The Bible Doesn't Contain Everything

RDKirk said:

You said that God was part of His creation. He is not part of His creation.

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friend of said:

But He's omnipresent. So... yeah

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Thomas White said:

God created it. It is His. Is it not a part of Him?

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God is spirit (John 4:24).

Pantheism declares that only God exists; everything is God. This blatantly contradicts many core concepts presented in the Bible. God explicitly says He is not the same thing as man (Numbers 23:19), the universe is a created thing (Genesis 1:1), man is made in His image (Genesis 1:27), and so forth. Scripture describes man and God speaking to each other (Genesis 3:9–10; Exodus 3:4–5), God judging man (Isaiah 2:4; 33:22), and God separating Himself from certain beings (Revelation 20:12–15). The entire concept of prayer implies there is an “other” to hear the prayer (Matthew 6:9). This is why true pantheists do not pray; they meditate, since pantheism denies there is an “other” with whom to communicate.

Source:
What is Christian pantheism? | GotQuestions.org

Thomas White said:

I am not saying that at all. I am saying that scientific discovery reveals the secrets of the natural universe. Math is the language God left us in the natural order of existence. Why would we not want to understand that language?

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Scientific discovery shows mankind what is now. Taking known facts and using them to assume things about the past is mankinds arrogance at its finest. Rocks do not come with a label saying "I am 4 billion years old" They simply test them for elements and then assume an age based on this. Just because we know the decay rate now does not mean we can reliably age things. Mankind does not know how God created or what amount of elements may have formed at creation or if the decay rate has always been what it is now. These are assumptions. Assumptions can be wrong but you have already assumed they are correct. Then after believing that man is correct you have reinterpreted God's word to fit mans discoveries claiming it was God who told us such things. If even one such 'fact' changes in time then what? Did God changed his mind? Was God wrong? No of course not, it was man who was wrong... which is exactly my point, mankind gets things wrong.

Do you know how often science made a claim to be proven wrong later by others? And these were in areas that could reliably be tested and repeated, not the origin of the universe. For example Thalidomide was a safe drug to take for morning sickness-only it wasn't and babies were born without arms and legs was the result.

Thomas White said:

God created it. It is His. Is it not a part of Him?

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The universe is not a part of God. At best, it reflects Him in part to varying degrees, but it is not a part of Him.

Besides that, you still have not answered the question. Name one thing that can be known about God from the universe that is not in the scriptures?

RDKirk said:

Gravity is not God. Gravity is a creation of God. Colossians 1:17 is speaking of God's will, expressed in creation by Christ, continually holding all things together. It's not talking about gravity.

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Ya...same thing. And the Strong force.

Gravity is definitely God's breath.

Psalm 33:6
By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, and by the breath of his mouth all their host.

Psalm 19:1
To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.

Isaiah 40:26
Lift up your eyes on high and see: who created these? He who brings out their host by number, calling them all by name, by the greatness of his might, and because he is strong in power not one is missing.

Isaiah 40:22
It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;

Romans 1:19-20
For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

Psalm 33:6
By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, and by the breath of his mouth all their host.

Thomas White said:

I honestly have no response to this other than to say: Yes, you are right. I am literally laughing out loud at the moment. My wife is looking at me as though I am crazy.

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There is this force, that the farther away you are, the stronger the force.
It's called the Strong force. It's not a natural force....but it is a natrual force.
Why is it a natural force? Just because it exists. Because it exists we call it "Natural".
But we all know forces don't increase with distance. Except for the Strong force, of course.

And gravity. Because things exist, they are attracted to each other and have gravity. There is no such thing as the attraction between two masses.....except there is. We call it "Gravity" It's not a force, in the normal sense, but yet there it is. Things are being held together, just because they exist and for no real other reason. Gravity is something that Just is.

And everyone wants to not call it God or a miracle or even spooky.

Genesis 1:1-31
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness.

Gravity.

Thomas White said:

Before I reply fully, let me make sure I understand: You believe that psychology is a way to make the world ignore demon possessions?

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Not exactly. It is the tool used to make the masses think demons are not real. That it is a condition all in the persons mind, and that their own " psyche" and subconscious creates any " voices " they hear or entities they experience. They are told by science that medication is the answer, or electroshock therapy, or they have been given frontal lobotomies. Psychology tells them there are no such things as demons, and that THEIR OWN BRAIN is the demon. The masses have believed this, and 9 out of 10 times, anyone who believes they might be possessed is asked, " Have you seen a Psychiatrist? You might need some medication." because no one believes demons are real! Jesus was not lying to us. Just because psychology had not been discovered yet is irrelevant. If these were disturbances only of the mind, Jesus would have told us that. He told us this was something different.

For those who are according to the flesh mind the things of the flesh; but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace, Romans 8:5-6

For who hath known the mind of the Lord? Or who hath been His counselor?” Romans 11:34

That kind of sounds like psychiatry to me! At least an understanding of it! Yet people are dismissed as crazy, having a screw loose or are a "whack job" if they mention being disturbed by a demon, and the person feels isolated, alone and crazy, while being terrified of something he cannot see, does not know how to fight, and that no one believes, helps or understands. At Mental health.com, ( which is a science website) it says
Mental health problems – you may hear voices as a symptom of some mental health problems, including psychosis, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, schizoaffective disorder or severe depression.

