Should Business Be Forced To Accept Unvaccinated Workers After Sept 1?

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No. Anyone who takes the vaccine has been played as a fool. Anyone requiring it to be taken for employment or interaction are either clueless or tyrannical.

Here's a story. One week ago (Sunday) I read a research article by an immunologist concerning the RNA vaccines and the risk of prions disease. Bottom line, you don't want it. Went to my doctor on Tuesday and told him what I had read from the immunologist, that the vaccine causes sequences in the cells to form that are directly connected to prion disease, that a stem protein is added to the cells which attract zinc, which is actually a catalyst to activate one of the sequences initiating prions (which are 100% fatal). I then asked my doctor what he thought.

He looked at me a moment then stated that he usually doesn't discuss these aspects due the sensitive political nature of today, but since I asked specifically, then he'll answer me. He said everything I said is accurate. They are well aware of the prion threat and they expect thousands or even millions worldwide to die from that threat in the next few years.

Then he said that's not the really bad part, but it's the stem protein itself, which bypasses the body's immune system. If something in nature or some type of bioweapons would come along and be attracted to that stem protein, it could potentially kill every person on the planet who took the vaccine, and there's nothing that could ever be done about it. If someone wanted to depopulate the globe, this is the perfect way to get it done. He then went on to tell me that he would never get it himself and would retire if someone would try to make it mandatory.

After this, I saw stories of how vaccinated people, especially the elderly, were being encouraged to mingle with their families because it's now safe, but prions are contagious and fatal. The vaccinated are now the sick and they put everyone else at risk just by being around them.
I’ve not heard of this and I thank you for writing it out. Do have a source so I can learn more?

Since the stated goal of Gates and others is eliminating much of the worlds population, seems reasonable. I work in neurology and the connection between flu shots and GB disease is known. Many young neurologists in our university hospital refuse the annual flu shot. They know.
 
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I’ve not heard of this and I thank you for writing it out. Do have a source so I can learn more?

Since the stated goal of Gates and others is eliminating much of the worlds population, seems reasonable. I work in neurology and the connection between flu shots and GB disease is known. Many young neurologists in our university hospital refuse the annual flu shot. They know.

This is the research article I referenced.

https://scivisionpub.com/pdfs/covid19-rna-based-vaccines-and-the-risk-of-prion-disease-1503.pdf
 
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No. Anyone who takes the vaccine has been played as a fool. Anyone requiring it to be taken for employment or interaction are either clueless or tyrannical.

Here's a story. One week ago (Sunday) I read a research article by an immunologist concerning the RNA vaccines and the risk of prions disease. Bottom line, you don't want it. Went to my doctor on Tuesday and told him what I had read from the immunologist, that the vaccine causes sequences in the cells to form that are directly connected to prion disease, that a stem protein is added to the cells which attract zinc, which is actually a catalyst to activate one of the sequences initiating prions (which are 100% fatal). I then asked my doctor what he thought.

He looked at me a moment then stated that he usually doesn't discuss these aspects due the sensitive political nature of today, but since I asked specifically, then he'll answer me. He said everything I said is accurate. They are well aware of the prion threat and they expect thousands or even millions worldwide to die from that threat in the next few years.

Then he said that's not the really bad part, but it's the stem protein itself, which bypasses the body's immune system. If something in nature or some type of bioweapons would come along and be attracted to that stem protein, it could potentially kill every person on the planet who took the vaccine, and there's nothing that could ever be done about it. If someone wanted to depopulate the globe, this is the perfect way to get it done. He then went on to tell me that he would never get it himself and would retire if someone would try to make it mandatory.

After this, I saw stories of how vaccinated people, especially the elderly, were being encouraged to mingle with their families because it's now safe, but prions are contagious and fatal. The vaccinated are now the sick and they put everyone else at risk just by being around them.

Do you know where this study was published? I ask this because the "study" is a group of claims without any support and was written by an anti-vaxxer, J. Bart Classen, MD. It was also only written about the Pfizer vaccine, he gives no indication if it also applies to the Moderna, much less the Johnson and Johnson vaccines. Granted, that alone doesn't make the claim untrue but, given his previously questionable claims, it would be nice to see a peer review of his claims.
 
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What is hard to find is statics on death, facial palsy or other dangerous reactions from the vaccine.
There's lots of safety data available already, if you were actually interested.
Those are all attributed to having no connection to the vaccine. It’s assumed it would have happened anyway no matter what.
Absolute nonsense. The incidence of adverse events in vaccinated folk is carefully compared to the incidence in the unvaccinated. No assumptions. Would you like to learn how the safety monitoring of vaccines is done? Try these:
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-01/06-COVID-Shimabukuro.pdf

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/m...des-2021-02/28-03-01/05-covid-Shimabukuro.pdf
 
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Then that adult needs to take the vaccine to protect themselves. That’s how it ought to operate..

