Discussion So if God says something to you and it doesn't happen ...

Tolworth John · Jan 15, 2021

Michael Collum said:
So if God says something to you, and it doesn't happen ...

How does this affect your faith?

and what is your reaction?

God does not make mistakes, if he says something will happen it will happen.

So if one believes that they have a message that something will happen and it doesn't. Then that message was not from God.

tturt · Jan 15, 2021

(This forum is only for posters who believe in the manifestations of the spiritual gifts and they're for today per forum rules).

So what God told Abraham and Jonah - wasn't what he told them?.

Taodeching (thanks for posting) as you said learned even more - nothing but God and His word.

Might want to check out David Barton's "Run to the Roar."

Still believe God is going to move.

Confused-by-christianity · Jan 15, 2021

Michael Collum said:
So if God says something to you, and it doesn't happen ... How does this affect your faith? and what is your reaction?

It was a hard time. It rocked my faith to the core. Upended everything I thought I knew.

For a long while thereafter I was keeping up a faith where I had no reason to believe, nor did I care much to believe. I only kept it up for the sake of it. Perhaps I was waiting to see what happened when I "got over it".

When I "got over it", I reflected on the state of my faith, both past and present.

I asked myself what my faith was truely based on.
God giving me what I want? God protecting me from suffering or evil in this life?
What if God doesn't deliver?

I concluded that my faith could improve.
I accepted that horror and tragedy may happen to me in my lifetime, it may not. Sometimes you want answers and there really aren't any.

I developed a more eternal perspective. I looked beyond this life for hope. I'm thankful for what I do have in this life and I try to do my duty with what God has given to me, but I don't think I'll be spared suffering or having my life turned upside down. I try now to use suffering to work on my character and build wisdom, which I hope to use in the future to help others. I hope my suffering in this life qualifies me for some future service in God's kingdom.

I trust that God is good - that lets me trust that suffering isn't in vain.

All this - I do with God and Jesus in prayer. I try to talk to God and listen.

I hope that helps.

Gregory Thompson · Jan 15, 2021

Confused-by-christianity said:
It was a hard time. It rocked my faith to the core. Upended everything I thought I knew.

For a long while thereafter I was keeping up a faith where I had no reason to believe, nor did I care much to believe. I only kept it up for the sake of it. Perhaps I was waiting to see what happened when I "got over it".

When I "got over it", I reflected on the state of my faith, both past and present.

I asked myself what my faith was truely based on.
God giving me what I want? God protecting me from suffering or evil in this life?
What if God doesn't deliver?

I concluded that my faith could improve.
I accepted that horror and tragedy may happen to me in my lifetime, it may not. Sometimes you want answers and there really aren't any.

I developed a more eternal perspective. I looked beyond this life for hope. I'm thankful for what I do have in this life and I try to do my duty with what God has given to me, but I don't think I'll be spared suffering or having my life turned upside down. I try now to use suffering to work on my character and build wisdom, which I hope to use in the future to help others. I hope my suffering in this life qualifies me for some future service in God's kingdom.

I trust that God is good - that lets me trust that suffering isn't in vain.

All this - I do with God and Jesus in prayer. I try to talk to God and listen.

I hope that helps.

It definitely does help, I was concerned for those who might react badly if something similar happens with a particular prophecy popular today. What you said was perfect.

Part of the prophetic ministry is giving people a place to belong just like Jesus did.

Gregory Thompson · Jan 15, 2021

Tolworth John said:
God does not make mistakes, if he says something will happen it will happen.

So if one believes that they have a message that something will happen and it doesn't. Then that message was not from God.

This is true.

Gregory Thompson · Jan 15, 2021

tturt said:
Still believe God is going to move.

Me too, however, in a way we cannot imagine or think.

There's been talk of a revival for decades now, one prophecy I heard about it sounded about spot on - unity needs to come first. I agree with this one because a lot of the mini revivals over the year follow a pattern - people get excited and there is revival - people appoint themselves fruit inspectors and disrupt the flow of the spirit.

Until there is unity of doctrine, every revival will be interrupted before it can complete it's work.

tturt · Jan 15, 2021

Being in one accord is revealed in Scripture.

When they assembled in the Upper Room, with the women, they were in one accord in prayer and supplication. They continued to be in one accord on the day of Pentecost and we know how God moved. They continued to be in one accord following in the temple daily (Acts 1 and 2). When they were told to stop speaking of Jesus, they prayed in one accord (Acts 4). Their prayer is recorded in v26-30. They had been filled on the day of Pentecost yet "...they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness." How God answered their prayer is in Acts 4-5 and they continued in one accord. It became apparent who were His followers. They had disagreements but they continued to be in one accord, the Lord lead them to send out Barnabas and Paul (Acts 15).

