GOD'S COVID REVENGE?

RushMAN · Aug 28, 2020

NoNameNothing said:
Yes, but there Are O.T Prophecies that do pertain to the Last Days... And God decides whichever Way He will Judge... Christians cannot just presume that from their Wealth of knowledge and Theologies that Judgment intended for those Rejecting God and His Word, Ways and Truth, will not also affect People in Churches who have allowed
False Teachings into their locations... (I myself am examining and re-examining what I have believed from Churches I used to frequent) Do you really think God is pleased with some Churches out there? I think not! I have avoided Church(the location) because of personal-sin and also because of certain issues that have been "Red-Flagged" in the last 10-12 Years.

We will disagree. I do not think for one minute in the age of Grace that God reverts to the Old Testament way of doing things nor would I say I know more than Churches.

ViaCrucis · Aug 28, 2020

ForHimbyHim said:
Oh well that leaves us simple people out then.

No, but it does mean that as Christians we are indebted to two thousand years of scholarship, exegesis, and biblical study; and that lone-wolfing our way through the Bible is a good way to bring in our own prejudices, our own confirmation biases, our own cultural and ideological baggage.

The idea that the Bible was ever meant to be something the individual Christian reads and interprets for her or himself as though it were just "me, Jesus, and the Bible by ourselves" is entirely foreign to the Bible and to Christian practice, not to mention Jewish practice before. It has always been about being part of a living, breathing, worshiping community of faith; in which God's word is heard, read, confessed, and believed. Not about me, by myself, figuring everything out for myself.

One of the more pernicious lies about the Protestant Reformation that still often circulates is that the Protestant Reformers wanted each and every individual Christian to be their own interpreter of the Bible. That simply isn't how the Reformers saw it, and that idea would be utter madness to them. The idea that any individual could be the infallible interpreter, the final arbiter in biblical interpretation and teaching--whether it was the Vicar of St. Peter in Rome himself or the peasant milkmaids and servant boys--was unacceptable. It was always the Church as the Church that was vital here, the community of the faithful, stretching back through history, that was there to provide the necessary framework and basis by which Scripture is read, confessed, and understood.

-CryptoLutheran

Jesus is YHWH · Aug 28, 2020

ViaCrucis said:
No, but it does mean that as Christians we are indebted to two thousand years of scholarship, exegesis, and biblical study; and that lone-wolfing our way through the Bible is a good way to bring in our own prejudices, our own confirmation biases, our own cultural and ideological baggage.

The idea that the Bible was ever meant to be something the individual Christian reads and interprets for her or himself as though it were just "me, Jesus, and the Bible by ourselves" is entirely foreign to the Bible and to Christian practice, not to mention Jewish practice before. It has always been about being part of a living, breathing, worshiping community of faith; in which God's word is heard, read, confessed, and believed. Not about me, by myself, figuring everything out for myself.

One of the more pernicious lies about the Protestant Reformation that still often circulates is that the Protestant Reformers wanted each and every individual Christian to be their own interpreter of the Bible. That simply isn't how the Reformers saw it, and that idea would be utter madness to them. The idea that any individual could be the infallible interpreter, the final arbiter in biblical interpretation and teaching--whether it was the Vicar of St. Peter in Rome himself or the peasant milkmaids and servant boys--was unacceptable. It was always the Church as the Church that was vital here, the community of the faithful, stretching back through history, that was there to provide the necessary framework and basis by which Scripture is read, confessed, and understood.

-CryptoLutheran

Good post.

Ephesians 4:11-16
King James Version

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Saint Steven · Aug 29, 2020

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NoNameNothing said:
I agree with you, but that's Not the same as what's happening Right now.

Well, there are a whole spectrum of interpretations of this bad thing that is currently happening. And certainly the theme of this forum topic. And I see many key pointers to end times events. We aren't there yet, but this is a giant step forward. We have never seen global control on this level before. And the universal compliance with it is quite alarming. IMHO

NoNameNothing said:
I don't know if you ever noticed, but there are Ministers around the World using the Name of God and their Ministries have the Truth of God completely diluted...

