What is the Woman's Seed?

wisdompersonified · Sep 5, 2020

I think the Woman's Seed leads us to something profound. This is just more evidence that the Bible is the true Word of God and it's time to give your life to Christ.

Let's start with when God made Eve.

Genesis 2

21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

First off, this is God carrying out a surgery on Adam. God didn't have to make Eve this way but he chose to make her this way. You can see this same sequence happening in any surgery happening in the world or you can watch any Hospital drama on TV and you see these exact steps being played out.

First, God cause Adam to fall into a deep sleep.

Next, he opens Adam up and takes out one of his ribs.

Finally, he CLOSED UP THE FLESH!

Let me say that again,

HE CLOSED UP THE FLESH!

At the end of every surgery, you hear these words. Okay, let's close him/her up.

Again, God didn't have to do it this way. I believe he did it this way for our benefit. We would see that God carried out a surgery on Adam and we would recognize the procedure. I think this had to do with genetics and that brings us to the Woman's Seed.

Genesis 3

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Everyone says this verse is about Jesus Christ and it is but there's more to see here.

What's the Woman's Seed? It's Mitochondrial DNA!

Again, God was showing us a clear understanding of genetics. Here's more:

In most multicellular organisms, mtDNA is inherited from the mother (maternally inherited). Mechanisms for this include simple dilution (an egg contains on average 200,000 mtDNA molecules, whereas a healthy human sperm has been reported to contain on average 5 molecules),[32][33] degradation of sperm mtDNA in the male genital tract and in the fertilized egg; and, at least in a few organisms, failure of sperm mtDNA to enter the egg. Whatever the mechanism, this single parent (uniparental inheritance) pattern of mtDNA inheritance is found in most animals, most plants and also in fungi.

In sexual reproduction, mitochondria are normally inherited exclusively from the mother; the mitochondria in mammalian sperm are usually destroyed by the egg cell after fertilization. Also, mitochondria are only in the sperm tail, which is used for propelling the sperm cells and sometimes the tail is lost during fertilization. In 1999 it was reported that paternal sperm mitochondria (containing mtDNA) are marked with ubiquitin to select them for later destruction inside the embryo.[35] Some in vitro fertilization techniques, particularly injecting a sperm into an oocyte, may interfere with this.

The fact that mitochondrial DNA is maternally inherited enables genealogical researchers to trace maternal lineage far back in time. (Y-chromosomal DNA, paternally inherited, is used in an analogous way to determine the patrilineal history.) This is usually accomplished on human mitochondrial DNA by sequencing the hypervariable control regions (HVR1 or HVR2), and sometimes the complete molecule of the mitochondrial DNA, as a genealogical DNA test.[36] HVR1, for example, consists of about 440 base pairs. These 440 base pairs are compared to the same regions of other individuals (either specific people or subjects in a database) to determine maternal lineage. Most often, the comparison is made with the revised Cambridge Reference Sequence. Vilà et al. have published studies tracing the matrilineal descent of domestic dogs from wolves.[37] The concept of the Mitochondrial Eve is based on the same type of analysis, attempting to discover the origin of humanity by tracking the lineage back in time.

Mitochondrial DNA - Wikipedia

This just blows your mind. The Bible is the true Word of God.

Mitochondrial DNA is the Woman's Seed. It's passed down through the maternal line and Scientist can trace the lineage back to the Mother of all humans called Mitochondrial Eve.

Jesus had to be born to a Virgin. We're all born into sin an iniquity because of Adam. So Jesus was born without sin and was the Woman's Seed. This is why Paul calls Jesus the second Adam.

So Jesus had to take on humanity by being born of a Virgin. This makes Jesus the Woman's Seed. Through Christ we all are born again but not under Adam's sin.

1 Corinthians 15

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

2 Corinthians 5

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

When you're in Christ you're a new creature. Adam's sin separated us from God. The way this was reconciled is through Christ being born of the Woman's Seed(Mitochondrial DNA).

The first Adam was made from the earth. He was human but was given a spiritual body that separated from God when Adam sinned. The Second or Last Adam, Jesus Christ was from Heaven and already had a spiritual body and took on humanity through the Woman's Seed. So he was born to a Virgin. This reconciled us to God and we become born again in Christ.

I believe those in the Heavenly realms like the sons of God(angels) have multidimensional bodies or spiritual bodies that become like flesh when they descend to our dimension. So they look like us.

We see this when the sons of God had children with the daughters of men. When they descend they become flesh but not human. In Sodom and Gomorrah, the men wanted to sleep with the angels.

Genesis 19

1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.

3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

The men of Sodom asked where are the men. The angels looked like us. They even ate and were about to lay down.

After the Resurrection, Jesus appeared to the Disciples even though the doors were shut yet he was still flesh.

John 20

19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.

So our human bodies will be transformed into spiritual bodies at the Resurrection. This human body we're in right now is a seed that will be transformed.

The Bible also says, we may entertain angels and we're not aware.

Hebrews 13

2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

God was showing us in Genesis a profound understanding of genetics. He gave us a way to be saved through the Woman's Seed which was Christ. God understood that the new seed couldn't be born under Adam and there's a maternal line through Mitochondrial DNA, the Woman's Seed.

GIVE YOUR LIFE TO CHRIST TODAY!

eleos1954 · Sep 5, 2020

wisdompersonified said:
I think the Woman's Seed leads us to something profound. This is just more evidence that the Bible is the true Word of God and it's time to give your life to Christ.

Let's start with when God made Eve.

Genesis 2

21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

First off, this is God carrying out a surgery on Adam. God didn't have to make Eve this way but he chose to make her this way. You can see this same sequence happening in any surgery happening in the world or you can watch any Hospital drama on TV and you see these exact steps being played out.

