The end of the age rapture

iamlamad · Oct 9, 2020

fli said:
You are correct. When one interprets scripture they have to be careful.

Matt 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen. NKJV

I do not believe that the Jews of today are told to baptize in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Nor do I believe that they are told to observe all that Jesus taught. He was speaking to those Jews who had entered into the new covenant. Jesus has died and been resurrected when He spoke to those people above.

Jer 31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah — NKJV

The Jews today are not in covenant as they did not enter the new one God made with them.

Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. NKJV

There is neither Jew nor Greek in Jesus. We the church today are not Jews. Neither were those Jesus was speaking to in Matthew 28 above. Therefore; if the church age ends and the Jewish age immediately starts when it ends; Jesus could only be referring to the end of the church age.

I hopr that I answered all your questions.

I do not believe that the Jews of today are told to baptize in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
I disagree. That command was given to a total Jewish church when the church began. if Jews or people from other tribes are born again and became a part of the church, of course that command is still for the church. Of course it goes for the Gentile church of today. Of course, the Jews of today have the same opportunity to join the church of Jesus Christ, but they have been blinded to the truth.

Nor do I believe that they are told to observe all that Jesus taught. That command was to members of the Body of Christ on earth, so it does not pertain to unbelieving Jews of today. If they were born again, of course it would then pertain to them.

He was speaking to those Jews who had entered into the new covenant. Agreed.

The Jews today are not in covenant as they did not enter the new one God made with them. May their eyes soon be opened to the truth.

Therefore; if the church age ends and the Jewish age immediately starts when it ends; Jesus could only be referring to the end of the church age.
How about to the complete church age, start to finish? Hopefully the church will be baptizing new believers right up to the rapture.

Do you believe there is a "church age" different than the Jewish age that will terminate with the 70th week?

fli · Oct 9, 2020

iamlamad said:
I do not believe that the Jews of today are told to baptize in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
I disagree. That command was given to a total Jewish church when the church began. if Jews or people from other tribes are born again and became a part of the church, of course that command is still for the church. Of course it goes for the Gentile church of today. Of course, the Jews of today have the same opportunity to join the church of Jesus Christ, but they have been blinded to the truth.

Nor do I believe that they are told to observe all that Jesus taught. That command was to members of the Body of Christ on earth, so it does not pertain to unbelieving Jews of today. If they were born again, of course it would then pertain to them.

He was speaking to those Jews who had entered into the new covenant. Agreed.

The Jews today are not in covenant as they did not enter the new one God made with them. May their eyes soon be opened to the truth.

Therefore; if the church age ends and the Jewish age immediately starts when it ends; Jesus could only be referring to the end of the church age.
How about to the complete church age, start to finish? Hopefully the church will be baptizing new believers right up to the rapture.

Do you believe there is a "church age" different than the Jewish age that will terminate with the 70th week?

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. NKJV

I misspoke. That command is still valid for the Jews.

Matt 23:1 Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2 saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3 Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do. NKJV

Jesus never told His disciples to disobey the authorities that God had ordained for them. The Roman authorities had to be obeyed in civil matters. Jewish authorities were to be obeyed in Spiritual matters grounded in God's law not traditions. Moses judged based on God's law not traditions. Yet even though the Jewish rulers were wrong they were appointed by God to be obeyed until a change was made.

Matt 21:43 "Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. NKJV

In the kingdom of God Spiritual authority is given to those in the kingdom. In His church the church had authority over them.

The Jews that Jesus was speaking to in Matthew 28:18 were all in the church.

Acts 4:18 So they called them and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus. 19 But Peter and John answered and said to them, "Whether it is right in the sight of God to listen to you more than to God, you judge. 20 For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard." NKJV

The apostles did not have to obey anyone in spiritual matters not in the kingdom of God. All during the age of the Jews they were the kingdom of God. They had the words of God. In the church we have all the word of God.When the kingdom was taken from the Jews then I believe the end of the age of the Jews happened when they lost kingdom. The church was now the kingdom. They and we are in the age of the church.

As for Daniels prophecy being for “His people”.

Rom 9:6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, "In Isaac your seed shall be called." 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. NKJV

Was God referring to the family that Daniel were part of which is children of God?

Rom 9:23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25 As He says also in Hosea:
"I will call them My people, who were not My people,
And her beloved, who was not beloved."
26 "And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them,
' You are not My people,'
There they shall be called sons of the living God." NKJV

Is Daniel's people the ones gentiles are in? Daniel had the faith of Abraham. I have the faith of Abraham.

Rom 11:19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in." 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. NKJV

I do not believe that Daniel was cut off the tree that I was grafted on. I really believe that I am included in with Daniels people.

Heb 11:32 And what more shall I say? For the time would fail me to tell of Gideon and Barak and Samson and Jephthah, also of David and Samuel and the prophets: 33 who through faith subdued kingdoms, worked righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, …................. 40 God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us. NKJV

Is Daniel the one that stopped the mouth of lions? Is he one of those that will not be made perfect apart from us? As I read it we are all part of the same people.

BABerean2 · Oct 9, 2020

fli said:
I do not believe that Daniel was cut off the tree that I was grafted on. I really believe that I am included in with Daniels people.

You are correct.

There is only one people of God in John 10:16.
The New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ unites all races of people into one body, through faith in the Messiah's blood sacrifice at Calvary.

See the promise of the master teacher in John 14:26, and its fulfillment in 1 John 2:27.

Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, the Two Peoples of God doctrine of modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.

The New Covenant: Bob George

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