Can you be more specific about the problem you see? No need to name names, just cite the specific problems you see. Thanks.

NoNameNothing said:
All of us are seeing things happening in Churches that would have been unthinkable 20-30 Years back. I don't think God's Pleased with that!

What sort of things?
Can you be more specific about the problem you see? No need to name names, just cite the specific problems you see. Thanks.

NoNameNothing said:
Do you think God wants that moral and Spiritual-declension to be the "new-normal" for all Churches? Even Churches that do somewhat stick to all of what God Says can also be lacking in other ways...

Can anyone really "stick to all of what God Says"? And what does that even mean? There is no consensus on that.

NoNameNothing said:
I can't see how the Covid 19 thing is not a Judgment of some sort but also possibly the Wrath of Satan, on the other side (to eradicate Christianity),

So, everyone in the spiritual realm is out to get us. If so, we're toast. - lol

NoNameNothing said:
with the rise of Marxism and Socialism (with both Communist followings and Fascist Governments arising again).

This is perhaps closer to what I am seeing. We are being moved toward a one world totalitarian government. Never before have we seen the whole world complying to a single set of dictates. It's a social experiment. And a VERY successful one. We are at the tipping point. If we don't stop this now, things will be exponentially worse in a matter of months or years. What happens in this year's flu season will set the stage.

NoNameNothing said:
People who reject God in Society in general could very well find that there Men & Women more than happy to assume that role of God, when they are not God

Well, that's to be expected. Why would they behave any differently? And what good would it do if those who reject God didn't assume the role of God in their own lives. Would they suddenly become righteous in God's eyes even though they reject him? Isn't the relationship with God more important than specific behaviors?

NoNameNothing said:
(and a lot of them also do not acknowledge Jesus-Christ and His Commandments).

What are the "Commandments" of Jesus Christ in your opinion? And who were they given to? Again, would the compliance with "Commandments" put them in right stead with God when they reject God in their hearts? In many cases, those who reject God are quite moral individuals, yet they are agnostic in belief. Does their moral/ethical behavior win them favor?

Saint Steven · Aug 29, 2020

ViaCrucis said:
No, but it does mean that as Christians we are indebted to two thousand years of scholarship, exegesis, and biblical study; and that lone-wolfing our way through the Bible is a good way to bring in our own prejudices, our own confirmation biases, our own cultural and ideological baggage.

The idea that the Bible was ever meant to be something the individual Christian reads and interprets for her or himself as though it were just "me, Jesus, and the Bible by ourselves" is entirely foreign to the Bible and to Christian practice, not to mention Jewish practice before. It has always been about being part of a living, breathing, worshiping community of faith; in which God's word is heard, read, confessed, and believed. Not about me, by myself, figuring everything out for myself.

One of the more pernicious lies about the Protestant Reformation that still often circulates is that the Protestant Reformers wanted each and every individual Christian to be their own interpreter of the Bible. That simply isn't how the Reformers saw it, and that idea would be utter madness to them. The idea that any individual could be the infallible interpreter, the final arbiter in biblical interpretation and teaching--whether it was the Vicar of St. Peter in Rome himself or the peasant milkmaids and servant boys--was unacceptable. It was always the Church as the Church that was vital here, the community of the faithful, stretching back through history, that was there to provide the necessary framework and basis by which Scripture is read, confessed, and understood.

-CryptoLutheran

If Martin Luther hadn't objected, where would the Church (capital C) be now? Still taking indulgences? Based on their "correct" interpretation of the scriptures? To whom is the Church (capital C) held accountable?

FutureAndAHope · Aug 29, 2020

James Honigman said:
Have you noticed the Corona Virus (Covid 19) is killing old people, like me, in what almost seems to be a disproportionate number to the rest of the population? I'm not following it that closely, but it's like 80% of the deaths are people over 65 years old. Most of the deaths have come from what we used to call "old folks homes." Like I tell my grandchildren, "It's good to be young!"

