While they are saying Peace and Safety

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Well Keras I can say we've been around a while to see these things talked about MANY times. I believe we can see so much better now then ever before. So me? I live in this moment and look for Christ every moment. Thanks for sharing this :)
 
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When we actually see the peace treaty signed it will certainly get my attention. Scripture tells us that will be a false treaty but also the Anti Christ should be on the scene. We don't see him yet or that signed treaty. Something has to happen in the world to trigger the NWO that everyone wants the one leader. If this is that time we have some shaking to go through.

There's been 2 normalization of relations treaties between Israel and Muslim countries in the last month. UAE, and then Kosovo. Saudi Arabia is expected to normalize relations soon after, and I would not be surprised if Jordan and Egypt, which already have peace agreements with Israel, follow suit.
 
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While they are saying: Peace and Safety
This prophecy in 1 Thessalonians 5:3, goes on to tell us: then, sudden destruction will come upon them.

So we need to find out who are those who will say; ‘At last we have peace and safety’, and who the sudden destruction will fall upon.


We can be sure this is about the latter days, as it refers to Jesus prophecy in Matthew 24:8 All these things are the birth pangs of the new age.

We also know that it will happen before Jesus Returns, as Paul tells us in 1Thessalonians 4:16 The Lord will come from heaven with a shout; the voice of an archangel and the trumpet of God.

Whereas at this sudden destruction, before the Return, He will come unexpectedly.

This event is obviously the multi prophesied Day of the Lord’s fiery wrath; the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. The Lord will not be seen on that Day. Amos 1, Psalms 11:4-6


The focal point of God’s Plan on earth, is the holy Land, the place His eyes are fixed upon. Deuteronomy 11:11-12

The situation there has been extremely volatile for many years, but just recently there has been a change, with the United Arab Emirates normalizing relations with the Jewish State of Israel. Also many other Middle East nations are overtly [instead of covertly] in diplomatic and trade discussions with Israel.


This considerable improvement toward stability and peace in the region, has resulted in many comments of optimism and hope for peace and safety at last for Israel and the Islamic peoples. Those diplomats and commentators are the first ‘they’.


EXCEPT for Iran and their proxies. Their Shi-ite version of Islam remains committed to the destruction of the Jewish people and the removal of Israel from the Middle East.

We see many prophecies which say how the Lord will destroy His enemies, Psalms 83, Micah 4:11-12 and Revelation 6:12-17, are the most specific. They all say that the Lord will take action when an attack upon Israel is commenced. He will not allow nukes to explode in His holy Land.


Therefore, ‘them’, are the peoples who hate Israel and attempt to wipe them off the map.

It WILL happen, God’s Word prophecies it and Satan is the force behind Islam, plus the leaders of Iran are facing revolution for their mismanagement and incompetence. They must act to retain power by diverting attention from themselves.

This is what I think you are saying:

Israel achieves peace and safety via agreements (or treaties) with its neighbors. Some other nations are so mad about this that they want to nuke Israel. Jesus comes back to then obliterate those nations instead.

Why does Israel have to achieve peace and safety via agreements? Why can't Israel do it via war? Why can't Israel obliterate its neighbors, like the obliteration of Damascus? Then revenge options open up.
 
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While they are saying: Peace and Safety
This prophecy in 1 Thessalonians 5:3, goes on to tell us: then, sudden destruction will come upon them.

So we need to find out who are those who will say; ‘At last we have peace and safety’, and who the sudden destruction will fall upon.


We can be sure this is about the latter days, as it refers to Jesus prophecy in Matthew 24:8 All these things are the birth pangs of the new age.

We also know that it will happen before Jesus Returns, as Paul tells us in 1Thessalonians 4:16 The Lord will come from heaven with a shout; the voice of an archangel and the trumpet of God.

Whereas at this sudden destruction, before the Return, He will come unexpectedly.

This event is obviously the multi prophesied Day of the Lord’s fiery wrath; the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. The Lord will not be seen on that Day. Amos 1, Psalms 11:4-6


The focal point of God’s Plan on earth, is the holy Land, the place His eyes are fixed upon. Deuteronomy 11:11-12

The situation there has been extremely volatile for many years, but just recently there has been a change, with the United Arab Emirates normalizing relations with the Jewish State of Israel. Also many other Middle East nations are overtly [instead of covertly] in diplomatic and trade discussions with Israel.


This considerable improvement toward stability and peace in the region, has resulted in many comments of optimism and hope for peace and safety at last for Israel and the Islamic peoples. Those diplomats and commentators are the first ‘they’.


EXCEPT for Iran and their proxies. Their Shi-ite version of Islam remains committed to the destruction of the Jewish people and the removal of Israel from the Middle East.

We see many prophecies which say how the Lord will destroy His enemies, Psalms 83, Micah 4:11-12 and Revelation 6:12-17, are the most specific. They all say that the Lord will take action when an attack upon Israel is commenced. He will not allow nukes to explode in His holy Land.


