Parallels of abortion and slavery...meme format

98cwitr said:

Some have shown a pride in committing sexually immoral sin without the requirement of having to reap the consequences.

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Said no one ever. Is that it? People enjoy the sec they had that produced a pregnancy and that translates into “delight” in abortion? What’s the point of making such a ridiculous claim? Isn’t it enough to say abortion is a sin and a horrible thing? Why do you have to make up the nonsense that people delight in it?

98cwitr said:

Some have shown a pride in committing sexually immoral sin without the requirement of having to reap the consequences.

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Ah yes, what this is really about, wanting people to suffer for not abiding by your sexual morality.

"If you are pro-choice, you delight in abortion" "Abortion is the same as killing random children in a playground" "If you drown your 2 year old, because you felt you couldnt raise them anymore, you've had an abortion".... "If you have an abortion, you must believe slavery is ok too."

These are very unsound arguments that can actually hinder the saving of the unborn. For it forces us to focus on how unsound your arguments are and not about how to save the unborn.

If you have to make such wild claims to support the unborn, it might be better to leave the saving of the unborn to others.

Desk trauma said:

Ah yes, what this is really about, wanting people to suffer for not abiding by your sexual morality.

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Yes, but, only a minority of people suffer by the analogy brought forth in this thread.......and only about half of those, even have the ability to have children/abortions.

The question is, why does the writer wish to cause suffering to this whole/small group of people.....and to only this group?

98cwitr said:

Not true. I've seen "celebrating my abortion" posts on social media.

Would you like examples?

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And you believe all the fabricated clickbait and jibber-jabber that’s posted on social media? It’s the absolute last place I’d look for reliable information. I was a health care provider for 40+ years. I’m not an OB-GYN, and I’ve never performed an abortion. But I’ve had a dozen or so patients who’ve terminated pregnancies. Not one treated it like having her nails done. It’s an extremely difficult decision that no woman takes lightly. Thinking otherwise, is pejorative, patronizing, and just dead wrong.

Conflating decriminalization of abortion with slavery is a specious false equivalence. A slave is not attached to another person’s body, and doesn’t make a direct physiologic demand on that person’s heart, lungs, kidneys, GI tract and other organ systems. If anything, the a pregnant woman has more in common with a slave. Pregnancy is not slavery. But the mother’s body, i.e., her uterus and vital organs are working to support one who is yet unborn. As I see it, this requires her consent. And to me, the fact that a woman became pregnant doesn’t necessarily mean that she consents to relinquish her bodily autonomy for a full 9 months. I’m not saying that she can revoke consent and terminate her pregnancy at any time. But—for legal purposes—there should be a compromise. Just divide the usual 40 week pregnancy in half. Up to 20 weeks, abortion is left as a private medical decision between a woman and her physician. After 20 weeks, the state can restrict abortion to medical reasons only. This is fair and reasonable.

RaymondG said:

These are very unsound arguments that can actually hinder the saving of the unborn. For it forces us to focus on how unsound your arguments are and not about how to save the unborn.

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Of course. Because then we'd have to talk about how the research shows that comprehensive sex ed, readily available contraception for teens, monetary support for mothers and a sane laws about family leave are the things that really help. But for some reason those are opposed by the same political party which also tries to use abortion as an issue to get low information voters to elect them.

Bad memes are bad.

Who owns the umbilical cord, the woman or the unborn?

If it's the woman's, she should have the right to cut it. If the unborn, she has the right to have it detached from her, because no human being has the right to attach themself to her without permission. That's especially true if the unborn is not a human being (which it's not).

Arc F1 said:

How can you love someone and not do everything possible to save them?

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Like refugees and children stolen away from their parents, or the poor, or the hungry, or gay people, or trans people, or black communities being harassed by murderous cops?

-CryptoLutheran

Dont like abortions? Dont have one.

Interesting that you compare abortion rights to slaver’s rights when it’s the anti-abortionists who wish to conscript the labor and bodily functions of a woman to force her to carry a pregnancy to term. Have you no shame? This is the ethics and morality forum. Try to be a little more ethical.

Men don't know when a woman is pregnant....so the pro-life point is mute.
Others are not involved in the decision.

98cwitr said:

The reciprocal is true as well: How can one claim to care for those they can see, but delight in the evil of seeing the unborn murdered?

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Not only do we not watch, but we will for all eternity, not know when a woman is pregnant.
Nor can we outsiders ever be considered in the dialogue of the mother's decision without being asked.
It's not as if all pregnant woman are taken custody and you get to consider the outcome from outside the jail bars.

98cwitr said:

One does not need ovaries to know the difference between good and evil.

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Good and evil are meaningless terms.

98cwitr said:

One does not need ovaries to know the difference between good and evil.

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A woman doesn't know when another woman is pregnant.
No outsiders are ever informed of a pregnancy condition or a pregnancy decision.
Children have babies and their parents are not even aware they were pregnant.
You don't know the difference between good and evil for other people.
That's why we have court systems, so we can GUESS what is good and evil for other people. We include a jury to guess what is right and wrong for others and of course it is only partially accurate.

There is no point judging others based on what we are clueless about anyway.

Lina Marcela Medina de Jurado (Spanish pronunciation: [ˈlina meˈðina]; born 23 September 1933)[1] is a Peruvian woman who became the youngest confirmed mother in history when she gave birth aged five years, seven months, and 21 days.

So a 5 year old female gives birth. Is that good or evil?

VirOptimus said:

Good and evil are meaningless terms.

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Then get a dictionary and look them up silly.