Could this be God's revenge on the baby boomers? That thought has been in my mind since this virus thing began. So much so that I woke up this morning with a conviction to post it; but this is more of an opinion post than my normal religious post. Put differently, it cannot be proved through the Holy Bible that God has sent this virus upon us as punishment.

There are rampant scriptures proving that our Heavenly Father will use pestilence and/or disease to punish His children. Look what He did to poor King Asa, who was a pretty good king. Or the slaughter in Jerusalem over King David's mistake of numbering his people. There are lots of scriptures, plenty of examples showing our Father is not bashful about using pestilence as a weapon. But, no one can say with certainty, although some have tried, that God sent Covid 19 upon us.

The obvious question then is, "Is God really angry with the baby boomers?" My thinking is, probably. Why? If we look at a little current history we see that in the 1930's & 40's we were pretty much a God fearing, Bible reading, Church going nation. After World War 11 ended our GI's came home to their wives and girlfriends and made of for 5 years of missing hoochy cootchy. What? Never mind, suffice it to say there were babies everywhere.

Then came the 1960's and America changed radically as the baby boomers became of age. The bane of Western Civilization was then invented, the birth control pill, and we were off to the races, sexually. Girls no longer needed to worry about getting pregnant; their biggest concern was how short they could make their miniskirt without getting kicked out of school.

Everyone my age remembers "free love" but there was nothing free about it. Oh yeah, let's not forget about drugs and the Rolling Stones. "Sympathy for the devil?" I think not. So, sex, drugs, and rock & roll were everywhere and America and the world has not been the same since. A favorite bumper sticker at the time summed it up: Ass, gas, or grass; nobody rides for free.

So, being a true baby boomer (1947) I remember it all very well as we went from God fearing America to Psychodelic America in record time. That said, we know that we will reap what we sow and that our Heavenly Father is patient, very patient. All I can say is, Covid 19 has gotten a lot of baby boomers, so I thought I would post this to get some thoughts of others.

I got a lot of flack for saying it, earlier. But I believe COVID is God's judgment. But it is not just for the sin of the baby boomers, although it may well be. I had a vision before COVID, where I felt God was going to "invade" my nation of Australia with a curse for its sin of Homosexuality. I don't get these kinds of visions, often, in fact, it was probably only the second one I have had of a sinister nature. The first was I was told a famous person would die, and they did. Visions of judgment seem to be dark, they are not full of joy, like when Jesus speaks positively over us. I prayed many times about whether COVID was God's judgment, and I felt each time that it was. I would say I can be certain it is God's judgment, but of the vision, time will tell. It seems to suggest more than COVID, even the possibility of physical invasion. I am not saying "God said, Australia will be invaded", I am saying it may be possible.

Saint Steven · Aug 29, 2020

Jesus is YHWH said:
Good post.

Ephesians 4:11-16
King James Version

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Well, doesn't this say that there are apostles and prophets in the church today? It's a list of the components of the church. And that the equipping is for the "saints", defined as the common believer. (not an award/title given after their death)

Saint Steven · Aug 29, 2020

There seems to be a lot of weight given to these false equations:
Something bad happened to me, therefore I am bad.
Something good happened to me, therefore I am good.

John 9:1-3
As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2 His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” 3 “Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him.

Saint Steven · Aug 29, 2020

FutureAndAHope said:
I got a lot of flack for saying it, earlier. But I believe COVID is God's judgment. But it is not just for the sin of the baby boomers, although it may well be. I had a vision before COVID, where I felt God was going to "invade" my nation of Australia with a curse for its sin of Homosexuality. I don't get these kinds of visions, often, in fact, it was probably only the second one I have had of a sinister nature. The first was I was told a famous person would die, and they did. Visions of judgment seem to be dark, they are not full of joy, like when Jesus speaks positively over us. I prayed many times about whether COVID was God's judgment, and I felt each time that it was. I would say I can be certain it is God's judgment, but of the vision, time will tell. It seems to suggest more than COVID, even the possibility of physical invasion. I am not saying "God said, Australia will be invaded", I am saying it may be possible.

