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OK we are getting some where...

At least we are able to begin speaking about the place of hope in this life.

There are so many issues that arise out of this.

I think a lot of bad theology comes out of not appreciating the Character and Love of God.

First off we all need to have brokenness of heart so that whatever life throws at us we weather the storm with our faith intact. That does not mean we expect bad things to happen.

Yes we see the Apostles all but one heading in this life to a hideous death - but this was God's appointing and grace was given for the occasion - this was their calling and most likely not ours.

We forget for example Joseph of Arimathea who was a successful tin merchant and bought the gospel to the UK.

God wants win the lost by how we live - returning to our first love and displaying the Love of the Kingdom to the lost. Jn 17:21.

Jesus comforts John by reporting back that the Kingdom has in fact arrived and that his work was not in vain.

The kingdom is where Jesus reigns this is where Love is and that is what the world is looking for.

Maybe lack of expectation is coupled to the muting of the prophetic.

Here am I at 74 working with the local university to develop products.

I am completely unqualified - never passed the school exams, yet dialogue on Zoom with academics from all over NZ.

A lady who I had never met before at a prayer meeting about 25 years ago stopped me as I was coming in the door - she had her bible open at Prov 8:12 - she said "you are an inventor and the body of Christ need you. I have waited 25 years for this door to open and it is now.
I never lost hope - this came from the prophetic.

Regarding the promises, I have a friend, now a Pastor who visited farms in our South Island that were struggling with cattle aborting - Being a messianic Jew he stood with the farmers reminding God that such matters were a result of the curse of the law which was broken for us in Christ - and saw dramatic results.

This illustrates that being passive and even fatalistic can rob us of good outcomes in this life. We are raised up with Him in heavenly places in this life - but we act like poor servants.

Sorry this is a long post and may seem to be a ramble.

Just to be clear I am not advocating 'Name it Claim it" but Jesus wants us blessed according to His will and purpose and we can miss it through bad theology and unbelief.
I'm not looking to be pessimistic here at all. But there must be a balance-because otherwise we might believe that, when blessings are lacking-and perhaps hardships and/or persecutions are evident instead- God has abandoned us. It's a messy and sometimes ugly world. We know that God can do anything. We don't necessarily know His plans for us however and sometimes suffering has its benefits as well-or else He'd never allow them to begin with.
 
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Carl Emerson

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I'm not looking to be pessimistic here at all. But there must be a balance-because otherwise we might believe that, when blessings are lacking-and perhaps hardships and/or persecutions are evident instead- God has abandoned us. It's a messy and sometimes ugly world. We know that God can do anything. We don't necessarily know His plans for us however and sometimes suffering has its benefits as well-or else He'd never allow them to begin with.

Yes of course - but sometimes suffering is appointed for good and sometimes not. Suffering can be a result of unbelief. Unbelief can be from rejecting God's promises.

For this reason I am encouraging dialogue on what are the New Covenant promises and how do they relate to the OT promises.
 
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Some claim that because the disciples were all but one murdered - that the new covenant makes no promise beyond sharing in the sufferings of Christ.

Then there are those who see promises in the scriptures like...

IS 54:11“O afflicted one, storm-tossed, and not comforted,
Behold, I will set your stones in antimony,
And your foundations I will lay in sapphires.
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And I have a hard time believing that God doesn't care about everyone who feels afflicted and not comforted. So most certainly the basic principles of how God would respond would be for all ages.
 
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