Carl Emerson
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A word of knowledge is different than a prophecy though.
What point are you making?
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A word of knowledge is different than a prophecy though.
Until there is unity of doctrine, every revival will be interrupted before it can complete it's work.
I was praying for the US presidential election, so absolutely yes.Are you sure you know what He meant?
Nebuchadnezzar was also the Lord's "trump card."
Yes.Okay, so a couple of posts have evoked a question to me:
As I consider scriptural examples, when has God ever given someone a prophesy without telling the prophet precisely to whom the prophesy was to be delivered?
As can be seen above, revelation frequently comes progressively.And what good would the prophesy be if the prophet does not know exactly who to deliver it to?
Again, this is really the same question answered above, but the "To whom it may concern" factor is answered even more vividly here.-Are there any biblical prophesies addressed, "To whom it may concern?"
Yes.
When Samuel was sent to Jesse to anoint the man to replace Saul. God did not reveal his name or which son.
1Sam16v5Samuel replied, “Yes, in peace; I have come to sacrifice to the Lord. Consecrate yourselves and come to the sacrifice with me.” Then he consecrated Jesse and his sons and invited them to the sacrifice.
6When they arrived, Samuel saw Eliab and thought, “Surely the Lord’s anointed stands here before the Lord.”
As can be seen, Samuel didn't know who the prophetic anointing pertained to.
7But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The Lord does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”
8Then Jesse called Abinadab and had him pass in front of Samuel. But Samuel said, “The Lord has not chosen this one either.” 9Jesse then had Shammah pass by, but Samuel said, “Nor has the Lord chosen this one.” 10Jesse had seven of his sons pass before Samuel, but Samuel said to him, “The Lord has not chosen these.” 11So he asked Jesse, “Are these all the sons you have?”
“There is still the youngest,” Jesse answered. “He is tending the sheep.”
Samuel said, “Send for him; we will not sit down until he arrives.”
12So he sent for him and had him brought in. He was glowing with health and had a fine appearance and handsome features.
Then the Lord said, “Rise and anoint him; this is the one.”
13So Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the presence of his brothers, and from that day on the Spirit of the Lord came powerfully upon David. Samuel then went to Ramah.
Without question, Samuel did not know the recipient till the moment the Lord showed him.
As can be seen above, revelation frequently comes progressively.
Again, this is really the same question answered above, but the "To whom it may concern" factor is answered even more vividly here.-
Matt17v10The disciples asked him, “Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?”
(This refers to a prophecy in Malachi)
11Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. 12But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” 13Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.
Up to that point, nobody understood who the prophecy related to.
ie. "To whom it may concern!"
If that's what you meant by "To whom it may concern" then of course that's true.No, you're wrong. Samuel didn't know the name, but the prophesy was for a specific person, and Samuel knew it was for a specific person.
Samuel did not cast out the prophesy, "To whom it may concern." The Lord led him to that specific person.
Amen. The problem others who call themselves believers are always ready to lob stones
In the OT all the prophets cried out with one bottom line "Repent". John the Baptizer cried out, "Repent". Why aren't any of those who call themselves prophets not doing this?
Oh yes they were. A massive portion of OT prophecy is political!The OT and John weren't talking politics
The whole of the book of Jonah proves you wrong.nor were they speaking to the heathen,
You are clearly confused about the role of a prophet.they were speaking to the people of God telling them to repent. In this day that would be those who claim to know Him, but their activities say different. Just a curious question I think.
I agree it doesn't exist. However, in the grammatical ambiguity by not adding more words to the sentence, it opens the floor up for more discussion - which was my intention.Hello Michael. I wasn't intending my reply to be a gotcha game it's just that the premise of your question doesn't exist: 'So if God says something to you, and it doesn't happen'
It's like asking why is the grass blue or the sky green.
If God says something to you then it will happen. God Bless
Prophecy has specific teachings on how to analyze it. However a word of knowledge isn't much different than a writing piece that is encouraging though a bit misguided, or a sermon that has falsehood in it. Different process to approach.What point are you making?
The greater the unity, the greater the revival. However, the failure of most revivals is people get excited and overlook differences in interest of working in Christ - and then some heretic comes by and points out all the errors - and the people actually listen - this ends the revival.Well back in the 70's we had a significant move of God and unity of purpose was far more prominent than agreed dogma - in fact no one cared much about that, it was all hands to the pump, folks comig in from the street in repentance - we were unified in the Gospel and moving in the gifts.
The greater the unity, the greater the revival. However, the failure of most revivals is people get excited and overlook differences in interest of working in Christ - and then some heretic comes by and points out all the errors - and the people actually listen - this ends the revival.
Thus having a unity of doctrine is actually important since it would hold back people who go to church, but may not be born again - but use service as a means to leverage their opinions.
Prophecy has specific teachings on how to analyze it. However a word of knowledge isn't much different than a writing piece that is encouraging though a bit misguided, or a sermon that has falsehood in it. Different process to approach.
"Let everything be proven by two or three witnesses."
When the pastor makes an assertion, two or three of the listeners in the congregation should get confirmation from the Holy Spirit and render an "amen" as witnesses. That's why old-time pastors asked, "Can I get an 'amen'" or "Can I get a witness?"
That all boils down to one motive of wanting to be in control, either you're in control or God is, take your pick. Same issue with other revivals.Maybe what killed the move varies from place to place - where I lived it was killed by two factors...
First was control - the leadership were outside their comfort zone in knowledge and experience - they legislated against certain aspects of the move in unbelief.
Second they opposed the formation of home based churches which would have carried the revival with much more effect. It was a matter of the need to support 'mother church' and they didn't want to have a financial deficit as new churches were born.
The Spirit was quenched for these two reasons. Years later I heard the Pastor publicly repent of how he handled the move.
Word of knowledge is very similar to what happens when you pray to interpret your tongue and then only say it in the common language, in this case English.That has not been my experience - I have known 'word of knowledge' to be pivotal in bringing conviction particularly during counselling.
That has not been my experience - I have known 'word of knowledge' to be pivotal in bringing conviction particularly during counselling.
Because that's just your personal notion of what a prophet should be, but it's not God's.
The Spirit of prophecy goes where the Lord leads, and that is not always a call to repent
Oh yes they were. A massive portion of OT prophecy is political!
The whole of the book of Jonah proves you wrong.
You are clearly confused about the role of a prophet.
Prophecy may call for repentance, but frequently just reveals hidden truths, or future events, including a whole load of politics.