First, God cause Adam to fall into a deep sleep.

Next, he opens Adam up and takes out one of his ribs.

Finally, he CLOSED UP THE FLESH!

Let me say that again,

HE CLOSED UP THE FLESH!

At the end of every surgery, you hear these words. Okay, let's close him/her up.

Again, God didn't have to do it this way. I believe he did it this way for our benefit. We would see that God carried out a surgery on Adam and we would recognize the procedure. I think this had to do with genetics and that brings us to the Woman's Seed.

Genesis 3

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Everyone says this verse is about Jesus Christ and it is but there's more to see here.

What's the Woman's Seed? It's Mitochondrial DNA!

Again, God was showing us a clear understanding of genetics. Here's more:

In most multicellular organisms, mtDNA is inherited from the mother (maternally inherited). Mechanisms for this include simple dilution (an egg contains on average 200,000 mtDNA molecules, whereas a healthy human sperm has been reported to contain on average 5 molecules),[32][33] degradation of sperm mtDNA in the male genital tract and in the fertilized egg; and, at least in a few organisms, failure of sperm mtDNA to enter the egg. Whatever the mechanism, this single parent (uniparental inheritance) pattern of mtDNA inheritance is found in most animals, most plants and also in fungi.

In sexual reproduction, mitochondria are normally inherited exclusively from the mother; the mitochondria in mammalian sperm are usually destroyed by the egg cell after fertilization. Also, mitochondria are only in the sperm tail, which is used for propelling the sperm cells and sometimes the tail is lost during fertilization. In 1999 it was reported that paternal sperm mitochondria (containing mtDNA) are marked with ubiquitin to select them for later destruction inside the embryo.[35] Some in vitro fertilization techniques, particularly injecting a sperm into an oocyte, may interfere with this.

The fact that mitochondrial DNA is maternally inherited enables genealogical researchers to trace maternal lineage far back in time. (Y-chromosomal DNA, paternally inherited, is used in an analogous way to determine the patrilineal history.) This is usually accomplished on human mitochondrial DNA by sequencing the hypervariable control regions (HVR1 or HVR2), and sometimes the complete molecule of the mitochondrial DNA, as a genealogical DNA test.[36] HVR1, for example, consists of about 440 base pairs. These 440 base pairs are compared to the same regions of other individuals (either specific people or subjects in a database) to determine maternal lineage. Most often, the comparison is made with the revised Cambridge Reference Sequence. Vilà et al. have published studies tracing the matrilineal descent of domestic dogs from wolves.[37] The concept of the Mitochondrial Eve is based on the same type of analysis, attempting to discover the origin of humanity by tracking the lineage back in time.

Mitochondrial DNA - Wikipedia

This just blows your mind. The Bible is the true Word of God.

Mitochondrial DNA is the Woman's Seed. It's passed down through the maternal line and Scientist can trace the lineage back to the Mother of all humans called Mitochondrial Eve.

Jesus had to be born to a Virgin. We're all born into sin an iniquity because of Adam. So Jesus was born without sin and was the Woman's Seed. This is why Paul calls Jesus the second Adam.

So Jesus had to take on humanity by being born of a Virgin. This makes Jesus the Woman's Seed. Through Christ we all are born again but not under Adam's sin.

1 Corinthians 15

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

2 Corinthians 5

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

When you're in Christ you're a new creature. Adam's sin separated us from God. The way this was reconciled is through Christ being born of the Woman's Seed(Mitochondrial DNA).

The first Adam was made from the earth. He was human but was given a spiritual body that separated from God when Adam sinned. The Second or Last Adam, Jesus Christ was from Heaven and already had a spiritual body and took on humanity through the Woman's Seed. So he was born to a Virgin. This reconciled us to God and we become born again in Christ.

I believe those in the Heavenly realms like the sons of God(angels) have multidimensional bodies or spiritual bodies that become like flesh when they descend to our dimension. So they look like us.

We see this when the sons of God had children with the daughters of men. When they descend they become flesh but not human. In Sodom and Gomorrah, the men wanted to sleep with the angels.

Genesis 19

1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.

3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

The men of Sodom asked where are the men. The angels looked like us. They even ate and were about to lay down.

After the Resurrection, Jesus appeared to the Disciples even though the doors were shut yet he was still flesh.

John 20

19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.

So our human bodies will be transformed into spiritual bodies at the Resurrection. This human body we're in right now is a seed that will be transformed.

The Bible also says, we may entertain angels and we're not aware.

Hebrews 13

2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

God was showing us in Genesis a profound understanding of genetics. He gave us a way to be saved through the Woman's Seed which was Christ. God understood that the new seed couldn't be born under Adam and there's a maternal line through Mitochondrial DNA, the Woman's Seed.

GIVE YOUR LIFE TO CHRIST TODAY!

DNA is found in the blood. Jesus could have not received DNA from Mary else He would have received mankinds sin nature.

The Hebrew noun zeracis usually employed as a collective noun to designate "offspring, posterity" in the sense of descendants as a single group. However, it can be used to refer to a single descendant (e.g., 2 Sam. 7:12, 13). In Genesis 3:15 we find both usages present. We read about the descendants of the woman and the descendants of the serpent/Satan, but at the same time mention is made of a male descendant of the woman (hû') who will crush "your [singular] head," that is to say, the serpent's head. Whenever "seed" denotes a particular descendant, the pronoun that follows it is in the singular.
The Greek translation of the Old Testament, the Septuagint (LXX), suggests that the translators understood the passage to be a promise of a future descendant. In this particular case they understood "seed" not in its collective sense but rather as designating a single descendant.

thy seed (in reference to satan) Satan is an angel .... nowhere in His word does it state angels have the ability to procreate.

