Is "being humbled", different than "staying humble"...?

Neogaia777 · Dec 2, 2020

Maria Billingsley said:
Consider your term "being humbled" as " being convicted". This is what the Holy Spirit does when we sin. He convicts us of unrighteousness. This is how He brings us into repentance resulting in the humility required to become more like our Lord, Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Be blessed.

It seems like my past keeps getting brought up and thrown in my face...?

Is this something we should submit to, or not...?

God Bless!

Maria Billingsley · Dec 2, 2020

Neogaia777 said:
It seems like my past keeps getting brought up and thrown in my face...?

Is this something we should submit to, or not...?

God Bless!

Have you made restitution?

mlepfitjw · Dec 2, 2020

5 If anyone has caused grief, he has not so much grieved me as he has grieved all of you to some extent—not to put it too severely.

6 The punishment inflicted on him by the majority is sufficient.

7 Now instead, you ought to forgive and comfort him, so that he will not be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. 8 I urge you, therefore, to reaffirm your love for him.

9 Another reason I wrote you was to see if you would stand the test and be obedient in everything.

10 Anyone you forgive, I also forgive. And what I have forgiven—if there was anything to forgive—I have forgiven in the sight of Christ for your sake,

11 in order that Satan (Adversity) might not outwit us. For we are not unaware of his (sometimes we can be our worst enemy) schemes.

Jaxxi · Dec 2, 2020

Neogaia777 said:
When we have and/or get or maintain a proper view of our "place", and how we get to that place...?

Is that kind of what you are saying, etc...?

God Bless!

More or less, yes. You cannot stay humbled if you haven't been humbled.

Neogaia777 · Dec 2, 2020

Jaxxi said:
More or less, yes. You cannot stay humbled if you haven't been humbled.

Seems to still be happening a lot to me, and I question the things it is for now, or whether is still truly needed or fully justified in every single case now, etc, sometimes it still is maybe, I just don't think as much as it sometimes still seems to be happening to or with me sometimes still now, etc, and that is my dilemma right now, etc...?

I think there should come a time or day, when I should no longer have to submit to it or be subject to it anymore, etc...?

Or at least, not for the things it is for or that are still trying to do it to me now, etc, and not with the frequency of such things (those things) still happening to me either still now, etc...?

God Bless!

Neogaia777 · Dec 2, 2020

Maria Billingsley said:
Have you made restitution?

I think I have...?

Though it was not me who really did that, etc...

Or what do you mean exactly, etc...?

I think I have been reconciled to God, and that He is restoring me, etc...?

Or what do you mean exactly...?

Could you be more specific, etc...?

God Bless!

Neogaia777 · Dec 2, 2020

Neogaia777 said:
I think I have...?

Though it was not me who really did that, etc...

Or what do you mean exactly, etc...?

I think I have been reconciled to God, and that He is restoring me, etc...?

Or what do you mean exactly...?

Could you be more specific, etc...?

God Bless!

@Maria Billingsley

Restitution towards God, or between me and others, or what...?

I can say, as far as others go, I think I have done my absolute best, etc, some still didn't seem to forgive me though, etc, and as far as between me and God goes, I'd like to think that Jesus already took care of that for me already, etc, unless there is still yet something more that I still have yet to do in that area maybe, etc, but I also thought that that was not in any way ever based on or ever because of us at all ever also, etc...?

Anyway,

God Bless!

Neogaia777 · Dec 2, 2020

Neogaia777 said:
Seems to still be happening a lot to me, and I question the things it is for now, or whether is still truly needed or fully justified in every single case now, etc, sometimes it still is maybe, I just don't think as much as it sometimes still seems to be happening to or with me sometimes still now, etc, and that is my dilemma right now, etc...?

I think there should come a time or day, when I should no longer have to submit to it or be subject to it anymore, etc...?

Or at least, not for the things it is for or that are still trying to do it to me now, etc, and not with the frequency of such things (those things) still happening to me either still now, etc...?

God Bless!

I think I have been humiliated and humbled, and/or humbled or humiliated, beyond the belief and/or knowledge or know how of most people, etc, and I just think there should come a day and/or time when that should either have to either stop, and/or at least lessen maybe, and/or otherwise, come to a stop and/or end maybe, etc...

That's why I'm trying so hard to learn what it is or truly means to truly walk humbly through this life, and/or also around/with others, and with our God, etc...?

And I mean truly, etc, a real true picture of it, etc...?

But that picture of it, in a more common person like me, etc, and not someone who is God, or someone who is like God, or is a or the Son of God, like Jesus, etc...?

