The Death and True Resurrection of Jesus.

Bro.T said:

You haven't prove nothing, absolutely nothing! All you have prove is that you want to pick and choose what to believe and what not to believe. That shorten your knowledge in the word of God tremendously. I already prove you can' get three days and three nights From Good Friday to Sunday Morning.

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Bro.T said:

According to the prophet Daniel Jesus rose Saturday daytime, went in the grave wed night. Jesus gave a sign three days and three nights as Jonas was in the belly of the whale three days and three nights, and Daniel back it up. Plus you need to start posting Mark 16: 1-6 first. Then post Mark 16:9 so people can read the full story.

The way you post is kinda deceiving the people.

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HARK! said:

(CLV) Lv 23:32
It is a שבת of שבתון for you, and you will humble your souls. On the ninth day of the month in the evening, from evening until evening shall you cease for your שבת.

Have you ever heard of the fallacy of the undistributed middle?

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HARK! said:

(CLV) Lk 24:1
Now in the early depths of one of the sabbaths, they, and certain others together with them, came onto the tomb, bringing the spices which they make ready.

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Bro.T said:

Let's continue in Mark (15:42) And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation day, that is, the day before the Sabbath, (43) Joseph of Aarimathaea, an honourable counseller, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.
The above scriptures are where the problem lied with the early church trying to interpret the events of the bible. One should take note, that what the majority of modern day Christians practice or follow come directly from the Roman Catholic Church. You had non spiritual people trying to decipher events that were spiritual. Since the scriptures stated, that the preparation day, was the day before the Sabbath, they automatically assumed this event took place on a Friday, because they knew the Lord's Sabbath was from Friday evening to Saturday evening.

That is how they came up with the concept that Jesus died on Friday and He rose early Sunday morning. What they failed to take into account were the Lord's Holy Days or as they are also called High Sabbaths. There are seven yearly Sabbaths, and they, with the exception of Pentecost, can fall on any day of the week. At the beginning of this lesson, it was explained in Leviticus (23:4) that the Passover which is the 14th of the month, is the day before the feast of Unleavened Bread, which is a Holy Day or A High Sabbath. The Passover is sometimes referred as the preparation day because they used this day to prepare for the feast. The Feast of Unleavened Bread is the Sabbath which was being refereed to in Mark 15:42) when it was stated that Joseph craved the body of Jesus. Jesus had been crucified on the Passover and the next day was the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Jesus foretold when His death would occur.

(Matthew 26:1) And it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these sayings, he said unto his disciples, (2) Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.

Now remember God's days start at evening and end the next evening. Keep that in mind as you view the next set of scriptures. Jesus had been betrayed by Judas the evening of the Passover. John 13 tells how Jesus and His disciples, that evening, were sharing the Passover meal. John (18:3) shows that same evening; Jesus was betrayed and taken away. It was still nighttime when they took Jesus, because the men that came and took and bound Him had lanterns and torches.

Jesus was crucified the next day but it was still the Passover. Remember God's days run from sundown to sundown. Jesus had been taken into custody the night of the Passover and the next morning which is the day of the Passover, He was condemned and crucified.

The following verses deomonstrate how Pilate was willing to release Jesus the morning after he had been taken in to custody. It was still the Passover. We all know the Jews refused and Jesus was crucified.

(John 18:39) But ye have a custom, that I should release unto you one at the passover: will ye therefore that I release unto you the King of the Jews? (40) Then cried they all again, saying, Not this man, but Barabbas. Now Barabbas was a robber.