The usage of "seed" is symbolic not physical. It is symbolic of good seed (God/Jesus) and evil (satan) bad seed (weed seeds). The Lord sows good seed .... satan corrupts the seed and plants weeds.

wisdompersonified · Sep 6, 2020

eleos1954 said:
DNA is found in the blood. Jesus could have not received DNA from Mary else He would have received mankinds sin nature.

The Hebrew noun zeracis usually employed as a collective noun to designate "offspring, posterity" in the sense of descendants as a single group. However, it can be used to refer to a single descendant (e.g., 2 Sam. 7:12, 13). In Genesis 3:15 we find both usages present. We read about the descendants of the woman and the descendants of the serpent/Satan, but at the same time mention is made of a male descendant of the woman (hû') who will crush "your [singular] head," that is to say, the serpent's head. Whenever "seed" denotes a particular descendant, the pronoun that follows it is in the singular.
The Greek translation of the Old Testament, the Septuagint (LXX), suggests that the translators understood the passage to be a promise of a future descendant. In this particular case they understood "seed" not in its collective sense but rather as designating a single descendant.

thy seed (in reference to satan) Satan is an angel .... nowhere in His word does it state angels have the ability to procreate.

The usage of "seed" is symbolic not physical. It is symbolic of good seed (God/Jesus) and evil (satan) bad seed (weed seeds). The Lord sows good seed .... satan corrupts the seed and plants weeds.

I have to respectfully disagree with this.

First off, Jesus was fully human and was born of a Virgin through the Woman's Seed whic his Mitochondrial DNA. This why he had to be born of a Virgin. If Jesus wasn't fully human than what's the point? Why was he born of a Virgin and God didn't just make him from the dust like he did Adam?

He was born to a woman because he became fully human through the Woman's Seed. Mitochondrial DNA is passed down through the woman. Christ had to be born of a Virgin to avoid being born under Adam because sin came through Adam.

Romans 5:12

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Romans 5:17

For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

In 1 Timothy 2:5 it says:

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Jesus was fully God and fully human. If he wasn't born fully human through Mary then why was he born through a woman at all?

I don't think everything in the Bible is just symbolism or esoteric. God works through His Creation at times and things are literal not symbolic.

Like I said, God didn't have to carry out a surgery on Adam to make Eve but he did. God didn't need a garden but he made one.

The Word became flesh.

John

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Again, if Jesus wasn't fully human than why was he born to a woman? If Jesus wasn't fully human than what was he when he walked the earth?

Secondly, I do think the sons of God were angels who slept with females either through their human looking bodies that they have when they descend or they entered and took over human bodies.

Here's what happened in Job.

Job 1:6

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

This is how the NIV translates this verse:

One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.

In Genesis 6:2

That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

2 Peter 2:4 says:

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

I think this was part of their rebellion.

eleos1954 · Sep 6, 2020

wisdompersonified said:
I have to respectfully disagree with this.

First off, Jesus was fully human and was born of a Virgin through the Woman's Seed whic his Mitochondrial DNA. This why he had to be born of a Virgin. If Jesus wasn't fully human than what's the point? Why was he born of a Virgin and God didn't just make him from the dust like he did Adam?

He was born to a woman because he became fully human through the Woman's Seed. Mitochondrial DNA is passed down through the woman. Christ had to be born of a Virgin to avoid being born under Adam because sin came through Adam.

Romans 5:12

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Romans 5:17

For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

In 1 Timothy 2:5 it says:

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Jesus was fully God and fully human. If he wasn't born fully human through Mary then why was he born through a woman at all?

I don't think everything in the Bible is just symbolism or esoteric. God works through His Creation at times and things are literal not symbolic.

Like I said, God didn't have to carry out a surgery on Adam to make Eve but he did. God didn't need a garden but he made one.

The Word became flesh.

John

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Again, if Jesus wasn't fully human than why was he born to a woman? If Jesus wasn't fully human than what was he when he walked the earth?

Secondly, I do think the sons of God were angels who slept with females either through their human looking bodies that they have when they descend or they entered and took over human bodies.

Here's what happened in Job.

Job 1:6

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

This is how the NIV translates this verse:

One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.

In Genesis 6:2

That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

2 Peter 2:4 says:

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

I think this was part of their rebellion.

wisdompersonified said:

Jesus was fully God and fully human. If he wasn't born fully human through Mary then why was he born through a woman at all?

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Because no man can see God and live.

Exodus 33:20

English Standard Version
But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for man shall not see me and live.”

John 1:18
No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father's side, has made Him known.

Philippians 2:7
But made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.

Strongs

the form
morphé: form, shape
Original Word: μορφή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: morphé
Phonetic Spelling: (mor-fay')
Definition: form, shape
Usage: form, shape, outward appearance.

likeness

homoióma: that which is made like (something)
Original Word: ὁμοίωμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: homoióma
Phonetic Spelling: (hom-oy'-o-mah)
Definition: that which is made like (something)
Usage: (originally: a thing made like something else), a likeness, or rather: form; a similitude.
HELPS Word-studies
3667 homoíōma (a neuter noun derived from homos, "the same") – properly, the same as; likeness, similitude (resemblance).

3667 /homoíōma ("likeness, particular similarity") is a comparison used to increase understanding. 3667 /homoíōma ("resemblance") does not require one element of a comparison to be derived from the other; indeed, it can be wholly separate from it. Rather, 3667 (homoíōma) refers to a basic analogy (resemblance), not an exact copy.
He was fully God ... and fully man ... yet without sin.