Here's some more flack.
Are we disbelieving God if we don't agree with your opinion?
Famous people die every day. That doesn't prove anything.
If God didn't tell you that Australia would be invaded,
then who was that talking in your head?
What does it even mean the God will invade Australia with a curse?
Isn't homosexuality it's own curse and judgment?

Perhaps a bit more tact is in order for the way these things are presented.
You say you had a vision, but are quick to not claim it was true. Say, what?
You asked God whether Covid was a judgment, and you felt that it was.
But then you say, time will tell. What does all this say about the validity of feelings and visions, and the voice of God telling us things? (can't be trusted)

FutureAndAHope · Aug 29, 2020

Saint Steven said:
Here's some more flack.
Are we disbelieving God if we don't agree with your opinion?
Famous people die every day. That doesn't prove anything.
If God didn't tell you that Australia would be invaded,
then who was that talking in your head?
What does it even mean the God will invade Australia with a curse?
Isn't homosexuality it's own curse and judgment?

Perhaps a bit more tact is in order for the way these things are presented.
You say you had a vision, but are quick to not claim it was true. Say, what?
You asked God whether Covid was a judgment, and you felt that it was.
But then you say, time will tell. What does all this say about the validity of feelings and visions, and the voice of God telling us things? (can't be trusted)

Should I be quick to make a statement? Should I know? Should God speak to me face to face? You be the judge.

Num 12:6-8 And he said, Hear now my words: if there be a prophet among you, I Jehovah will make myself known unto him in a vision, I will speak with him in a dream. My servant Moses is not so; he is faithful in all my house: with him will I speak mouth to mouth, even manifestly, and not in dark speeches; and the form of Jehovah shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant, against Moses?

Deu 34:10 And there hath not arisen a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom Jehovah knew face to face,

The bible tells us that God often speaks to His prophets in dreams and visions, not cleary, even calling it dark sayings.

Num 12:8 with him will I speak mouth to mouth, even manifestly, and not in dark speeches; and the form of Jehovah shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant, against Moses?

God does not speak to me face to face. But he does speak to me from time to time. Can I be certain of that vision? No. I can not be certain of the vision that told me that a famous Australian would die, and he did a few months later. No.

But I have sought God a lot on this issue, due primarily to the weight of criticism that I received. Every time I sought God, it seemed that He was telling me it (COVID) was His judgment.

Also you said:

"What does it even mean the God will invade Australia with a curse?"

It is fairly simple to understand, but that is not what the voice actually said. I was sitting on my bed, and from the Northside of my room, I heard a voice speak in the Spirit, not an audible voice. It said in anger, "Invade them", the voice was also angry with me, and suggested that it would impact me. I felt "them", referred to those who practiced and supported homosexuality in Australia. That was the vision. At the time I felt it was a physical invasion, but when COVID arrived I paraphrased it to be a curse. For I knew not what type of invasion it was.

Saint Steven · Aug 29, 2020

FutureAndAHope said:
Should I be quick to make a statement? Should I know? Should God speak to me face to face? You be the judge.

Num 12:6-8 And he said, Hear now my words: if there be a prophet among you, I Jehovah will make myself known unto him in a vision, I will speak with him in a dream. My servant Moses is not so; he is faithful in all my house: with him will I speak mouth to mouth, even manifestly, and not in dark speeches; and the form of Jehovah shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant, against Moses?

Deu 34:10 And there hath not arisen a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom Jehovah knew face to face,

The bible tells us that God often speaks to His prophets in dreams and visions, not cleary, even calling it dark sayings.

Num 12:8 with him will I speak mouth to mouth, even manifestly, and not in dark speeches; and the form of Jehovah shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant, against Moses?