I agree.

However, society should have the right to force this individual to vaccinate or be barred from public spaces.
 
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There's lots of safety data available already, if you were actually interested. Absolute nonsense. The incidence of adverse events in vaccinated folk is carefully compared to the incidence in the unvaccinated. No assumptions. Would you like to learn how the safety monitoring of vaccines is done? Try these:
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-01/06-COVID-Shimabukuro.pdf

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/m...des-2021-02/28-03-01/05-covid-Shimabukuro.pdf
The Danish and a few other European countries I believe are withdrawing using one Vaccine due to blood clots. The manufacturer said it wasn’t an issue during the trials. Same with other responses. They claim there wasn’t a link.

One has to realize a lot of money is at stake here.
 
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Yes, the owner is tyrannical. That isn't the question. The question is whether the owner of a business should be allowed to require that all his employees be vaccinated.

If they cannot, then this is government intrusion on the employer, which we certainly allow under certain circumstances. Should the owner of a meat packing plant be forced to have unvaccinated workers?

No. Anyone who takes the vaccine has been played as a fool. Anyone requiring it to be taken for employment or interaction are either clueless or tyrannical.
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I agree.

However, society should have the right to force this individual to vaccinate or be barred from public spaces.
Why? What if they suffer a debilitating neurological disease from the vaccine? The effectiveness is sometimes said to be only 50-70% until 2 months later. Why do people have to take a risk so other people don’t have to do so?

Tyranny!
 
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Why? What if they suffer a debilitating neurological disease from the vaccine? The effectiveness is sometimes said to be only 50-70% until 2 months later. Why do people have to take a risk so other people don’t have to do so?

Terrible tyranny!!! Big pharma decides who has to risk getting neurological diseases and pay for it too!!



The government apparently has a new right. The government can require employers to hire folks who have not been vaccinated for disease. This is a new government power.

With regard to the individual decision to take the vaccine. That is up to the individual as always. For example, in NY a mother certainly has a right to keep her child from being vaccinated. However, that child has no RIGHT to attend school.

AFTER COVID VACCINES have final approval, vaccinations will be required by the military. Are you suggesting that the government should have no such ability and that those not vaccinated should be allowed to serve on say ships? Should employers on cruise ships be forced to hire those not vaccinated?
 
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Yes, the owner is tyrannical. That isn't the question. The question is whether the owner of a business should be allowed to require that all his employees be vaccinated.

If they cannot, then this is government intrusion on the employer, which we certainly allow under certain circumstances. Should the owner of a meat packing plant be forced to have unvaccinated workers?
Should we force banks to hire former prisoners because you know, they want to eat too!! Shall we force employers to hire illegal aliens? Is there anything the government ought not force employers to do? How about forcing them to cut wages 50% so they can hire more people?
 
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The government apparently has a new right. The government can require employers to hire folks who have not been vaccinated for disease. This is a new government power.

With regard to the individual decision to take the vaccine. That is up to the individual as always. For example, in NY a mother certainly has a right to keep her child from being vaccinated. However, don't that child has no RIGHT to attend school.
That means she has no rights at all. Next is the government saying you get no essentials for living if you don’t risk your health in ways they choose. Wow, that people say give me safety from a virus even if it removes all freedoms!
AFTER COVID VACCINES have final approval, vaccinations will be required by the military. Are you suggesting that the government should have no such ability and that those not vaccinated should be allowed to serve on say ships? Should employers on cruise ships be forced to hire those not vaccinated?
Hey, let’s give the government power to remove all freedoms as long as a flu virus doesn’t get us. Of course people vaccinated get the covid too but don’t tell the masses.

And you ought to know that the government has ALWAYS had the right to force companies not to
make a vaccination a requirement of employment. It’s not at all new. What is new is people insisting companies insist on people taking a personal health risk to be employed. That is new. No vaccine is complexly safe. None. And flu vaccines are the worst. Some governments have funds you can obtain if you or your child are damaged FROM A VACCINE!
 
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Do you know where this study was published?
It wasn't - well at least in a real journal. It was published in a "predatory" journal not indexed in Pubmed, a journal where you simply pay them and they'll publish it. Unfortunately, there are quite a number of journals like these, and it's easy for the gullible - and our antivaxx friends here are quite gullible indeed - to fall for them.