Mary, although a devout follower of the Lord she had a sin nature ... just like all of humanity has had since the fall of Adam & Eve. And just like all of humanity this sin nature is passed through genetically through human blood.

Colossians 2:9
For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,

Jesus blood is/was pure .... not tainted ... why? Because He was completely conceived by the Holy Sprit within Mary. Mary's body provided the physical means how He would be born in the form/likeness (outward appearance) of a man. We are covered by the purity of His blood ... nothing else will do. The conception was all a supernatural act of God within her and nothing from herself.

Mary was a virgin (Luke 1:34; cf. Matt. 1:25). She was found to be with child, not from being with a man, but by the Holy Spirit (Matt. 1:18; cf. Luke 1:35): "for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit" (Matt. 1:20). Because Jesus' birth was brought about from above, Mary's sin nature was by-passed and there was given to the world the Christ, the sinless Son of the living God (Matt. 16:16; John 3:16). Jesus, the second and last man Adam (1 Cor. 15:45, 47), did not inherit a sin nature ( Rom. 5:12-21).

He was fully human but without sin. DNA happens at conception ... and the Holy Spirit alone caused that conception. That would mean the son of God had DNA that was totally and purely unique to Him (from a unique seed).
Jesus has DNA created entirely by God at the time of His conception.

Something you might find interesting scientifically .... the placenta

The placenta protects the mother and fetus
One of the placenta's jobs is to make sure blood from the mother and fetus never mixes. The placenta acts as an exchange surface between the mother and the fetus. Nutrients and oxygen are passed over by diffusion only.

WebersHome · Sep 6, 2020

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wisdompersonified said:
Christ had to be born of a Virgin to avoid being born under Adam

● Gen 2:21-22 . . So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, He took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh. Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man

The Hebrew word for "rib" is tsela' (tsay-law') and Gen 2:21-22 contains the only two places in the entire Old Testament where it's translated with an English word representing a skeletal bone. In the other twenty-nine places, it's translated "side" which is really how tsela' should be translated because according to Gen 2:23, the material taken from Adam included some of his flesh; and seeing as how the life of the flesh is in the blood (Lev 17:11) then I think it's safe to assume that the flesh God took from Adam's body to construct the woman contained some of his blood too.

In other words: we can accept "rib" if we allow it a description similar to a serving of barbecued rib that consists of not only bone, but also blood and meat.

The most important thing to note is that Eve wasn't created directly from the soil as Adam was, viz: she wasn't a discreet creation, i.e. Eve wasn't her own unique specie.

Being as Eve was created from Adam's flesh, blood, and bones, then the flesh, blood, and bones of her body were reproductions of his flesh, blood, and bones. Therefore any and all biological progeny produced by Eve's body, whether virgin-conceived or normally conceived, would consist of Adam's body, i.e. they would be his progeny just as much as Eve's if any part of her body was in any way at all involved in the conception.

Now unless somebody can prove beyond even a shadow of sensible doubt that Jesus Christ's biological mother was in no way biologically related to Eve, then we must concede that Jesus Christ was biologically related to Adam via Eve's body, i.e. Jesus was made of Adam's bone, flesh, and blood.

Speaking to the Serpent about Eve; God said:

● Gen 3:15 . . I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.

It's generally agreed that passage predicts Jesus Christ. Well; if he's in fact the woman's seed, then he's Adam's seed too because her seed was made from his body.

There's more.

● Rom 1:3 . . His son Jesus Christ our Lord was made of the seed of David according to the flesh

The koiné Greek word for "seed" in that passage is sperma (sper' mah) which is a bit ambiguous because it can refer to biological reproduction and/or spiritual reproduction.

I think it's pretty safe to assume that the passage below is speaking of spiritual reproduction.

"If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." (Gal 3:29)

However; Rom 1:3 is definitely speaking of biological reproduction because David's seed is according to the flesh, i.e. his body.

So, unless somebody can prove beyond a shadow of sensible doubt that David was in no way Adam's biological progeny, then we must concede that God's son Jesus Christ our Lord was also Adam's biological progeny via David's seed according to the flesh.

BTW: Rom 1:3 is handy for proving that David was Mary's biological grandfather.
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WebersHome · Sep 6, 2020

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The so-called fallen nature is commonly believed to be inherited from one's biological father. If so; then whence did Eve get it?

She was already born before Adam tasted the forbidden fruit so he couldn't pass the fallen nature to her via reproduction because it wasn't in him to pass on until after he ate the fruit.

FAQ: If not from Adam, then how did Eve get it?

A: In the past, I was sure the chemistry of the forbidden fruit had something to do with Eve's fallen condition. But when she tasted it, nothing happened. She went right on just as nude as before without experiencing the slightest compunction.

So then, if we rule out Adam, and rule out the fruit; we're left with two alternatives: either God did it to them or the Serpent did it. My money is on the Serpent, a.k.a. the Devil (Rev 20:2)

He has the power of death (Heb 2:14) and is able to tamper with the human body and the human mind in ways not easily detected; e.g. Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2.

The Serpent was apparently all set and ready to wield his power the moment that Adam crossed the line and ate that fruit. It amazes me how quickly it worked. As soon as Adam tasted the fruit, they immediately set to work with the fig leaves.

FAQ: Why wasn't Eve effected by the Serpent's power of death when she tasted the forbidden fruit?

A: It was apparently God's decision that if sin and death were to come into the world, it would come via a male's actions just as life and righteousness would later be offered to the world via a male's actions. (Rom 5:12-21)

FAQ: When does the Serpent do his lethal work on people. . . in the womb or out of the womb?

