it again, but I know the CF.com staff want to do something about it if it crops up.

Yep, that is correct. We only have a limited amount of control over the businesses advertising on the page. My understanding is that basically it is tied into your (or anyone on your IP, which can be complicated if it is a shared IP address) Google search and browsing habits. Not that you are searching these people particularly, but that you probably search for similar things and Google pixels you to receive the targeted advertisement. I understand that we can submit to have certain businesses not advertise, but we need to know the business, and approximately what time. A screenshot really helps narrow it down.
 
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Yep, that is correct. We only have a limited amount of control over the businesses advertising on the page. My understanding is that basically it is tied into your (or anyone on your IP, which can be complicated if it is a shared IP address) Google search and browsing habits. Not that you are searching these people particularly, but that you probably search for similar things and Google pixels you to receive the targeted advertisement. I understand that we can submit to have certain businesses not advertise, but we need to know the business, and approximately what time. A screenshot really helps narrow it down.

LOL, once on FB, I started getting ads for cross-dressing shops in London. Now, I've never been to London, and as for the other part.... well...

Okay, I had been in a Rocky Horror Picture Show shadow cast in high school, and I think I had looked up if there were any places RHPS was showing one Halloween.
 
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LOL, once on FB, I started getting ads for cross-dressing shops in London. Now, I've never been to London, and as for the other part.... well...

Okay, I had been in a Rocky Horror Picture Show shadow cast in high school, and I think I had looked up if there were any places RHPS was showing one Halloween.
Ha, Facebook algarithms are different....it could have targeted you based on age, location, friends, groups, friends groups, even someone else sharing your IP at the time (if you are not a static IP) etc....but yeah, the targeting is all over the place sometimes.
 
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