Cause I think those two could be a little bit different as well maybe, etc...?

I'm a common man/person, etc, and am nobody all that special, etc, which I think could make it very different for someone like me, etc...?

Anyway,

God Bless!

Neogaia777 · Dec 2, 2020

It seems like every single day, day in and day out, that things are shoved in my face (still), or right in front of my face (still, etc), that I initially did not want, and did not ever want to ever see ever, and not at all ever wanted to see ever, etc...?

And it's still happening still, etc, and I don't know what to do with them anymore, for they are getting very, very old now, etc, but not old enough to where I am still not affected by them anymore yet, etc, and I'm wondering if I should still be submitting to them anymore, etc...?

I don't want to be walking in pride, so the only solution I can see, before I would or might choose to be stopping submitting to it/them, etc, is to truly learn the secret to what it means to be truly humble, and truly walk humbly through this life with my/yours/our God, etc...?

Anyway,

God Bless!

SANTOSO · Dec 3, 2020

Have you this this Neogaia:
Good and upright is the LORD; therefore He instructs sinners in the way. -Psalms 25:8
He leads the humble in what is right, and teaches the humble His way. -Psalms 25:9

Do you want the Lord to lead to do what is right ? Do you want the Lord teach you His ways ? First of all, you need the Lord’s instructions in the way ! Why ? Because He is good and upright !

So what is one of the Lord’s instructions for sinners in the way ?

Therefore let everyone who is godly offer prayer to You at a time when You may be found; surely in the rush of great waters, they shall not reach him. -Psalms 32:6

What prayer did David have offered ?

I acknowledged my sin to you, and I did not cover my iniquity; I said, "I will confess my transgressions to the LORD," and you forgave the iniquity of my sin. -Psalms 32:5

Pray daily ! Confess to the Lord your transgressions or offenses that come into your MIND daily when the Holy Spirit convicts you of your sins

and forsake your own way and unrighteous thoughts

and believe God forgive for each one.

For this is what we have heard :
"Seek the LORD while He may be found;
call upon Him while He is near; -Isaiah 55:6
let the wicked FORSAKE his way,
and the unrighteous man his thoughts;
let him return to the LORD, that He may have compassion on him, and to our God, for He will abundantly pardon. -Isaiah 55:7

To be assured that you are forgiven by the Lord, this is what we are told to do :

For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, -Matthew 6:14

In order to meet this condition that our Lord have said, we must RELEASE DAILY forgiveness to those who offended or wronged us.

Whenever come to your mind on what and how others wronged you, you must accept your failings, inabilities, and weaknesses by releasing forgiveness to others —- that is how we all are humbled ! We can’t rely on our strength to release forgiveness to others but we need to depend on God’s strength.

Why God’s strength ? This is what we have heard:
Thus says the LORD: "Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his strength, whose heart turns away from the LORD. -Jeremiah 17:5
He is like a shrub in the desert, and shall not see any good come. He shall dwell in the parched places of the wilderness, in an uninhabited salt land. -Jeremiah 17:6
"Blessed is the man who trusts in the LORD, whose trust is the LORD. -Jeremiah 17:7
He is like a tree planted by water, that sends out its roots by the stream, and does not fear when heat comes, for its leaves remain green, and is not anxious in the year of drought, for it does not cease to bear fruit." -Jeremiah 17:8

If you think by your strength, you can do what is right ; why the Lord offers to lead the humble to do what is right ? why God have to send Jesus to the cross to die for you, if you can make yourself aright.

We are called not to trust in ourselves or our strength but to be blessed, we are called to trust in the strength of the Lord !

That is why we hear this :
The LORD is the strength of His people; He is the saving refuge of His anointed. -Psalms 28:8

May the LORD give strength to His people!
May the LORD bless His people with peace! -Psalms 29:11

God has spoken once, I have heard it twice:
strength belongs to God.
Also to you, Adonai, belongs grace;
for you reward all as their deeds deserve.-Psalms 62:11-12 CJB

To be humbled is that we need to acknowledge daily God’s strength that flows from His grace.

If you want the Lord to lead the humble you to do what is right, you need to acknowledge that you need His strength to do what is right.

If you can do on your own what is right, you can become proud and arrogance — that is not at all aligned to God’s way !

If you do what is right by His strength, the glory belongs to God. That is how thanksgiving offer to God and bring Him glory!

In our relationship with others, we have been told this:

I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. -John 15:5

It is of importance that we always stay in union with Christ, that we may draw His strength to do what is right in our relationship with others, then we can bear the fruit of righteousness that brings delight to the Heavenly Father.

