JW wealth in new earth

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One thing Daniel and his warped sense of humour seems to overlook is that Satan is not a literal dragon, nor will he be confined in a literal pit with a literal key, nor will a woman be given literal wings to fly into the wilderness, nor will any literal seven headed wild beast do any but become a science experiment to study!
Come on! Revelation is a book of signs and symbols. A better question might be: What do the 144k represent??? Is it a literal number??? Do they have anything to do with Jesus kingdom???

What do these symbolisms represent scripturally???

The historic Christian interpretation is that the 144k represents the sum total of all the Faithful. Every saint from all of history, as the people of God. The number is symbolic, 12x12 for the twelve tribes, multiplied by a thousand, which is typical of meaning "a great many", this group is the same as the "great multitude" mentioned in the same text. Such as when we read that God owns the cattle on a thousand hills, the meaning isn't that God only owns a thousand hills' worth of cattle, but that God owns all of it.

Likewise, this has been the traditional position of the Christian Church for most of its history, with the exception of some early Chilliasts, that the thousand years mentioned in the Apocalypse is, likewise, an indefinite period of time; and it refers not to an earthly reign of Christ, but to His present reign from heaven and that He exercises His kingdom and dominion now through His Church. Thus wherever the word is preached and the Sacraments administered, there Christ is, ruling and reigning as Lord and King.

You're right, the Apocalypse is a firmly symbolic, figurative text. By the very nature of what kind of literature it is, namely apocalyptic.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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You believe that Satan will be confined in a literal pit with a literal key???

Brother in Adam, I think it will be God's Power and Will that will hold him wherever it is.
 
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The historic Christian interpretation is that the 144k represents the sum total of all the Faithful. Every saint from all of history, as the people of God. The number is symbolic, 12x12 for the twelve tribes, multiplied by a thousand, which is typical of meaning "a great many", this group is the same as the "great multitude" mentioned in the same text. Such as when we read that God owns the cattle on a thousand hills, the meaning isn't that God only owns a thousand hills' worth of cattle, but that God owns all of it.

Likewise, this has been the traditional position of the Christian Church for most of its history, with the exception of some early Chilliasts, that the thousand years mentioned in the Apocalypse is, likewise, an indefinite period of time; and it refers not to an earthly reign of Christ, but to His present reign from heaven and that He exercises His kingdom and dominion now through His Church. Thus wherever the word is preached and the Sacraments administered, there Christ is, ruling and reigning as Lord and King.

You're right, the Apocalypse is a firmly symbolic, figurative text. By the very nature of what kind of literature it is, namely apocalyptic.

-CryptoLutheran

The texts do tell us that the 144,000 are all male jewish virgins.
 
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