We are encouraged to be in one accord. In Phillippians 2: "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves."

Put another way "Fill up and complete my joy by living in harmony and being of the same mind and one in purpose, having the same love, being in full accord and of one harmonious mind and intention." AMPC

So a lesson from what is happening.

Francis Drake · Jan 15, 2021

Many times people misunderstand what the Lord is saying.-

Jn21v20Then Peter, turning around, saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following, who also had leaned on His breast at the supper, and said, “Lord, who is the one who betrays You?” 21Peter, seeing him, said to Jesus, “But Lord, what about this man?”

22Jesus said to him, “If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? You follow Me.”

23Then this saying went out among the brethren that this disciple would not die. Yet Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but, “If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you?”

As can be seen,it doesn't take much for people to stretch what the Lord says, taking it completely beyond reality.

But we must also take note that Satan comes to kill steal and destroy. So if the Lord gives a word that reveals his anointing and calling on a man, that doesn't make him immune to Satanic attacks.

Even Paul was stopped by Satan.

geetrue · Jan 15, 2021

I am suffering from this almost false prophecy of Trump was going to win and turn the White House over to VP Pence. I say almost due to five days left till President elect Biden takes over the White House. Trump is already moving out and of course who knew of the riots of last week ahead of time. Not me ...

So now I become a nobody worth listening to that's for sure ... Now it will be hard to trust any voice in my head or my heart or anything that even sounds like an angel from heaven.

Perhaps it is all a test to strength the church ... bad days are coming is not a personal prophecy, but is a promise from the Book of Revelations with the warning that we all have to overcome something in order to inherit something.

Maybe I'll change my name to wacko instead of geetrue

tturt · Jan 15, 2021

Oh,, I realize there's more time.

Also, I understand going through the - I thought I heard the Lord. But guess I still continue to be puzzled. None of us are perfect in our service to the Lord.

Say a believer has "gifts of healing" Do we criticize them when folks they pray for aren't healed? What % is acceptable for them - not to be called false? Or are pastors criticized if they preach one sermon that is off or ignored from that point on? On the other hand, what if every healing prayer we prayed was answered at the moment we prayed?

RDKirk · Jan 15, 2021

tturt said:
Oh,, I realize there's more time.

Also, I understand going through the - I thought I heard the Lord. But guess I still continue to be puzzled. None of us are perfect in our service to the Lord.

Say a believer has "gifts of healing" Do we criticize them when folks they pray for aren't healed? What % is acceptable for them - not to be called false?

Yes, if their record of success is less than 50% (no better than random chance). Why should someone claiming the gift of healing be held to less of a standard than scripture sets for prophesy?

Or are pastors criticized if they preach one sermon that is off or ignored from that point on?

They ought to be.

"Let everything be proven by two or three witnesses."

When the pastor makes an assertion, two or three of the listeners in the congregation should get confirmation from the Holy Spirit and render an "amen" as witnesses. That's why old-time pastors asked, "Can I get an 'amen'" or "Can I get a witness?"

On the other hand, what if every healing prayer we prayed was answered at the moment we prayed?

Someone genuinely with the gift of healing should know whether healing is the will of God in that moment. Do you remember the man Jesus encountered who had been waiting at the pool for the chance to be healed? He wasn't the only one waiting...but he was the only one healed. Remember the lame man Peter healed at the temple gate? Scripture says that man had sat by that gate every single day for years.

That means Jesus must have passed him...but Jesus didn't heal him. Jesus had the power to heal, but He didn't heal everyone. Yet, He also had no "misses." He healed those who it was the will of the Father to be healed at that moment.

The ability to know who and when --unerringly--is part of the gift of healing.

And I have been miraculously healed in just that manner.

Petros2015 · Jan 15, 2021

tturt said:
This forum is only for posters who believe in the manifestation of the spiritual gifts and they're for today per forum rules.

Ah gotcha. My apologies; I do believe in the spiritual gifts, but didn't take the time to review the forum before posting. My comment was slightly cynical but also to note that in many cases, promises were valid but either took a looong time (Luke 2:25-38 for example) or were fulfilled cross-generationally (the coming of the messiah) or have yet to be fulfilled (messiah's return) or were fulfilled in unexpected ways (Matthew 11:14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.)

I also suspect that first-hand promises of God from the Scripture or the Spirit have a much higher validity rate than second-hand promises of God from, oh say, a twitter account.