For a lengthy critique of the article, try here:Can mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines cause prion disease or Alzheimer’s?
An excerpt:
How did Classen “evaluate the potential to convert TDP-43 and or FUS to their prion based disease causing states.” No, seriously, exactly how did he do that? He doesn’t say. Sure, he claims to have “analyzed” the mRNA sequence encoding the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein that was used in the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine to induce cells to encode the protein to be used as the vaccine’s antigen, but he didn’t say how he did that. Classen appears to be leading readers to believe that he did some sort of bioinformatics analysis of the nucleotide sequence of the mRNA used in Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine, but details matter. Nowhere is there a figure showing the alignments of the sequences that he allegedly found that can “activate” TDP-43 and FUS. Nowhere in the paper is a description of the specific algorithms used to produce these claimed “alignments”. Nowhere is there a description of the methodology used or the analysis of the “goodness of fit” for the sequences that he claims to have identified that align with prion “activating” proteins. Nowhere is there a description of the controls, such as normal RNA sequences that contain the relevant sequences, which are common, so common as to be ubiquitous.
The paper is pure fiction.
 
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The government apparently has a new right. The government can require employers to hire folks who have not been vaccinated for disease. This is a new government power.

With regard to the individual decision to take the vaccine. That is up to the individual as always. For example, in NY a mother certainly has a right to keep her child from being vaccinated. However, don't that child has no RIGHT to attend school.

AFTER COVID VACCINES have final approval, vaccinations will be required by the military. Are you suggesting that the government should have no such ability and that those not vaccinated should be allowed to serve on say ships? Should employers on cruise ships be forced to hire those not vaccinated?
I’m very sorry for the health issues the military got from vaccinations but they signed away their freedom from health and bodily harm. They got no rights anymore.
 
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Should the owner of a meat packing plant be forced to have unvaccinated workers?

Absolutely. Vaccination status isn't a requirement for employment eligibility in this country. But this is a time of deep lies and tyranny, so I wouldn't be surprised if they try to get away with it.
 
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Again, dying of measles was UNHEARD OF when we got it and then had life long immunity naturally. No one was alarmed if their child got measles. No one was afraid. It was actually considered normal.
Doctors are concerned when a pregnant woman catches Rubella/German measles, not because she might die but because this disease causes many birth defects in unborn babies. MMR - R for Rubella
Rubella and pregnancy
 
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Do you know where this study was published? I ask this because the "study" is a group of claims without any support and was written by an anti-vaxxer, J. Bart Classen, MD. It was also only written about the Pfizer vaccine, he gives no indication if it also applies to the Moderna, much less the Johnson and Johnson vaccines. Granted, that alone doesn't make the claim untrue but, given his previously questionable claims, it would be nice to see a peer review of his claims.

My verification was my own doctor affirming the claims, and when stating the awareness of the issue, he repeatedly used the word 'we'. Go ask your doctor.

On a side note, willingly allowing someone to add that spike protein to your body is as reckless as it gets. Trading a risk with a virus where the survival rate is extremely high for a 'vaccine' carrying a potential death sentence, stupid, so extremely stupid.
 
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Doctors are concerned when a pregnant woman catches Rubella/German measles, not because she might die but because this disease causes many birth defects in unborn babies. MMR - R for Rubella
Rubella and pregnancy
Same when she gets Toxoplasmosis. And....
 
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My verification was my own doctor affirming the claims, and when stating the awareness of the issue, he repeatedly used the word 'we'. Go ask your doctor.

On a side note, willingly allowing someone to add that spike protein to your body is as reckless as it gets. Trading a risk with a virus where the survival rate is extremely high for a 'vaccine' carrying a potential death sentence, stupid, so extremely stupid.
What can be said without question is that NO ONE knows what this vaccine might do to the human body years down the line. NO ONE!! No one can guarantee that there are not going to be grave consequences. No politician can promise that this is not a huge mistake.
 
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People's "rights" to swing their fist ends at my nose, and people's "right" to not partake in masks and vaccinations ends at my immune system. Certain people here like to scream about their "rights" until they suffer serious consequences, and then feel like everyone else should be forced to partake in their recklessness. What about our rights not to hire or work with walking petri dishes? Your "rights" aren't more important then ours and you aren't special. The world does not revolve around you.

I wish people would stop talking about peoples freedom and health as if they are some disagreement like chocolate vs vanilla. You risking MY life and the people around me is not a "disagreement"... it's narcissism and self absorbed in the extreme.

More to the point, people don't have the "right" to force the rest of society to participate in their alternative reality. They certainly don't have the "right" to make the rest of us sick so they can live in a fantasy world of shady cabals, conspiracies, anti-science and other delusional thinking.
 
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