Therefore, ‘them’, are the peoples who hate Israel and attempt to wipe them off the map.

It WILL happen, God’s Word prophecies it and Satan is the force behind Islam, plus the leaders of Iran are facing revolution for their mismanagement and incompetence. They must act to retain power by diverting attention from themselves.

Good post but I would include all who do not believe in Christ in "them", including the Jews of Israel who place their trust and hope in the temporary and temporal "peace and safety" drawn up in agreements between corrupt men.

In fact, the sudden destruction to come upon Jerusalem's inhabitants through the prophesied attack on Jerusalem certainly includes the Jews whose faith and trust is not in the Prince of Peace.
 
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Its good to note that this futurism/dispensationalism is modern and a minority view of eschatology inside Christianity.
It's also good to note that consensus has never been a yardstick by which to measure truth.
 
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Thats why its good to always give all possible views in the eschatology OP, not just your own.

Or at least note that its just one of many possible views, if its impossible to present also others.
How many people do that in a Christian forum? How many people do that when they preach their own views only from the Pulpit? How many A-millennials do this?

Your protest smacks of hypocrisy. "Good for thee but not for me".
 
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Want me to write a book?
What I present are known facts and Biblical truths. Why bother with anything else?
You just keep on presenting the Bible's prophecies, quoting as you do from scripture, and let others in a forum make up their minds, as you always do, and leave those whose level of maturity does not allow for views opposing their own, to be who they want to be. I don't always believe exactly what you do, but you're doing a fine job Keras.
 
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Eschatology is not about facts. Its about guesses.

Its wrong to present your guesses as facts. Some new people can be mistaken, thinking that this is what all Christians believe.
Christians are FREE to believe according to their own level of understanding and insight, and no Christian has a monopoly on truth, least of all yourself. It's you who hates freedom.
 
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People who splash their 'charts' and opinions all over the place, are counter productive and unhelpful to knowing what the next prophesied event will be.
Surely people can see how volatile and unstable the Middle East is now. They are all overpopulated and unable to produce anywhere near what is needed to feed themselves.
Just looking at what has happened historically to nations in similar situations, there must come a dramatic change and reduction of their population.

Covid 19 hasn't done it, but a war will. A war started by an Islamic confederation, but finished by the Lord. Ezekiel 7:14, Psalms 83

You really should read, Jesus and Israel: One Covenant or Two? By David Holwerda.

You would find it quite helpful.
 
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This is what I think you are saying:

Israel achieves peace and safety via agreements (or treaties) with its neighbors. Some other nations are so mad about this that they want to nuke Israel. Jesus comes back to then obliterate those nations instead.

Why does Israel have to achieve peace and safety via agreements? Why can't Israel do it via war? Why can't Israel obliterate its neighbors, like the obliteration of Damascus? Then revenge options open up.
Daniel 11 mentions marriages and political moves typically associated with peace agreements, before the King of the North takes military action I think trying to achieve peace with negotiation is the most likely.
 
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While they are saying: Peace and Safety
This prophecy in 1 Thessalonians 5:3, goes on to tell us: then, sudden destruction will come upon them.

So we need to find out who are those who will say; ‘At last we have peace and safety’, and who the sudden destruction will fall upon.


We can be sure this is about the latter days, as it refers to Jesus prophecy in Matthew 24:8 All these things are the birth pangs of the new age.

We also know that it will happen before Jesus Returns, as Paul tells us in 1Thessalonians 4:16 The Lord will come from heaven with a shout; the voice of an archangel and the trumpet of God.

Whereas at this sudden destruction, before the Return, He will come unexpectedly.

This event is obviously the multi prophesied Day of the Lord’s fiery wrath; the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. The Lord will not be seen on that Day. Amos 1, Psalms 11:4-6


The focal point of God’s Plan on earth, is the holy Land, the place His eyes are fixed upon. Deuteronomy 11:11-12

The situation there has been extremely volatile for many years, but just recently there has been a change, with the United Arab Emirates normalizing relations with the Jewish State of Israel. Also many other Middle East nations are overtly [instead of covertly] in diplomatic and trade discussions with Israel.


This considerable improvement toward stability and peace in the region, has resulted in many comments of optimism and hope for peace and safety at last for Israel and the Islamic peoples. Those diplomats and commentators are the first ‘they’.


EXCEPT for Iran and their proxies. Their Shi-ite version of Islam remains committed to the destruction of the Jewish people and the removal of Israel from the Middle East.

We see many prophecies which say how the Lord will destroy His enemies, Psalms 83, Micah 4:11-12 and Revelation 6:12-17, are the most specific. They all say that the Lord will take action when an attack upon Israel is commenced. He will not allow nukes to explode in His holy Land.


Therefore, ‘them’, are the peoples who hate Israel and attempt to wipe them off the map.

