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JimR-OCDS · Sep 20, 2020

hislegacy said:
Though Most LGBTQs Vote Democratic, New Poll Shows 45% of Queer Men Backing Trump

There as been a movement by gays away from the LGBTQ movement, as it took on political issues and made laws many gays did not agree with. Of course those laws were put in place by Obama and the Democrats support them today.

The Barbarian · Sep 20, 2020

National Socialism, which hailed Trump's election, is stronger in America now than it has been since the 1930s.

hislegacy said:
Hogwash.

From 2017...
Nine per cent of Americans say holding neo-Nazi or white supremacist views is acceptable, according to a new poll.

The Washington Post ABC poll was carried out in the wake of the deadly racially-charged violence which erupted at a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville earlier this month. If extrapolated to the entire US population, nine per cent would equate to 22 million people.

According to the survey, 83 per cent of Americans think holding neo-Nazi views is unacceptable.

Thirty-nine per cent said they believe the “alt-right” holds white supremacist or neo-Nazi views whereas 21 per cent believe they do not. On the other hand, thirty-nine per cent of those surveyed said they had no opinion on the matter.

The survey, which found President Donald Trump’s overall approval rating of 37 per cent was not substantially different to his 36 per cent mark in July, was conducted from 16-20 August and from speaking to 1,014 adults across the United States.
22 million Americans support neo-Nazis, new poll indicates

Given the wreckage of this country after nearly 4 years of Trump, there may be fewer of them now. Maybe. Nine percent is pretty disturbing.

The Barbarian · Sep 20, 2020

JimR-OCDS said:
From the article you linked;

The takeaway was that right-wing extremists represent the greatest terrorism danger. That's what the FBI found.

There are still left-wing anarchists, but they aren't out there killing police as right-wing anarchists are.

hislegacy · Sep 20, 2020

The Barbarian said:
There are still left-wing anarchists, but they aren't out there killing police as right-wing anarchists are.

That is a false fact.

It is the left wingers who associate with BLM and Antifa who are being arrested en mass for assaults on police. It was not a white supremist who shot two police offers sitting in their cruiser just days ago.

JimR-OCDS · Sep 20, 2020

The Barbarian said:
The takeaway was that right-wing extremists represent the greatest terrorism danger. That's what the FBI found.

There are still left-wing anarchists, but they aren't out there killing police as right-wing anarchists are.

Take away is the way you're spinning it, but not necessarily correct.

There are racists in both radical sides of the political spectrum

Redwingfan9 · Sep 20, 2020

The Barbarian said:
I wouldn't go that far. Trump just said that they included some "very good people." He didn't actually endorse their ideology, at least publicly. He does often emulate them, however.

The facists in the country are in the Democratic Party. Obamacare, for example, is a fascist piece of legislation. Fascists don't kill capitalists, they use them as their middle managers. Obamacare declares what a healthcare policy is allowed to be and what it must include and what it cannot include. It declares price, it even declares when the policies can be sold. It doesn't eliminate health insurance companies but it forces them to sell only what the government approves of. There's literally no difference between Obamacare and Mussolini and Hitler's economic policies in the 20's and 30's.

jgarden · Sep 20, 2020

hislegacy said:
The answer is simple really. Do the exact opposite of what the Germans did.

Support the Republic and keep the National Socialist Party out of Office.

Hitler's Nationalist Socialist Party had nothing to do with socialist:

- the Nazi leadership were not atheists and agnostics, most came from conservative, Christian backgrounds

- the Nazi's abolished Germany's unions,

- 3rd Reich supported conservative General Franco against the socialists in the Spanish Civil War,

- Hitler signed a pact with fascist Italy and conservative, militaristic Japan

- Germany invaded communist Russia during WW2

jgarden · Sep 20, 2020

The facists in the country are in the Democratic Party. Obamacare, for example, is a fascist piece of legislation. Fascists don't kill capitalists, they use them as their middle managers. Obamacare declares what a healthcare policy is allowed to be and what it must include and what it cannot include. It declares price, it even declares when the policies can be sold. It doesn't eliminat
" health insurance companies but it forces them to sell only what the government approves of. There's literally no difference between Obamacare and Mussolini and Hitler's economic policies in the 20's and 30's.