Remember Mark (15:42) Joseph craved the body of Jesus the evening of the Passover. Now one can see that this was towards the end of the Passover.
3 Days And 3 Nights

The scriptures explain how Jesus was in the earth 3 days and 3 nights just as He had foretold.
How It Really Happened

3 Days And 3 Nights
SU M T W TH F S
Days 1 1 1
Nights 1 1 1


In looking at the previous scriptures one should now have a better understanding, as to what took place. Remember Mary did not come to the Grave site until the first day of the week which is Sunday. (John 20:1) "The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulcher", And it was early in the morning and it was still dark. But Jesus had already risen. That's because Jesus went into His grave right before the end of the Passover or Wed. evening. The passing of the Passover brought in the Feast of the Unleavened Bread. So Jesus would Have been in the Grave Wednesday night, Thursday daytime and Thursday night, Friday daytime, Friday night, Saturday daytime and Jesus rose right before the sun went down on Saturday. Hence one has the 3 days and 3 nights which Jesus prophesied.
His death Wednesday night is consistent with the comment of the prophet Daniel, stating the Messiah would be cut off (killed) in the midst of the week.
Daniel 9:26-27 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week (Wednesday is the middle of the week) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, (Remember, Jesus is the sacrificial Passover Lamb).

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ViaCrucis said:

What you share above is something commonly repeated, but is actually not true.

The Christian Feast of Pascha (usually called "Easter" in English) goes about as far back as can be in Christian history. It was universal and ubiquitous among Christians throughout the known world by the mid 2nd century.

When Anicetus was bishop of Rome (157-168 AD) he and Polycarp, bishop of Smyrna met together and discussed many things at length. When they came to the topic of the celebration of Pascha they differed.

In Smyrna and other parts of the Christian East the method to calculate the Feast of Pascha was effectively to simply follow the Jewish calculation of Passover; and so the Christian Paschal Feast occurred on the same day as the Jewish Passover--Nissan 14th. While in Rome, and other parts of the Christian West, as well as in Alexandria the practice was to celebrate the Paschal Feast on the first Sunday after the Jewish Passover.

These two Christian pastors both asserted that the customs of their practice dated back to the Apostles themselves; and they agreed that there was no reason to fight over the matter.

Over time the Quartodeciman tradition (Pascha on Nissan 14th) slowly faded from usage, while other methods of computation, similar to what Rome and Alexandria did, became more common. By the time of the Council of Nicea this method of computation had become nearly universal--with some regional differences. The Council of Nicea, which had gathered chiefly to address the Arian Controversy, also took the time to produce a standardized way to compute the Paschal Feast. They settled on the computation method that was already being used by the Church in Alexandria: The Paschal Feast was to be celebrated on the first Sunday after the Paschal Full Moon (the first full moon after March 21st, the spring equinox in the Northern Hemisphere).

That's why the Paschal Feast this year (2021) is on Sunday, the 4th of April. Because the Paschal Full Moon is March 28th this year. It's a simple way to calculate using things which are ubiquitous in nature--the earth's revolution around the sun and the phases of the moon.

So why is the Paschal Feast--Pascha for short--called "Easter" in English? To that we need to turn to a bit of English and European history.

In the 5th century we get into what historians refer to as the Migration Period, a period of massive migration of Germanic tribes and peoples across Europe. It's the same thing that resulted in the fall of Rome to the Visigoths and Vandals. It's why France is called France and not Gaul. In this period was when the Anglo-Saxon invasions of Britain took place. As Rome pulled out of Britain, the power vaccuum was filled by invading Anglo-Saxons.

After the Anglo-Saxon invasion, they were converted to Christianity by both Irish missionary-monks and missionaries from mainland Europe. A man by the name of Augustine (different Augustine) was sent by the bishop of Rome to establish a diocese in southern Britain--which became the Archdiocese of Canterbury, and to this day the Archbishop of Canterbury is still the spiritual head of the English Church. Under the work of Augustine of Canterbury and the Irish monks the Anglo-Saxons became Christians.

Fast forward several centuries, and we have an Anglo-Saxon monk by the name of Bede writing his possibly most well-known work, On the Reckoning of Time. In a rather brief section in the work he says he felt it was important to discuss how the Anglo-Saxons keep time, and offers the names of the 12 months which the Anglo-Saxons use. He writes that the equivalent Anglo-Saxon month to Roman April was called Eostermonath, which according to Bede gets its name from a goddess named Eostre at one time worshiped by the Anglo-Saxons prior to their conversion to Christianity. But they had long ago abandoned all their pagan practices and now only followed the Christian religion.