It WILL happen, God’s Word prophecies it and Satan is the force behind Islam, plus the leaders of Iran are facing revolution for their mismanagement and incompetence. They must act to retain power by diverting attention from themselves.


What precedes the 2nd coming is the 42 month reign of the beast. This sudden destruction would have to come at the end of this reign, not before, or at the beginning of it. Therefore, when they are saying peace and safety, it would be during this reign when they are saying that. But who would be saying it? The saints that are being made war against and persecuted at the time? No. The ones that would be saying it would be the ones worshiping the beast during it's 42 month reign, since the beast wouldn't be making war with them and persecuting them, the fact they are complying with it's demands and not in opposition to it's demands like the saints are.

Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

As to the 6th seal events, this is after this 42 month reign in question, therefore this sudden destruction comes upon them sometime during those events.
 
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Therefore, ‘them’, are the peoples who hate Israel and attempt to wipe them off the map.

Incorrect. Your reaction is typical of the Church, for denial is the open sore on the plague-ravaged body of Christianity. You got wrong Israel. God did not talk about national Israel, but His New Testament Congregation of Israel, the church, that was supposed to represent His Kingdom. You have the same type of denial that ravaged Old Testament Israel 2000 years ago (John 8:39-43). They thought they were worshiping God also when all the time they were in denial of Him. And the same delusion is happening in our day. So many Churches believe that they are worshiping the God of the Bible, when in fact they are worshiping some "other god and preaching some other gospel."

1st Thessalonians 5:3
  • "For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape."
The context of 1st Thessalonians 5 was talking about CHURCH, not national Israel. That's a "warning" to the Church that there is a time coming when there would be a great deception, where professed Christians wrongly believe they have faith in Christ. They "think" they have peace with God and they "think" they are in safety in the arms of the Lord, when in fact they are those under the wrath of God and their feet are ready to slide. Their professions of faith are meaningless because they have fallen away from the faith.

The peace and safety have to go with false prophets and christs (symbolically locusts) bringing false gospel that takes away peace (salvation) so that people within the church will run to and from but cannot find salvation, Revelation 9:1-6.

You need to stop reading Jerusalem Post and the news in the Middle East thinking that Israel's peace and safety will be destroyed by enemies whether its Islam, Russia, or the antichrist. Check with the spiritual condition of your church first!
 
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Good post but I would include all who do not believe in Christ in "them", including the Jews of Israel who place their trust and hope in the temporary and temporal "peace and safety" drawn up in agreements between corrupt men.

In fact, the sudden destruction to come upon Jerusalem's inhabitants through the prophesied attack on Jerusalem certainly includes the Jews whose faith and trust is not in the Prince of Peace.
Quite correct.
This forthcoming devastation from the Lord, will strike all of His enemies in all of the Middle East region. Isaiah 29:1-4 describes Israel. The surviving remnant will hide in bunkers.
You really should read, Jesus and Israel: One Covenant or Two? By David Holwerda.
If he promotes a separate Covenant for Jewish Israel, then he is wrong and I reject his premise.
Daniel 11 mentions marriages and political moves typically associated with peace agreements, before the King of the North takes military action I think trying to achieve peace with negotiation is the most likely.
Daniel 11:1-28 is fulfilled prophecy. Then Daniel 11:29-45, is for the end time - the 42 months that the World leader will have full control. Revelation 13:5-8

What I presented in the OP; is what will happen soon, when Iran, in their desperation to pay back actual and perceived Israeli hits against them, will attempt to 'wipe Israel off the map'.
Jeremiah 49:35-37 and Ezekiel 32:24-25 tell of their fate.
 
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End times experts are as numerous as grains of sand on a beach. And so are their 'prophecies!
The apologetics way has been going on for 2000 years without resolve. The eschatology way is about resolve because we have enough information to know that we are living in the last days, end times, time of the end - when resolve will finally be made.
 
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The apologetics way has been going on for 2000 years without resolve. The eschatology way is about resolve because we have enough information to know that we are living in the last days, end times, time of the end - when resolve will finally be made.

Last days / end times has been every day since Our Lord's ressurrection
 
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Last days / end times has been every day since Our Lord's ressurrection

That is true, but Jesus gave us signs to look for and told us to watch and pray for His return. The doctrine of imminency that teaches there are no signs to watch for is false, and for those people it really will take them as a thief in the night.

.. and Jesus and Paul implied that that would be a bad thing to happen, to be overtaken as by a thief in the night.
 
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Last days / end times has been every day since Our Lord's ressurrection
Understanding of the end times has not. Latter days, latter years, are in Ezekiel 38., Israel a nation again, Jerusalem in the hands of the Jews, parable of the fig tree generation. A nation born in a single day.

Jews (Judaism) vs Christians have been arguing the same arguments for 2000 years without resolve - apologetic way. Resolve is coming eschatology way.
 
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