Remember that the Lord teaches the humble His ways !
This is what we have heard:
He made known His ways to Moses, His acts to the people of Israel. -Psalms 103:7
The LORD is merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love. -Psalms 103:8

I will meditate on your precepts and fix my eyes on Your ways. -Psalms 119:15

When you set your eyes on God’s ways, you will learn to live in His ways,that is,

to be merciful to others ( the us way you release your forgiveness daily to those who wrong you),

be gracious in your words and deeds like the way the Lord Jesus Christ have done,

slow to anger like the way it is mentioned in Psalms 103:9-12 and other scriptures,

and His abounding love like the one mentioned in Lamentations 3:22-24 and other scriptures.

Therefore, pray to God the Father that the Holy Spirit may give you
strength in your inner being that Christ may
dwell in your heart through faith — in this manner — we are all called to walk humbly before Him. ( Ephesians 3:16-17)

Hazelelponi · Dec 3, 2020

Neogaia777 said:
Is "being humbled", different than "staying humble"...?

These seem like they may be two different things to me, what do you think...?

Comments...?

Discussion...?

God Bless!

Being humbled is a conviction of sin or error coupled with recognition of God in truth.. (One time shock)

Staying humble has to do with pride and the recognition you can fall into sin at any time, and that your not above others in this regard. Even if you overcome temptations, you recognize you can fall in them in a heartbeat if you don't stay guarded against them.

That's humble before God.

"Humility is the fear of the Lord. It's wages are riches and honor and life" Proverbs 22:4

Neogaia777 · Dec 3, 2020

SANTOSO said:
Have you this this Neogaia:
Good and upright is the LORD; therefore He instructs sinners in the way. -Psalms 25:8
He leads the humble in what is right, and teaches the humble His way. -Psalms 25:9

Do you want the Lord to lead to do what is right ? Do you want the Lord teach you His ways ? First of all, you need the Lord’s instructions in the way ! Why ? Because He is good and upright !

So what is one of the Lord’s instructions for sinners in the way ?

Therefore let everyone who is godly offer prayer to You at a time when You may be found; surely in the rush of great waters, they shall not reach him. -Psalms 32:6

What prayer did David have offered ?

I acknowledged my sin to you, and I did not cover my iniquity; I said, "I will confess my transgressions to the LORD," and you forgave the iniquity of my sin. -Psalms 32:5

Pray daily ! Confess to the Lord your transgressions or offenses that come into your MIND daily when the Holy Spirit convicts you of your sins

and forsake your own way and unrighteous thoughts

and believe God forgive for each one.

For this is what we have heard :
"Seek the LORD while He may be found;
call upon Him while He is near; -Isaiah 55:6
let the wicked FORSAKE his way,
and the unrighteous man his thoughts;
let him return to the LORD, that He may have compassion on him, and to our God, for He will abundantly pardon. -Isaiah 55:7

To be assured that you are forgiven by the Lord, this is what we are told to do :

For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, -Matthew 6:14

In order to meet this condition that our Lord have said, we must RELEASE DAILY forgiveness to those who offended or wronged us.

Whenever come to your mind on what and how others wronged you, you must accept your failings, inabilities, and weaknesses by releasing forgiveness to others —- that is how we all are humbled ! We can’t rely on our strength to release forgiveness to others but we need to depend on God’s strength.

Why God’s strength ? This is what we have heard:
Thus says the LORD: "Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his strength, whose heart turns away from the LORD. -Jeremiah 17:5
He is like a shrub in the desert, and shall not see any good come. He shall dwell in the parched places of the wilderness, in an uninhabited salt land. -Jeremiah 17:6
"Blessed is the man who trusts in the LORD, whose trust is the LORD. -Jeremiah 17:7
He is like a tree planted by water, that sends out its roots by the stream, and does not fear when heat comes, for its leaves remain green, and is not anxious in the year of drought, for it does not cease to bear fruit." -Jeremiah 17:8

If you think by your strength, you can do what is right ; why the Lord offers to lead the humble to do what is right ? why God have to send Jesus to the cross to die for you, if you can make yourself aright.

We are called not to trust in ourselves or our strength but to be blessed, we are called to trust in the strength of the Lord !

That is why we hear this :
The LORD is the strength of His people; He is the saving refuge of His anointed. -Psalms 28:8

May the LORD give strength to His people!
May the LORD bless His people with peace! -Psalms 29:11

God has spoken once, I have heard it twice:
strength belongs to God.
Also to you, Adonai, belongs grace;
for you reward all as their deeds deserve.-Psalms 62:11-12 CJB

To be humbled is that we need to acknowledge daily God’s strength that flows from His grace.