God does not speak to me face to face. But he does speak to me from time to time. Can I be certain of that vision? No. I can not be certain of the vision that told me that a famous Australian would die, and he did a few months later. No.

But I have sought God a lot on this issue, due primarily to the weight of criticism that I received. Every time I sought God, it seemed that He was telling me it (COVID) was His judgment.

Also you said:

"What does it even mean the God will invade Australia with a curse?"

It is fairly simple to understand, but that is not what the voice actually said. I was sitting on my bed, and from the Northside of my room, I heard a voice speak in the Spirit, not an audible voice. It said in anger, "Invade them", the voice was also angry with me, and suggested that it would impact me. I felt "them", referred to those who practiced and supported homosexuality in Australia. That was the vision. At the time I felt it was a physical invasion, but when COVID arrived I paraphrased it to be a curse. For I knew not what type of invasion it was.

A prophetic message, or vision, is a puzzle piece. It is meant for the recipient (those you tell) to put the puzzle together, not for the prophet. Best not to add, subtract, or multiply (attempt to assemble) the message given. Present it as given without an interpretation, unless you are 100 percent certain. Also good form to ask God who he wants you to share it with. Just because you had a message or vision doesn't mean you are to share it with everyone. My advice. Take it or leave it. Or ask questions. Thanks.

Just to be clear, I am glad God is speaking to you and giving you visions. Just suggesting taking great care with these precious gifts. I have been in situations where I KNOW I was sent by God. But I did not say that to the person he sent me to pray with.

I have also seen the gift abused. I call it "playing the God card". I got a call from church from a leader that asked God who to call to do a specific job. They said that I came to mind when they asked. Well... what am I supposed to do with that? Do I disobey God by not doing what they asked me to so? Very bad form from my perspective. If God wanted me to do that, he would have made it clear to me as well. Best to present the opportunity and NEVER mention the motivation for calling.

Saint Steven · Aug 29, 2020

FutureAndAHope said:
But I have sought God a lot on this issue, due primarily to the weight of criticism that I received. Every time I sought God, it seemed that He was telling me it (COVID) was His judgment.

But it is a global pandemic. Is the whole world being punished for the "sin" of Australia?
Perhaps the criticisms are warranted.

Saint Steven · Aug 29, 2020

FutureAndAHope said:
Also you said:

"What does it even mean the God will invade Australia with a curse?"

It is fairly simple to understand, but that is not what the voice actually said. I was sitting on my bed, and from the Northside of my room, I heard a voice speak in the Spirit, not an audible voice. It said in anger, "Invade them", the voice was also angry with me, and suggested that it would impact me. I felt "them", referred to those who practiced and supported homosexuality in Australia. That was the vision. At the time I felt it was a physical invasion, but when COVID arrived I paraphrased it to be a curse. For I knew not what type of invasion it was.

Fairly simple to understand?
It sounds as if you don't even understand it. Why would that be fairly simple for us to understand?

James Honigman · Aug 29, 2020

FutureAndAHope said:
I got a lot of flack for saying it, earlier. But I believe COVID is God's judgment. But it is not just for the sin of the baby boomers, although it may well be. I had a vision before COVID, where I felt God was going to "invade" my nation of Australia with a curse for its sin of Homosexuality. I don't get these kinds of visions, often, in fact, it was probably only the second one I have had of a sinister nature. The first was I was told a famous person would die, and they did. Visions of judgment seem to be dark, they are not full of joy, like when Jesus speaks positively over us. I prayed many times about whether COVID was God's judgment, and I felt each time that it was. I would say I can be certain it is God's judgment, but of the vision, time will tell. It seems to suggest more than COVID, even the possibility of physical invasion. I am not saying "God said, Australia will be invaded", I am saying it may be possible.

Hi Future, thanks so much for your input. Let's just remember, our Heavenly Father is aware of and in control of everything that happens on this earth, for it is His footstool. As stated in my post, our Father will use pestilence/disease should He care to, but it is not possible to tell, through the Bible, whether Covid 19 is His revenge. We also know that God hates homosexuality; He calls it an abomination, but who would be dumb enough to invade Australia? I know the Chinese are trying to bully your leaders, but again, who knows these things, besides our Father? Good to hear from you.