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THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT

The concept of an individual mandate goes back to at least 1989, when the conservative The Heritage Foundation proposed an individual mandate as an alternative to single-payer health care. It was championed for a time by conservative economists and Republican senators as a market-based approach to healthcare reform on the basis of individual responsibility and avoidance of free rider problems. Specifically, because the 1986 Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) requires any hospital participating in Medicare (nearly all do) to provide emergency care to anyone who needs it, the government often indirectly bore the cost of those without the ability to pay.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordable_Care_Act"
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",Redwingfan9 's" rant is based on his conservative "revisionist""version of history - Hitler ad Mussolini were once viewed as a bulwark against the spread of communism in Europe during the 1930's!

The Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) can trace its roots to the right-wing Heritage Foundation and was adopted by congressional Republicans as a viable alternative to the healthcare reforms being proposed by the Clinton Administration during the 1990's!

Governor Mitt Romney introduced a version of the Affordable Care Act in Massachusetts that was widely praised by congressional Republicans with no mention that it should ve challenged on constitutional grounds!

In a 5 to 3 decision, the Supreme Court upheld that The Affordable Care Act was constitutional - I suppose that conservatives will also accuse them of being part of some socialist/fascist conspiracy!

JimR-OCDS · Sep 20, 2020

jgarden said:
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THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT

The concept of an individual mandate goes back to at least 1989, when the conservative The Heritage Foundation proposed an individual mandate as an alternative to single-payer health care. It was championed for a time by conservative economists and Republican senators as a market-based approach to healthcare reform on the basis of individual responsibility and avoidance of free rider problems. Specifically, because the 1986 Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) requires any hospital participating in Medicare (nearly all do) to provide emergency care to anyone who needs it, the government often indirectly bore the cost of those without the ability to pay.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordable_Care_Act"
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",Redwingfan9 's" rant is based on his conservative "revisionist""version of history - Hitler ad Mussolini were once viewed as a bulwark against the spread of communism in Europe during the 1930's!

The Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) can trace its roots to the right-wing Heritage Foundation and was adopted by congressional Republicans as a viable alternative to the healthcare reforms being proposed by the Clinton Administration during the 1990's!

Governor Mitt Romney introduced a version of the Affordable Care Act in Massachusetts that was widely praised by congressional Republicans with no mention that it should ve challenged on constitutional grounds!

In a 5 to 3 decision, the Supreme Court upheld that The Affordable Care Act was constitutional - I suppose that conservatives will also accuse them of being part of some socialist/fascist conspiracy!

I was on Romneycare, and it saved my life when I was unemployed and had colon cancer

I went on Obamacare with the same policy and it was a seamless transition

johneb · Sep 20, 2020

The Barbarian said:
It can happen here; the first steps are already underway.

It is happening here in America, the education system along with the media and the far left in democrat party are trying to derail Trump and Wreck America. And give this country to the globalists, it's happening before our eyes. If america does not wake up, we will lose a nation that was founded on liberty and justice for all.

The Barbarian · Sep 21, 2020

johneb said:
It is happening here in America, the education system along with the media and the far left in democrat party are trying to derail Trump and Wreck America. And give this country to the globalists, it's happening before our eyes. If america does not wake up, we will lose a nation that was founded on liberty and justice for all.

Trump went off the rails on his own a long time ago. That wreck will take a lot of work to repair. But Americans are looking to be taking their country back this November. Let's pray that it happens.

Jermayn · Sep 21, 2020

The Barbarian said:
Trump went off the rails on his own a long time ago. That wreck will take a lot of work to repair. But Americans are looking to be taking their country back this November. Let's pray that it happens.

Posts an article on Nazi style takeover of America, then revokes American citizenship from everyone that doesn't vote for his candidate of choice.

Yeah... I can definitely see the point of your article.

renniks · Sep 21, 2020

The Barbarian said:
Many accounts of the Nazi period depict a barely imaginable series of events, a nation gone mad. That makes it easy to take comfort in the thought that it can’t happen again.
In such a time, we might be tempted to try to learn something from earlier turns toward authoritarianism, particularly the triumphant rise of the Nazis in Germany in the 1930s. The problem is that Nazism was so horrifying and so barbaric that for many people in nations where authoritarianism is now achieving a foothold, it is hard to see parallels between Hitler’s regime and their own governments. Many accounts of the Nazi period depict a barely imaginable series of events, a nation gone mad. That makes it easy to take comfort in the thought that it can’t happen again.