If you want the Lord to lead the humble you to do what is right, you need to acknowledge that you need His strength to do what is right.

If you can do on your own what is right, you can become proud and arrogance — that is not at all aligned to God’s way !

If you do what is right by His strength, the glory belongs to God. That is how thanksgiving offer to God and bring Him glory!

In our relationship with others, we have been told this:

I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. -John 15:5

It is of importance that we always stay in union with Christ, that we may draw His strength to do what is right in our relationship with others, then we can bear the fruit of righteousness that brings delight to the Heavenly Father.

Remember that the Lord teaches the humble His ways !
This is what we have heard:
He made known His ways to Moses, His acts to the people of Israel. -Psalms 103:7
The LORD is merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love. -Psalms 103:8

I will meditate on your precepts and fix my eyes on Your ways. -Psalms 119:15

When you set your eyes on God’s ways, you will learn to live in His ways,that is,

to be merciful to others ( the us way you release your forgiveness daily to those who wrong you),

be gracious in your words and deeds like the way the Lord Jesus Christ have done,

slow to anger like the way it is mentioned in Psalms 103:9-12 and other scriptures,

and His abounding love like the one mentioned in Lamentations 3:22-24 and other scriptures.

Therefore, pray to God the Father that the Holy Spirit may give you
strength in your inner being that Christ may
dwell in your heart through faith — in this manner — we are all called to walk humbly before Him. ( Ephesians 3:16-17)

Thank you very much @SANTOSO, much wisdom and wise words and good counsel in there, I may have to take some time to meditate on this, and maybe re-read it a few times also, thanks, and thank you very much...

Peace,

God Bless!

Neogaia777 · Dec 3, 2020

Hazelelponi said:
Being humbled is a conviction of sin or error coupled with recognition of God in truth.. (One time shock)

Staying humble has to do with pride and the recognition you can fall into sin at any time, and that your not above others in this regard. Even if you overcome temptations, you recognize you can fall in them in a heartbeat if you don't stay guarded against them.

That's humble before God.

"Humility is the fear of the Lord. It's wages are riches and honor and life" Proverbs 22:4

Thank you very much @Hazelelponi, and about that paragraph where you talk about staying humble, I just feel like I have to say, "ain't that the truth", or some real truth, etc...

Thanks,

God Bless!

Saint Steven · Dec 3, 2020

Neogaia777 said:
Is "being humbled", different than "staying humble"...?

These seem like they may be two different things to me, what do you think...?

Comments...?

Discussion...?

God Bless!

(my response to the OP without reading any other responses)
Humiliation vs humility.
Humbled by others compared to self-humbling.
Brought down a peg vs waiting to be exalted in due time.
Taking "the lower seat".

Luke 14:10
But when you are invited, take the lowest place, so that when your host comes, he will say to you, ‘Friend, move up to a better place.’ Then you will be honored in the presence of all the other guests.

Saint Steven · Dec 3, 2020

Jaxxi said:
BEING humbled is you are proud and bold and strong and confident ( like when in your early 20's) and something happens where you get a major dose of life proving to you that you don't know jack about jack and it makes you feel like a naive child. That is BEING humbled. Staying humbled is realizing that as far as the spirit world and the universe go, we still wont know jack no matter how much we learn. It is realizing Gods infinite wisdom that we cannot even begin to resemble, and giving Him glory and credit for it.

I guess Jill doesn't know Jack until they are introduced. - lol

Saint Steven · Dec 3, 2020

Jaxxi said:
More or less, yes. You cannot stay humbled if you haven't been humbled.

Humility is a watershed, humiliation is a wood shed.

The two are independent. We choose wood or water.
One hopes the wood shed leads to the watershed.
Thankfully, the watershed does not lead to the wood shed. (rather avoids it)

1213 · Dec 3, 2020

Neogaia777 said:
Is "being humbled", different than "staying humble"...?

Yes, I think they are different. If you are being humbled, it means you were not humble, but you are going to be. And staying humble means you are humble continuously.

jamesbond007 · Dec 3, 2020

Neogaia777 said:
Is "being humbled", different than "staying humble"...?

From a personal perspective, I rather stay humble than be humbled.

I think there is a difference as there are verses in the Bible where we are being humbled and also exhorted to stay humble.