A: Adam and Eve demonstrate that it can be done on adults, but I'm guessing that for most of us it's in the womb. (Ps 51:5)

In conclusion: even if Joseph had been baby Jesus' end-game biological father, the child wouldn't have necessarily been born with the so-called fallen nature because it's not passed on by one's biological father nor by one's biological mother. It's obtained from humanity's other father; the Serpent-- ergo: protecting baby Jesus from the so-called fallen nature was just a simple matter of keeping the Serpent's paws off him.

"He has no hold on me" (John 14:30)

FAQ: Well if that's the case, then why not let Joseph be Jesus' biological father?

A: It was God's determination that Jesus be both human and divine, i.e. Son of God, and Son of Man. (Luke 1:31)
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wisdompersonified · Sep 7, 2020

WebersHome said:
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● Gen 2:21-22 . . So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, He took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh. Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man

The Hebrew word for "rib" is tsela' (tsay-law') and Gen 2:21-22 contains the only two places in the entire Old Testament where it's translated with an English word representing a skeletal bone. In the other twenty-nine places, it's translated "side" which is really how tsela' should be translated because according to Gen 2:23, the material taken from Adam included some of his flesh; and seeing as how the life of the flesh is in the blood (Lev 17:11) then I think it's safe to assume that the flesh God took from Adam's body to construct the woman contained some of his blood too.

In other words: we can accept "rib" if we allow it a description similar to a barbecued rib; a serving that contains not bone alone rather, bone, blood, and meat.

The most important thing to note is that Eve wasn't created directly from the soil as Adam was, viz: she wasn't a discreet creation, i.e. Eve wasn't her own unique specie.

Being as Eve was created from Adam's flesh, blood, and bones, then the flesh, blood, and bones of her body were reproductions of his flesh, blood, and bones. Therefore any and all biological progeny produced by Eve's body, whether virgin-conceived or normally conceived, would consist of Adam's body, i.e. they would be his progeny just as much as Eve's if any part of her body was in any way at all involved in the conception.

Now unless somebody can prove beyond even a shadow of sensible doubt that Jesus Christ's biological mother was in no way biologically related to Eve, then we must concede that Jesus Christ was biologically related to Adam via Eve's body, i.e. Jesus was made of Adam's bone, flesh, and blood.

Speaking to the Serpent about Eve; God said:

● Gen 3:15 . . I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.

It's generally agreed that passage predicts Jesus Christ. Well; if he's in fact the woman's seed, then he's Adam's seed too because her seed was made from his body.

There's more.

● Rom 1:3 . . His son Jesus Christ our Lord was made of the seed of David according to the flesh

The koiné Greek word for "seed" in that passage is sperma (sper' mah) which is a bit ambiguous because it can refer to biological reproduction and/or spiritual reproduction.

I think it's pretty safe to assume that the passage below is speaking of spiritual reproduction.

"If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." (Gal 3:29)

However; Rom 1:3 is definitely speaking of biological reproduction because David's seed is according to the flesh, i.e. his body.

So, unless somebody can prove beyond a shadow of sensible doubt that David was in no way Adam's biological progeny, then we must concede that God's son Jesus Christ our Lord was also Adam's biological progeny via David's seed according to the flesh.

BTW: Rom 1:3 is handy for proving that David was Mary's biological grandfather.
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You're wrong on several fronts.

First, you said he's Adam's seed. This is just wrong. Sin entered the world through one man, Adam. The Woman's Seed is Jesus and he had to be born of a Virgin so he wouldn't be born under Adam. Here's more about mitochondrial DNA.

Researchers Discover How Mitochondrial DNA is Transferred From Mother to Child

Researchers in Spain have made a discovery that has important implications for treatment strategies to prevent mitochondrial diseases from being passed from mother to child.

Specifically, they found that the mechanisms involved in the transfer of mitochondrial genetic material from a mother to her offspring is controlled at two distinct times: during egg development before conception, and at the early stages of embryo growth.

Importantly, mitochondrial DNA is inherited from the mother, while the other type of DNA, nuclear DNA, is inherited from both parents.

Researchers Discover How Mitochondrial DNA is Transferred From...

This is very important and it explains why Jesus was born by a Virgin.

Mitochondrial DNA that's passed down to both men and women comes from the female and it originates in the production of eggs. So in most cases this comes from the woman. Mitochondrial DNA is the Woman's Seed.

Mitochondrial DNA even look like seeds.

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Adam's sin is satan's seed. Christ is a new creation. He reconciled humans to God by becoming human through Mary while still being fully God.

The Bible says we all have sinned but we become a new creation through Christ.

Christ didn't get any Mitochondrial DNA from Adam or the male line and usually the man contributes to nuclear DNA but it didn't happen with Jesus.

I think you're trying to push the serpents seed idea and Cain was satans seed. There's a problem with this called Genesis 4:1.

And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.

Also, Jesus is a seed of David according to the flesh through Mary. In the Geneology of Luke it shows how Heli(Mary's Father and Joseph's stepfather) was related to Jesse.

Luke 3

23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

31 Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David,

32 Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Booz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson

This shows why Jesus had to be born to a Virgin. If he was Adam's seed then he could have just been born to Mary and Joseph. If Christ was Adam's seed why did Christ need to be born? Why couldn't we reconcile ourselves with God in our present condition?

It's because Adam's line was corrupted by sin.

Romans 5:12

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Jesus was without sin because he wasn't born into the sin of this one man Adam. He was born of the Woman's Seed through Mary.

How can the sin of Adam pass to Jesus if he was born to a Virgin and conceived through the Woman's Seed?