But some depictions of Hitler’s rise are more intimate and personal. They focus less on well-known leaders, significant events, state propaganda, murders, and war, and more on the details of individual lives. They help explain how people can not only participate in dreadful things but also stand by quietly and live fairly ordinary days in the midst of them. They offer lessons for people who now live with genuine horrors, and also for those to whom horrors may never come but who live in nations where democratic practices and norms are under severe pressure.
It Can Happen Here

Worth a read. It can happen here; the first steps are already underway.

It can happen here. That's why we don't want socialists in office.

The Barbarian · Sep 21, 2020

renniks said:
It can happen here. That's why we don't want socialists in office.

Unfortunately, national socialists have had an increasingly strong voice in the current administration. It's why most Americans want Trump out.

The Barbarian · Sep 21, 2020

Jermayn said:
then revokes American citizenship from everyone that doesn't vote for his candidate of choice.

That's become the republican way. Biden is the candidate we need precisely because he's willing to work with people with whom he disagrees. And yes, he's taken heavy criticism from the extremists on the right and on the left, for doing so. But his remarkable comeback in the primaries was powered by voters who want a return to American values.

Jermayn · Sep 21, 2020

The Barbarian said:
That's become the republican way. Biden is the candidate we need precisely because he's willing to work with people with whom he disagrees. And yes, he's taken heavy criticism from the extremists on the right and on the left, for doing so. But his remarkable comeback in the primaries was powered by voters who want a return to American values.

We all know Joe Biden is an empty suit who will do whatever the far left tells him, but that really has nothing to do with my post. You say it's the way of the Republicans, but YOU YOURSELF made the comment "But Americans are looking to be taking their country back this November", so maybe we could talk about that instead. It's called a Freudian slip btw.

renniks · Sep 21, 2020

The Barbarian said:
Unfortunately, national socialists have had an increasingly strong voice in the current administration. It's why most Americans want Trump out.

No, most of the people who want him out like aspects of socialism.

renniks · Sep 21, 2020

The Barbarian said:
That's become the republican way. Biden is the candidate we need precisely because he's willing to work with people with whom he disagrees. And yes, he's taken heavy criticism from the extremists on the right and on the left, for doing so. But his remarkable comeback in the primaries was powered by voters who want a return to American values.

Biden should be given a rocking chair and a blanket and the disney channel. He won't be running the country. Dream on.
If by american values you mean killing babies and taking away rights, then vote for Harris, because Biden will just be along for the ride.

The Barbarian · Sep 21, 2020

renniks said:
No, most of the people who want him out like aspects of socialism.

Yes, well over 90 percent of Americans like some aspects of socialism. For example:

Now in its 85th year, Social Security enjoys over 90 percent support among Democrats, Republicans and independents, according to an AARP survey of 1,441 people ages 18 and older.

The survey, conducted between July 14 and July 27, found near-universal support for Social Security: 96 percent of those polled regardless of affiliation said Social Security was either the most important government program or an important one compared with other government programs.
AARP Poll Finds 96 Percent Support Social Security 

renniks · Sep 21, 2020

The Barbarian said:
Yes, well over 90 percent of Americans like some aspects of socialism. For example:

Now in its 85th year, Social Security enjoys over 90 percent support among Democrats, Republicans and independents, according to an AARP survey of 1,441 people ages 18 and older.

The survey, conducted between July 14 and July 27, found near-universal support for Social Security: 96 percent of those polled regardless of affiliation said Social Security was either the most important government program or an important one compared with other government programs.
AARP Poll Finds 96 Percent Support Social Security 

Social security is a bit of a crock, unfortunately paying in isn't optional.

If there were no social security, the vast majority of workers would see their pay rise around 15%, because the wage taxes employers pay to Social Security come off worker's pay in the end, too. If the worker took that money and invested it over a 40-year working lifetime, the market returns, if they followed historical patterns, would provide at least as good benefits as social security does, and in many if not most cases a lot better.

However, Socialism is where the government provides services to all, irrespective of whether they contribute. In social security, we all contribute.

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