Should Business Be Forced To Accept Unvaccinated Workers After Sept 1?

We should be emulating a man who says, "Love God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength, and love others as yourself," not a cartoon child who says, "Whateva! I do what I want!"

there should always be exemptions for valid medical issues, but otherwise I have no problem with it being required.

mark46 said:

I am presuming that vaccines will be available to everyone long before Labor Day. I presume that the 3 vaccines will be given final approval.
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I am not discussing children or the military. States have well established rules with regard to school children. The military has its own rules.
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I suspect the federal government will set the rules for transportation (buses, trains, cruise ships, airplanes).
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THE WORKPLACE
1) Consider that Fidelity owns a building and has 1000 employees with. Should they be able to require that all their employees have a COVID vaccine. How about a measles vaccine? Their argument would be that they wish to establish a safer work environment for workers and for customers. They would like to advertise that everyone within has up-to-date vaccinations.

2) Is your answer the same for beauty parlors? for meat packing houses? For Home Depot?

3) With regard to customers, should a restaurant (or any of the above) have the right to exclude anyone that is not vaccinated. I don't see this the same as being required to make cakes for anyone that comes.
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TYPHOID MARY
What rights do the people have, through their government to prevent those with communicable disease from entering any public space? Or those who potentially have disease (say folks not vaccinated against measles).

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How do those at the entrance know who has such a disease?

I had to laugh at the measles example. In my childhood we all got measles and we all recovered nicely. I hear having measles aids in preventing leukemia. Vaccines have risks. They aren’t the answer to all health issues.

Dorothy Mae said:

How do those at the entrance know who has such a disease?

I had to laugh at the measles example. In my childhood we all got measles and we all recovered nicely. I hear having measles aids in preventing leukemia. Vaccines have risks. They aren’t the answer to all health issues.

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you may have survived, but many did not. similar to covid, measles did not have a high mortality rate, but instead dealt death through the sheer number of people it infected.

in 1980 measles killed as many as covid, despite a smaller global population. vaccinations droooed this from over 2 milliom a year to only 73,000.


evidence of it preventing leukemia has not been verified and leukemia kills less than a fifth of the people that measles did.

Vylo said:

you may have survived, but many did not. similar to covid, measles did not have a high mortality rate, but instead dealt death through the sheer number of people it infected.

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I doubt measles has a high mortality rate in modern countries. And I just didn’t survive, the whole school did. No one died. It was fairly harmless. Bronchitis was worse.

in 1980 measles killed as many as covid, despite a smaller global population. vaccinations droooed this from over 2 milliom a year to only 73,000.

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Odd since the vaccine came out in 1968. Since you mention global, do the stats come from poor undeveloped countries who cannot properly care for the sick no matter how harmless the disease?

evidence of it preventing leukemia has not been verified and leukemia kills less than a fifth of the people that measles did.

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Again, the measles vaccine was developed in 1968. How comes measles killed so many in 1980??

Again, dying of measles was UNHEARD OF when we got it and then had life long immunity naturally. No one was alarmed if their child got measles. No one was afraid. It was actually considered normal.

mark46 said:

Measles is a dangerous disease for adults.
When I was a child, we were all purposely exposed to the measles.

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Most childhood diseases are dangerous for adults. But adults aren’t the ones they vacvinate.

mark46 said:

Measles is relatively harmless for children and teens. It is a dangerous disease for adults. That is the reason I used the example. Having someone who has not had the vaccine could be a very serious situation among adults who don't have immunity.

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Then that adult needs to take the vaccine to protect themselves. That’s how it ought to operate. it’s foolish to blame another for the vulnerable not arming themselves. It’s like fear of man but instead of their opinion you make one responsible for the health of another despite how that other lives. Foolish!

mark46 said:

Measles is a dangerous disease for adults. Anyone without immunity should be vaccinated. Of course, most of you all were vaccinated as children. We were exposed to the disease.

va53_2017-adult-immunization-schedule.pdf (immunize.org)

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Personally, I’m glad I was. Vaccines are not risk free. I had Covid too and I’m glad if that too. I have immunity and likely better than the vaccine gives although I haven’t found studies that show the endurance of vaccine generated immunity. Not much time to look, I admit.

Personally. I don't want to be around person refusing to take COVID-19 vaccinations. I should have the right to not be around idiots refusing to take COVID -19 vaccination. So I don't want idiots, trying to danger my life . Of course they should be fired.

mark46 said:

THE WORKPLACE
1) Consider that Fidelity owns a building and has 1000 employees with. Should they be able to require that all their employees have a COVID vaccine.

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No.

How about a measles vaccine?

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1 disease at a time thanks

2) Is your answer the same for beauty parlors? for meat packing houses? For Home Depot?

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Yes.

3) With regard to customers, should a restaurant (or any of the above) have the right to exclude anyone that is not vaccinated.

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No.

The 1st gen COVID vaccines are designed to prevent disease, not infection. If a bunch of anti vaxxers want to play stupidity suicide roulette, I think they should be allowed to do so.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

Personally. I don't want to be around person refusing to take COVID-19 vaccinations. I should have the right to not be around idiots refusing to take COVID -19 vaccination. So I don't want idiots, trying to danger my life . Of course they should be fired.