This is why you have Y Chromosone Adam and Mitochondrial Eve. If Eve didn't have a distinct seed from Adam then we would just trace everybody to Y Chromosone Adam and there wouldn't be a Mitochondrial Eve where we can trace back maternal lineage.

WebersHome · Sep 7, 2020

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There's a popular theory going around that Joseph was left out of Jesus' conception in order to protect him from the curse upon king Jeconiah's royal posterity (Jer 22:29-30, Matt 1:11).

However; according to the language and grammar of the curse; its duration was limited to an era when the land of Israel was divided into two kingdoms-- Judah in the south and Samaria in the north --which came to an end when Nebuchadnezzar crushed the whole country and led first Samaria, and then later Judah, off to Babylonian slavery. When Christ takes the reins, the land of Israel will be unified, i.e. it will no longer be Judah in the south and Samaria in the north.

And besides, Jeconiah's royal line and the curse were inseparable. Had the curse been established in perpetuity, then when Jesus was placed in Jeconiah's royal line via his adoption to Joseph, he would've inherited the curse right along with the line; virgin conceived or not would've made no difference.

Some folks try to get around the inheritance issue by claiming that Jesus was Joseph's foster child. But the angel instructed Joseph to give Mary's baby a name, which in that day was a legal way of claiming a child as one of your own. (Matt 1:21, cf. Luke 1:59-63 and Luke 2:21). And besides, Jesus made it into Joseph's genealogy. Were he a foster child, that wouldn't happen because foster children aren't kin.
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wisdompersonified · Sep 7, 2020

WebersHome said:
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There's a popular theory going around that Joseph was left out of Jesus' conception in order to protect him from the curse upon king Jeconiah's royal posterity (Jer 22:29-30, Matt 1:11).

However; according to the language and grammar of the curse; its duration was limited to an era when the land of Israel was divided into two kingdoms-- Judah in the south and Samaria in the north --which came to an end when Nebuchadnezzar crushed the whole country and led first Samaria, and then later Judah, off to Babylonian slavery. When Christ takes the reins, the land of Israel will be unified, i.e. it will no longer be Judah in the south and Samaria in the north.

And besides, Jeconiah's royal line and the curse were inseparable. Had the curse been established in perpetuity, then when Jesus was placed in Jeconiah's royal line via his adoption to Joseph, he would've inherited the curse right along with the line; virgin conceived or not would've made no difference.

Some folks try to get around the inheritance issue by claiming that Jesus was Joseph's foster child. But the angel instructed Joseph to give Mary's baby a name, which in that day was a legal way of claiming a child as one of your own. (Matt 1:21, cf. Luke 1:59-63 and Luke 2:21)
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First I have to ask, why are you so obsessed with putting Jesus under a curse at birth? First it was satan's seed and when that didn't work you jumped to Jeconiah.

Again, Jesus was born to a Virgin because sin entered the world through Adam. Christ was born fully human through the woman's seed. I will no go over Mitochondrial DNA and how it's paased down through the maternal line again. There's a lot of information on that in my other posts.

Romans 5:12

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Romans 5:17

For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Jesus wasn't born under Adam's sin. This is why Paul calls Christ a new creature. If the Holy Spirit could transform us and reconcile us to God while being under Adam's sin, why was Jesus born?

Jesus was born so humans can be reconciled to God and we can become new creatures or born again in Christ because Christ was a NEW CREATION.

2 Corinthians 5:17

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Christ was fully God and fully human. Because of His Sacrifice, we can be transformed and become fully sons of God and fully human at the Resurrection.

God reconciled us through the Woman's Seed in Genesis 3:15 before Jeconiah. So your attempts to curse the birth of Jesus for some reason don't work and I have to say is pretty blasphemous.

Genesis 3

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

WebersHome · Sep 7, 2020

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Exactly how Ephraim and Manasseh felt about this event in Jacob's life isn't stated; nor would they have had a say in it anyway as Jacob was the reigning paterfamilias at the time.

● Gen 48:5-6 . . Now, your two sons, who were born to you in the land of Egypt before I came to you in Egypt, shall be mine; Ephraim and Manasseh shall be mine no less than Reuben and Simeon. Progeny born to you after them shall be yours; but they shall be recorded under the names of their brothers in their inheritance.

Jacob set a rather odd precedent by adopting his own two grandsons Manasseh and Ephraim; thus installing them in tribal positions equal in rank to his original sons; and increasing his total number of legit sons from twelve to fourteen.

Jacob's motive for adopting Manasseh and Ephraim was in sympathy for his beloved Rachel being cut off during her child bearing years, which subsequently prevented her from having any more children of her own.

● Gen 48:7 . . As I was returning from Paddan, to my sorrow Rachel died in the land of Canaan while we were still on the way, a little distance from Ephrath. So I buried her there beside the road to Ephrath (that is, Bethlehem).

Manasseh and Ephraim brought Rachel's grand total up to six, two boys of her own, two by her maid Bilhah, and two by Joseph's wife Asenath.

That obscure bit of patriarchal preeminence has somehow lost acceptance by modern Jewry as evidenced by its stubborn rejection of Jesus as a valid candidate for David's throne on the basis that the boy was adopted into Solomon's line rather than installed biologically.

However, according to 2Sam 7:16, 2Sam 23:5, Ps 89:4, and Ps 89:35-38, David trumps Solomon just as Jacob trumped Joseph. In other words: though it was essential that Jesus be David's biological progeny, it was not essential that he be Solomon's just so long as he and Jesus are legal kin.

Though Jesus' primary mission was to go to the cross for his people's sins, his ultimate purpose is to be their king. In that respect, the details of his relationship to David and Solomon are extremely important to the Jews, though to most Gentiles only marginal.
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WebersHome · Sep 8, 2020

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● Heb 7:14 . .It is clear that our Lord arose from Judah, and in regard to that tribe, etc.