And that's it. That's everything Bede has to say about that. And we don't have any other sources. In fact, nobody other than Bede even mentions a goddess named Eostre that was worshipped by the formerly Pagan Anglo-Saxons. Not a single record, no written history, no archeological evidence, nothing. Which has raised the question among many scholars about the possibility that Bede may be wrong--that there was no goddess worshiped by the Anglo-Saxons named Eostre, and so Bede's etymology of Eostermonath was incorrect. It wouldn't be the first time ancient or medieval people were mistaken about the etymology of a word, false etymologies are actually pretty common.

So if Eostre wasn't the name of a goddess, then what could have been the reason for the name Eostermonath? One theory is that it really does just mean something like dawn or dawning month--the month in which the sun has began to rise earlier in the morning each day. By connecting Eostre with old word for "dawn"--like our modern word "east", the direction of the rising sun.

The simple truth of the matter is we don't know, Bede is our only source, and he could be mistaken. But in either case you'll notice that the only thing "pagan" here that could exist is the name "Easter" itself. But worrying about that is like worrying about the fact that the days of the week are named after Roman and Germanic gods (Sun's Day, Moon's Day, Tiw's Day, Woden's Day, Thor's Day, Frigga's Day, Saturn's Day). Or that many of the names of the months are named after Roman gods--January-Janus, May-Maya, June-Juno, etc.

To which we might quote Shakespeare, "A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet."

Call it "Easter", or call it by the more ancient and more universal Pascha, it's the same thing--the Feast of our Lord's Glorious Resurrection from the Dead.

The topic of Christmas is a much more complicated subject, but one which I'd be willing to go into discussion about if you'd be interested.

-CryptoLutheran

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HARK! said:

The words in grey don't appear in the Greek manuscripts.

(CLV) Mt 28:1
Now it is the evening of the sabbaths. At the lighting up into one of the sabbaths came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to behold the sepulcher.

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HARK! said:

(CLV) Lk 24:1
Now in the early depths of one of the sabbaths, they, and certain others together with them, came onto the tomb, bringing the spices which they make ready.

(CLV) Jn 20:1
Now, on one of the sabbaths, Miriam Magdalene is coming to the tomb in the morning, there being still darkness, and is observing the stone taken away from the door of the tomb.

One = μια mia

Protos means first

Of the = των tOn

Sabbaths = σαββατων sabbatOn

Sabbaton plural, not day singular. The word day does not even exist in these verses.

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klutedavid said:

Thayer's Greek Lexicon

b. with a genitive (Winer's Grammar, § 54, 6), ὀψέ σαββάτων, the sabbath having just passed, after the sabbath, i. e.: at the early dawn of the first day of the week — (an interpretation absolutely demanded by the added specification τῇ ἐπιφωσκούσῃ κτλ.), Matthew 28:1 cf. Mark 16:1 (ὀψέ τῶν βασιλέως χρόνων, long after the times of the king, Plutarch, Numbers 1; ὀψέ μυστηρίων, the mysteries being over, Philostr. vit. Apoll. 4, 18); (but an examination of the instances just cited (and others) will show that they fail to sustain the rendering after (although it is recognized by Passow, Pape, Schenkl, and other lexicographers); ὀψέ followed by a genitive seems always to be partitive, denoting late in the period specified by the genitive (and consequently still belonging to it), cf. Buttmann, § 132, 7 Rem.; Kühner, § 414, 5 c. β. Hence, in Matthew, the passage cited 'late on the sabbath'). Keim, iii, p. 552f (English translation, vi., 303f) endeavors to relieve the passage differently (by adopting the Vulg.vesperesabbati, on the evening of the sabbath), but without success. ((Cf. Keil, Comm. über Matth. at the passage.)

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