That's it?? See my point? Why is the obvious or the Supernatural not listed? Because science tells us it does not exist. Am I wrong?

sawdust said:

Name me one thing you can find about abut God that is not in the scriptures?

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I am not trying to argue, and it is not Biblical, but I found the writing, " Trimorphic Protennoia" to be fascinating and for the most part in line with Biblical teaching and then some. People can label it whatever they want, it is still worth reading and is far more enlightening and profound than anyone of today's time could have come up with on their own. It was inspired from somewhere because it contains information that is otherworldly, spiritual, and something to consider. I know it is dangerous to look outside the Bible, but I am not saying build a shrine for it, but read it and see what the Holy Spirit tells you about it. Take what you want from it and leave the rest. It's worth reading.

Thomas White said:

If it is not part of Him, then what is it a part of?

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Honestly? Is that how you want to play? Deflect with a question while refusing to answer mine? If you relied more on scripture to know God you would know the answer to your own question.

What is interesting among christians is how the word universe (sciences version) is used about God's creation. When there is not one single time in the Bible where it is stated that God created a universe, but again and again the Bible states God created heaven and earth.

Just a continual bringing in of science fabrication's and forcing them into The Bible. Try really reading Genesis 1.

Thomas White said:

So many Christians close themselves off to God by refusing to look beyond the pages of scripture. God is infinite. His Truth is infinite. The universe is ever-expanding. Based on these facts alone, the Bible cannot contain everything. There is so much more about God that we simply do not know. Scientific discovery is simply God revealing more of Himself to us. We hurt ourselves and the Church by refusing to look for God in everyday life.

Thoughts?!

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It is sufficient, not exhaustive. It reveals to us the keys to the universe but it is not the universe. What it says helps, guides, instructs, comforts, and inspires. Without it, we cannot answer the biggest questions but it does not answer all questions. It is the best selling book of all time because it is the best foundation on which to base a life.

coffee4u said:

Scientific discovery shows mankind what is now. Taking known facts and using them to assume things about the past is mankinds arrogance at its finest. Rocks do not come with a label saying "I am 4 billion years old" They simply test them for elements and then assume an age based on this. Just because we know the decay rate now does not mean we can reliably age things. Mankind does not know how God created or what amount of elements may have formed at creation or if the decay rate has always been what it is now. These are assumptions. Assumptions can be wrong but you have already assumed they are correct. Then after believing that man is correct you have reinterpreted God's word to fit mans discoveries claiming it was God who told us such things. If even one such 'fact' changes in time then what? Did God changed his mind? Was God wrong? No of course not, it was man who was wrong... which is exactly my point, mankind gets things wrong.

Do you know how often science made a claim to be proven wrong later by others? And these were in areas that could reliably be tested and repeated, not the origin of the universe. For example Thalidomide was a safe drug to take for morning sickness-only it wasn't and babies were born without arms and legs was the result.

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As one Christian sedimentary geologist put it, "Christians worship science."

d taylor said:

What is interesting among christians is how the word universe (sciences version) is used about God's creation. When there is not one single time in the Bible where it is stated that God created a universe, but again and again the Bible states God created heaven and earth.

Just a continual bringing in of science fabrication's and forcing them into The Bible. Try really reading Genesis 1.

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Yes they forced "universe" into...

1Co 4:9
Eph 4:10
Heb 1:2
Heb 11:3

....total mistranslations. Very convenient to fit the Bible around our views, not our views around the Bible.

d taylor said:

No the problem is christians are believing men of science over God's information He has provided about His creation.

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Some do, yes, which are likely the same types that just believe anything some smooth talking preacher says, even though it's not Biblical, what Lord Jesus called a "hireling" in John 10.

Thomas White said:

God's Word covers it all? It covers thermodynamics? The function of regression analysis? Gravity?

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Yes, He covers it all...

Job 26:7-14
7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

8 He bindeth up the waters in his thick clouds; and the cloud is not rent under them.

9 He holdeth back the face of his throne, and spreadeth his cloud upon it.

10 He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end.

11 The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof.

12 He divideth the sea with his power, and by his understanding he smiteth through the proud.

13 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.

14 Lo, these are parts of his ways: but how little a portion is heard of him? but the thunder of his power who can understand?
KJV

Could man's science have done that above?

There is all I really need to know in the Bible which is knowing Jesus Christ as Savior, strive to keep His commandments so that by grace through faith we may have eternal life.

d taylor said:

What is interesting among Christians is how the word universe (sciences version) is used about God's creation. When there is not one single time in the Bible where it is stated that God created a universe, but again and again the Bible states God created heaven and earth.

Just a continual bringing in of science fabrication's and forcing them into The Bible. Try really reading Genesis 1.

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Hmm. Can do.

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.

Yes, God created the Earth and the entire Cosmos.

SkyWriting said:

Hmm. Can do.

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.

Yes, God created the Earth and the entire Cosmos.

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Ok so you can add cosmos into Genesis.

If it is as you say, then why did God place the sun, moon and stars in the raqia that was created above the earth. If there is a comos where the sun, moon and stars are thousand, millions and trillions miles away where is it in the Bible. I will tell you, only in christians science imagination.

Then also why does Psalms 19 say that this same raqia Shows Gods handiwork being the sun, moon and stars.

Ezekiel was given a view of heaven and the Messiah, all he had to do was lookup through the raqia.

Paul states God is not far away and he should know, he was taken to the third heaven.