Saint Steven · Aug 29, 2020

If Covid is God's revenge, then our loving heavenly Father has turned against us.
I don't think God has disowned us at all. I think this is a precursor to the end of days.
Things are falling into place like never before. The one world government of the end times is rearing its ugly head. If we don't stop it now the end will be upon us. But we are stronger than the beast. We can put him down now. The generation that fails to quell the beast will be the last generation. Are we the ones?

John 10:10
The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

FutureAndAHope · Aug 29, 2020

Saint Steven said:
But it is a global pandemic. Is the whole world being punished for the "sin" of Australia?
Perhaps the criticisms are warranted.

I am not saying that this input from the realm of the Spirit, was even God. And when it was given, yes it mentioned my nation, but the suggestion was not that the whole pandemic was a result of the sins of my nation, no, but that God had chosen to punish my nation as well.

However, let's just say I sought God a lot on the issue of whether the pandemic was a judgment, a wake-up call if you will, to our nations, and I believe it is. In fact, I believe that the following is a prophetic scripture for this time:

Lam 3:38-44 Do not evil and good come from the mouth of the Most High? What protest may a living man make, even a man about the punishment of his sin? Let us make search and put our ways to the test, turning again to the Lord; Lifting up our hearts with our hands to God in the heavens. We have done wrong and gone against your law; we have not had your forgiveness. Covering yourself with wrath you have gone after us, cutting us off without pity; Covering yourself with a cloud, so that prayer may not get through.

As for the whole Australia will be invaded thing, maybe if the nation refuses to repent, it may be. But like I said I don't know if the vision was God or not.

Saint Steven · Aug 30, 2020

FutureAndAHope said:
I am not saying that this input from the realm of the Spirit, was even God. ...

However, let's just say I sought God a lot on the issue of whether the pandemic was a judgment, a wake-up call if you will, to our nations, and I believe it is.

... But like I said I don't know if the vision was God or not.

Only served to confirm your own presumption then. And probably not from God.
Any more back-pedaling you would like to offer?

FutureAndAHope · Aug 30, 2020

Saint Steven said:
Only served to confirm your own presumption then. And probably not from God.
Any more back-pedaling you would like to offer?

No. But there is one thing I would like to suggest. I am fairly confident that the virus is God's judgment as I said, regardless of the source of that vision. I would encourage you to rather than just express your own opinion seek God, ask him to show you the truth. That way you will be inline with not only your own convictions but God's will.

Saint Steven · Aug 30, 2020

FutureAndAHope said:
No. But there is one thing I would like to suggest. I am fairly confident that the virus is God's judgment as I said, regardless of the source of that vision. I would encourage you to rather than just express your own opinion seek God, ask him to show you the truth. That way you will be inline with not only your own convictions but God's will.

I have been in the same position as everyone else on this. Trying to understand what it is about. That path has led me to some answers. Call it my own opinion of you like.

I wrote this in post #235.

If Covid is God's revenge, then our loving heavenly Father has turned against us.
I don't think God has disowned us at all. I think this is a precursor to the end of days.
Things are falling into place like never before. The one world government of the end times is rearing its ugly head. If we don't stop it now the end will be upon us. But we are stronger than the beast. We can put him down now. The generation that fails to quell the beast will be the last generation. Are we the ones?

John 10:10
The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

RushMAN · Aug 30, 2020

Saint Steven said:
If Covid is God's revenge, then our loving heavenly Father has turned against us.

I agree with this. I think the virus is something that happened because of China either not taking proper precautions in their lab or trying to take over everything. We want to turn somewhere when things happen and back in Ancient times this or that god was angry with them, now in modern times people want to say it is judgement blaming God as it were. We as a species do not seem to want to just realize that things happen and many times it is what it is.

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