Throughout the Bible, it is normally the biological fathers' side of the family that determines a child's tribal identity, but in Jesus' case there was no biological father. So tribal determination defaulted to his biological mother's side.

Jesus' mom is sometimes alleged to be a member of Levi's tribe due to her association with Elizabeth (Luke 1:5 and Luke 1:36). However, Levi and Judah were brothers, i.e. both men were Leah's sons (Gen 29:34-35). So then Mary and Elizabeth were cousins due to their association with the same grandma rather than with the same tribe.

» I've noted in my years of contact with folk in church, online, and in person that there are two major factions in the world doing their utmost to destroy Jesus Christ's credibility. The Jews focus their attack upon his association with David and Solomon, while the Christians focus their attack upon his association with Adam.

I can understand the Jews, but the Christians are a curiosity. They're supposed to be Christ's friends and allies. Well; their opposition to Jesus certainly echoes one of the Psalms, which goes like this:

"Even my close friend, whom I trusted, he who shared my bread, has lifted up his heel against me." (Ps 41:9)
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wisdompersonified · Sep 8, 2020

WebersHome said:
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Exactly how Ephraim and Manasseh felt about this event in Jacob's life isn't stated; nor would they have had a say in it anyway as Jacob was the reigning paterfamilias at the time.

● Gen 48:5-6 . . Now, your two sons, who were born to you in the land of Egypt before I came to you in Egypt, shall be mine; Ephraim and Manasseh shall be mine no less than Reuben and Simeon. Progeny born to you after them shall be yours; but they shall be recorded under the names of their brothers in their inheritance.

Jacob set a rather odd precedent by adopting his own two grandsons Manasseh and Ephraim; thus installing them in tribal positions equal in rank to his original sons; and increasing his total number of legit sons from twelve to fourteen.

Jacob's motive for adopting Manasseh and Ephraim was in sympathy for his beloved Rachel being cut off during her child bearing years, which subsequently prevented her from having any more children of her own.

● Gen 48:7 . . As I was returning from Paddan, to my sorrow Rachel died in the land of Canaan while we were still on the way, a little distance from Ephrath. So I buried her there beside the road to Ephrath (that is, Bethlehem).

Manasseh and Ephraim brought Rachel's grand total up to six, two boys of her own, two by her maid Bilhah, and two by Joseph's wife Asenath.

That obscure bit of patriarchal preeminence has somehow lost acceptance by modern Jewry as evidenced by its stubborn rejection of Jesus as a valid candidate for David's throne on the basis that the boy was adopted into Solomon's line rather than installed biologically.

However, according to 2Sam 7:16, 2Sam 23:5, Ps 89:4, and Ps 89:35-38, David trumps Solomon just as Jacob trumped Joseph. In other words: though it was essential that Jesus be David's biological progeny, it was not essential that he be Solomon's just so long as he and Jesus are legal kin.

Though Jesus' primary mission was to go to the cross for his people's sins, his ultimate purpose is to be their king. In that respect, the details of his relationship to David and Solomon are extremely important to the Jews, though to most Gentiles only marginal.
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You are all over the place with your conspiracy theories.

First you talk about satans seed, when that didn't work you jumped to Jeconiah now you're saying it's a Jewish conspiracy.

At first I thought you were having a serious debate but now I see your stuck on silly conspiracy theories that have nothing to do with Christ. Your trying to say he was born fully biologically but some Jews made up the story of his virgin birth because he was Joseph's step son.

People like you accept certain scripture that you have in your head that supports your conspiracy theory but then when there's scripture that refutes your wild conspiracy theory you say certain Jews made up those parts.

Get thee behind me satan.

Anyone that tries to reduce Christ to a fully biological man born under Adam is a liar and isn't of God.

I know your purpose now. When you mentioned the satans seed nonsense I knew your conspiracy theory about Jews would be next.

First you tried to say Cain was Eve's son.

Genesis 4:1 stopped that nonsense.

You then jumped to Jeconiah and Genesis 3:15 stopped that.

Now you talk about a conspiracy of the Jews. You said:

That obscure bit of patriarchal preeminence has somehow lost acceptance by modern Jewry as evidenced by its stubborn rejection of Jesus as a valid candidate for David's throne on the basis that the boy was adopted into Solomon's line rather than installed biologically.

We know who satans seed is now. It's you.

Your purpose on this thread wasn't to debate the issue because you have nothing but a conspiracy theory. Your purpose was to do satans bidding and try to say Jesus is just a biological man who was adopted so some Jews made up the Virgin birth.

Please take your satans seed conspiracy theory nonsense elswhere and stop polluting this thread with nonsense that has nothing to do with the thread. If you want to debate satans seed and push conspiracy theories against Jews I'm sure there's likeminded seeds of satan elswhere discussing this.

WebersHome · Sep 9, 2020

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FAQ: If Jesus hadn't been crucified; would he have eventually died of some other cause?

A: Yes, because Adam's entire posterity lost access to the tree of life.

● Gen 3:22-24 . .Then the Lord God said: Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever-- therefore the Lord God sent him out from the garden of Eden, to cultivate the ground from which he was taken. So He drove the man out; and at the east of the garden of Eden He stationed the cherubim, and the flaming sword which turned every direction, to guard the way to the tree of life.

● Rom 5:12 . .Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned--

● Rom 5:17 . . By the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man.

FAQ: Rom 5:12 says that all sinned, and Rom 5:19 says that because of the one, many were made sinners; which apparently includes Jesus because he descends from Adam. How can Jesus Christ-- the holy Son of God --be held to account for something one of his human ancestors did many, many years before he was even born?