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If you’re lucky enough to be around people who’ve recovered from Covid, it’s the best of all. Otherwise you can yourself get the shots and you don’t need to call those who don’t „idiots” because you’re protected. Of course if you suffer neurological effects from the vaccine, who actually was the “idiot” in the matter might look different.

Tanj said:

The 1st gen COVID vaccines are designed to prevent disease, not infection. If a bunch of anti vaxxers want to play stupidity suicide roulette, I think they should be allowed to do so.

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Those willing to take the risks ought to be free to do so. The vaccine is not risk free. Not doing is also not risk free. I just wish some would practice kindness instead of insulting those they don’t agree with.

About the same % of those who get the Covid disease die as in yearly flu. Runs around 2%. That’s the risk of dying in general.

I just can’t be afraid of a 2% risk enough to call others nasty names. Maybe I’ve faced worse risks.

Dorothy Mae said:

Those willing to take the risks ought to be free to do so.

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That's what I said.

The vaccine is not risk free.

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It's 1000000000 time less risker than the virus.

Not doing is also not risk free. I just wish some would practice kindness instead of insulting those they don’t agree with.

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I see no reason to reward this behaviour with kindness.

About the same % of those who get the Covid disease die as in yearly flu. Runs around 2%. That’s the risk of dying in general.

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None of that is true.

I just can’t be afraid of a 2% risk enough to call others nasty names. Maybe I’ve faced worse risks.

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Were they made up risks like your imaginary statistics?

Tanj said:

That's what I said.

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Good, we agree.

It's 1000000000 time less risker than the virus.

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From whence comes this number? You make it up?

I see no reason to reward this behaviour with kindness.

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I guess we don’t agree. I treat those who do actual moral wrong with kindness. Those who see risk in the vaccine and refuse the risk do no wrong at all. But I’m a Christian and called to show mercy to the undeserving.

None of that is true.

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It absolutely true. Just look at the numbers and do the math.

Were they made up risks like your imaginary statistics?

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Very insulting.

I do the math and read from those doing the math. Never heard anyone say any different. Dying of Covid, if you get it, is about 2.6%. I’ve heard the chance of getting it with mild to no symptoms is around 90% but that IS rumor. That I cannot verify.

Do you want the numbers? I’m looking at the raw numbers and do the math myself. I recommend it.

What is hard to find is statics on death, facial palsy or other dangerous reactions from the vaccine. Those are all attributed to having no connection to the vaccine. It’s assumed it would have happened anyway no matter what.

mark46 said:

I am presuming that vaccines will be available to everyone long before Labor Day. I presume that the 3 vaccines will be given final approval.
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I am not discussing children or the military. States have well established rules with regard to school children. The military has its own rules.
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I suspect the federal government will set the rules for transportation (buses, trains, cruise ships, airplanes).
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THE WORKPLACE
1) Consider that Fidelity owns a building and has 1000 employees with. Should they be able to require that all their employees have a COVID vaccine. How about a measles vaccine? Their argument would be that they wish to establish a safer work environment for workers and for customers. They would like to advertise that everyone within has up-to-date vaccinations.

2) Is your answer the same for beauty parlors? for meat packing houses? For Home Depot?

3) With regard to customers, should a restaurant (or any of the above) have the right to exclude anyone that is not vaccinated. I don't see this the same as being required to make cakes for anyone that comes.
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TYPHOID MARY
What rights do the people have, through their government to prevent those with communicable disease from entering any public space? Or those who potentially have disease (say folks not vaccinated against measles).

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No. Anyone who takes the vaccine has been played as a fool. Anyone requiring it to be taken for employment or interaction are either clueless or tyrannical.

Here's a story. One week ago (Sunday) I read a research article by an immunologist concerning the RNA vaccines and the risk of prions disease. Bottom line, you don't want it. Went to my doctor on Tuesday and told him what I had read from the immunologist, that the vaccine causes sequences in the cells to form that are directly connected to prion disease, that a stem protein is added to the cells which attract zinc, which is actually a catalyst to activate one of the sequences initiating prions (which are 100% fatal). I then asked my doctor what he thought.

He looked at me a moment then stated that he usually doesn't discuss these aspects due the sensitive political nature of today, but since I asked specifically, then he'll answer me. He said everything I said is accurate. They are well aware of the prion threat and they expect thousands or even millions worldwide to die from that threat in the next few years.

Then he said that's not the really bad part, but it's the stem protein itself, which bypasses the body's immune system. If something in nature or some type of bioweapons would come along and be attracted to that stem protein, it could potentially kill every person on the planet who took the vaccine, and there's nothing that could ever be done about it. If someone wanted to depopulate the globe, this is the perfect way to get it done. He then went on to tell me that he would never get it himself and would retire if someone would try to make it mandatory.

After this, I saw stories of how vaccinated people, especially the elderly, were being encouraged to mingle with their families because it's now safe, but prions are contagious and fatal. The vaccinated are now the sick and they put everyone else at risk just by being around them.