Daniel Marsh · Jan 15, 2021

one would think one would take responsibility for it coming from themself and use caution. One false prophecy makes one a false prophet.

Jesse Dornfeld · Jan 15, 2021

Confused-by-christianity said:
It was a hard time. It rocked my faith to the core. Upended everything I thought I knew.

For a long while thereafter I was keeping up a faith where I had no reason to believe, nor did I care much to believe. I only kept it up for the sake of it. Perhaps I was waiting to see what happened when I "got over it".

When I "got over it", I reflected on the state of my faith, both past and present.

I asked myself what my faith was truely based on.
God giving me what I want? God protecting me from suffering or evil in this life?
What if God doesn't deliver?

I concluded that my faith could improve.
I accepted that horror and tragedy may happen to me in my lifetime, it may not. Sometimes you want answers and there really aren't any.

I developed a more eternal perspective. I looked beyond this life for hope. I'm thankful for what I do have in this life and I try to do my duty with what God has given to me, but I don't think I'll be spared suffering or having my life turned upside down. I try now to use suffering to work on my character and build wisdom, which I hope to use in the future to help others. I hope my suffering in this life qualifies me for some future service in God's kingdom.

I trust that God is good - that lets me trust that suffering isn't in vain.

All this - I do with God and Jesus in prayer. I try to talk to God and listen.

I hope that helps.

That is an excellent response.

Jesse Dornfeld · Jan 15, 2021

geetrue said:
I am suffering from this almost false prophecy of Trump was going to win and turn the White House over to VP Pence. I say almost due to five days left till President elect Biden takes over the White House. Trump is already moving out and of course who knew of the riots of last week ahead of time. Not me ...

So now I become a nobody worth listening to that's for sure ... Now it will be hard to trust any voice in my head or my heart or anything that even sounds like an angel from heaven.

Perhaps it is all a test to strength the church ... bad days are coming is not a personal prophecy, but is a promise from the Book of Revelations with the warning that we all have to overcome something in order to inherit something.

Maybe I'll change my name to wacko instead of geetrue

If I were to give some encouragement to you, consider what Paul said. It is written, 1 Thessalonians 5:20-22 "Do not despise prophecies, 21 but test everything; hold fast what is good. 22 Abstain from every form of evil." 20 is what to do. 21 is how to do it. 22 is the empowerment of it. Paul is saying to them, "Yes, there are prophecies given and don't despise them even if they are wrong. Instead, test them to see if they are true. Hold on to the Good ones, discard the rest. If your prophets turn away from evil, they will be successful."

Confused-by-christianity · Jan 16, 2021

True Counterphobia said:
That is an excellent response.

Thanks mate

SpiritPsalmist · Jan 17, 2021

Michael Collum said:
So if God says something to you, and it doesn't happen ...

How does this affect your faith?

and what is your reaction?

My reaction would be that I misunderstood God.

Francis Drake · Jan 17, 2021

SpiritPsalmist said:
My reaction would be that I misunderstood God.

I agree.
However we still have a few days more to test the words we have received.

The prophetic word, "The Lord has his Trump card" was given to me 9 years in advance at a time I was praying for an earlier US election, and being a Brit, was completely meaningless.

It made no sense, until of course, Trump entered the fray.

I am absolutely confident in what I heard. If it fails, then I shall have to re examine my interpretation before they try to stone me.

SpiritPsalmist · Jan 17, 2021

Francis Drake said:
I agree.
However we still have a few days more to test the words we have received.

The prophetic word, "The Lord has his Trump card" was given to me 9 years in advance at a time I was praying for an earlier US election, and being a Brit, was completely meaningless.

It made no sense, until of course, Trump entered the fray.

I am absolutely confident in what I heard. If it fails, then I shall have to re examine my interpretation before they try to stone me.

I understand and agree but I was answering the op, not referencing Trump. If God indeed did say what the one's who claim to be prophets are saying regarding Trump then "it will be", but if not, re-examining is just the tip of what needs to happen.

RDKirk · Jan 17, 2021

Francis Drake said:
I agree.
However we still have a few days more to test the words we have received.

The prophetic word, "The Lord has his Trump card" was given to me 9 years in advance at a time I was praying for an earlier US election, and being a Brit, was completely meaningless.

It made no sense, until of course, Trump entered the fray.

I am absolutely confident in what I heard. If it fails, then I shall have to re examine my interpretation before they try to stone me.

Are you sure you know what He meant?

Nebuchadnezzar was also the Lord's "trump card."

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