A: In order to become fully human rather than only partially human, the Word (John 1:1 and John 1:14) had to accept not only the blessings of humanness, but also the liabilities.

He was sent by God not in the likeness of sinless flesh, rather, sinful flesh. (Rom 8:3)

He had to be made like His brethren in all things. (Heb 2:17)

FAQ: If so, then how can 1Pet 1:19 honestly say that Jesus was a lamb without blemish or spot?

A: Our responsibility relative to Adam's disobedience is limited. Although it puts everyone in danger of death, it puts no one in danger of Hell. In other words: we don't get a stain on our fur because of Adam, viz: we get stains for our own sins.

When people are brought to face justice at the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15, they'll be judged on the basis of their own works rather than Adam's.

Well; according to John 8:29, 2Cor 5:21, Heb 4:15, and 1Pet 2:22; Jesus Christ never committed any sins of his own to answer for.
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wisdompersonified · Sep 9, 2020

WebersHome said:
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FAQ: If Jesus hadn't been crucified; would he have eventually died of some other cause?

A: Yes, because Adam's entire posterity lost access to the tree of life.

● Gen 3:22-24 . .Then the Lord God said: Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever-- therefore the Lord God sent him out from the garden of Eden, to cultivate the ground from which he was taken. So He drove the man out; and at the east of the garden of Eden He stationed the cherubim, and the flaming sword which turned every direction, to guard the way to the tree of life.

● Rom 5:12 . .Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned--

● Rom 5:17 . . By the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man.

FAQ: Rom 5:12 says that all sinned, and Rom 5:19 says that because of the one, many were made sinners; which apparently includes Jesus because he descends from Adam. How can Jesus Christ-- the holy Son of God --be held to account for something one of his human ancestors did many, many years before he was even born?

A: In order to become fully human rather than only partially human, the Word (John 1:1 and John 1:14) had to accept not only the blessings of humanness, but also the liabilities.

He was sent by God not in the likeness of sinless flesh, rather, sinful flesh. (Rom 8:3)

He had to be made like His brethren in all things. (Heb 2:17)

FAQ: If so, then how can 1Pet 1:19 honestly say that Jesus was a lamb without blemish or spot?

A: Our responsibility relative to Adam's disobedience is limited. Although it puts everyone in danger of death, it puts no one in danger of Hell. In other words: we don't get a stain on our fur because of Adam, viz: we get stains for our own sins.

When people are brought to face justice at the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15, they'll be judged on the basis of their own works rather than Adam's.

Well; according to John 8:29, 2Cor 5:21, Heb 4:15, and 1Pet 2:22; Jesus Christ never committed any sins of his own to answer for.
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First, you have to understand why Jesus had to die on the Cross to Save us and you will understand why Christ was fully Human and fully God.

You have some bizarre belief in this Jewish conspiracy theory that Jews made up the Virgin Birth because he was adopted by Joseph. I have seen this obscure and blasphemous belief before usually pushed by white supremacist who try to claim Jews are satans seed. That's why I knew you would eventually reveal some wild Jewish conspiracy theory about Jews.

You first said:

If Jesus hadn't been crucified; would he have eventually died of some other cause?

This is meaningless speculation with no basis in fact. Jesus was Crucified and Resurrected. Again, you are using your meaningless speculation as part of the basis for your conspiracy theory against Jews.

You should have read Romans 8:3

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Jesus had to be a new creation and not fully biological in order for us to be transformed into new creature's and reconciled to God.

2 Corinthians 5

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Here's more:

Romans 5

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

You said:

Our responsibility relative to Adam's disobedience is limited. Although it puts everyone in danger of death, it puts no one in danger of Hell. In other words: we don't get a stain on our fur because of Adam, viz: we get stains for our own sins.

Hell is separation from God so Adam's sin put us in danger of death and God's wrath. Let me repeat the verse. Was this verse made up by Jews?

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Adam's sin separated us from God. Jesus was born of a Virgin so he could be fully Human and Fully God. This allowed Christ to fulfill the law and reconcile humans to God. We can now be transformed at the Resurrection.

It's like Jesus got a perfect score for us and we can all be partakers of that perfect score when we give our life to Christ. Because of Adam, humans could never get a perfect score and would always be separated from God. This is why the Bible says are good works are like filthy rags.

Isaiah 64

6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Jesus couldn't have been born under Adam's sin because as humans we were separated from God. How could Jesus reconcile us to God and transform us into new creature's if he was born in sin and separated from God?

You don't want to accept the scriptures you quote:

1 Peter 1

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

We our all born with Adam's blemish and spot because of his sin. You're trying to make the claim Jesus was born with blemish or spot.

Like I said, it's satan that tries to twist scripture so stop being satans seed.

Here's more scripture that you will have to say is made up by Jews to support your conspiracy theory:

1 Peter 2

22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:

2 Corinthians 5

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Hebrews 4

15 For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.

1 John 3

5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin.

Your satans seed conspiracy theory is crushed by scripture.

Jesus was born without sin so he couldn't be born under Adam. He had to be the Woman's Seed. When he died on the Cross he became sin and took on the sins of the world.

How did he become sin? It's because he was sinless and wasn't sentenced to death as we were under Adam's sin. So Jesus died for us and reconciled us to God.

If he was born under Adam's sin, how can he be without sin?

Your whole conspiracy theory isn't based on scripture but something you conjured up in your mind. It's based on the silly notion that Jews made up the Virgin birth because Jesus was Joseph's stepson. This is just blasphemy and has nothing to do with scripture or Christ.

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