For being humbled, such as in Isaiah 40:6-8

'The Word of God Stands Forever
A voice says, “Cry!”
And I said, “What shall I cry?”
All flesh is grass,
and all its beauty is like the flower of the field.
The grass withers, the flower fades,
but the word of our God will stand forever.' Isaiah 40:6-8

or

"Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour." 1 Peter 5:8

or

'Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness. For we all stumble in many ways. And if anyone does not stumble in what he says, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle his whole body. If we put bits into the mouths of horses so that they obey us, we guide their whole bodies as well. Look at the ships also: though they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are guided by a very small rudder wherever the will of the pilot directs. So also the tongue is a small member, yet it boasts of great things. How great a forest is set ablaze by such a small fire! ...' James 3:1-18

++++++++

As for staying humble, it does not seem as harsh and gives us guidance and gentle warning.

"So if there is any encouragement in Christ, any comfort from love, any participation in the Spirit, any affection and sympathy, complete my joy by being of the same mind, having the same love, being in full accord and of one mind. Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves. Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others." Philippians 2:1-4

or

'But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”' James 4:6

or

"And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him." Hebrews 11:6

SANTOSO · Dec 3, 2020

Were we not all like sheep have gone astray ? we all have turned'every one'to his own way;
and the LORD has laid on Christ the iniquity of us all.

Why ? to give this deliverance from sin.

When we were or are in bondage of sin !
ARE WE NOT HUMBLED !

When we speak hate to our brothers and sisters or hate in silence!
Are we not in the dark !
Will we not HUMBLE ourselves through repentance?

What strength do we have to free ourselves from sin ? Who is the one worthy ? Is it not ONLY our Lord, the Lamb of God who can save us, His people from our sins !

For this is what we have heard:
Truly no man can ransom another, or give to God the price of his life, for the ransom of their life is costly and CAN NEVER SUFFICE, that He ( Christ ) should live on forever and never see the pit. -Psalms 49:7-9

Are we not in awe our Heavenly Father for His great loving kindness in giving His Beloved Son?

For this is what we have heard:
For surely it is not angels that He helps, but He helps the offspring of Abraham. -Hebrews 2:16

Are we not offspring of Abraham ?
For we heard:

Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, "And to offsprings," referring to many, but REFERRING TO ONE, "And to your offspring," who is CHRIST. -Galatians 3:16

Yes, we are offspring of Abraham when we are in union with Christ.

For we heard :
so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith. -Galatians 3:14

God gives this grace to the humble. God gives grace to Abraham and his offspring! God gives this grace of repentance to us through Christ Jesus.

What is our Lord Jesus Christ doing in heavens ? He is our great High Priest according to Melchizedek. As our High Priest,
this is what we heard:

Consequently, He is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. -Hebrews 7:25

Our Lord has been living to make intercession for us, the sinners /offenders / transgressors who draw near to God through Him.

That is why we heard apostle John in his first epistle :

1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin.
But if anyone does sin, we have an ADVOCATE WITH THE FATHER, Jesus Christ the righteous.
2 He is the PROPITIATION for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. - 1 John 2:1-2

What does this mean ?

God gives His grace, that is, our Lord Jesus to us, THE HUMBLE who draw near to God through Christ.
Christ who become the propitiation for us —Christ interceding for us the sinner, for Christ is our advocate with the Father.

While walking on the earth, our feet may get dirty; that is why our Lord washes our feet —and He told us :

If I then, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet. -John 13:14

Therefore, we should humble ourselves before one another in reverence to our Lord and teacher, Jesus Christ.

How ? like Jesus, who calls us to be a priest to our God and Father to intercede for the sinners.
How? offer a priestly prayer, that is being ready to enter the fellowship of Christ’s sufferings for the sake of the souls for whom we pray.

For we have heard: the Lord LEADS the humble in what is right, and teaches the humble His way. -Psalms 25:9

The Lord has been leading us the humble to offer priestly prayer or intercession for the offenders.

For we have heard David who delight the heart of the Heavenly Father has said in Psalms 51:10-12, then he says:

Then I will teach transgressors Your ways, and sinners will return to You. -Psalms 51:13

Will we HUMBLED ourselves like the Lord who washes our feet and be ready to offer priestly prayer like the way our Lord ?

Will we HUMBLED ourselves to release forgiveness to those who offend or wrong us the way our Lord, as Lamb of God ?

SANTOSO · Dec 3, 2020

( continue from previous reply)
Are we not all the humbled who draw near God through Christ?
Don’t we continue to be humbled daily that God may continue always give His grace ?
Let us walk humbly in the way of our Lord and Teacher, Christ Jesus.

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