Really? You think God is going to destroy *this*?

Looks like you'll have to talk to God about this as you don't seem to see. Let God tell you from His own Word what His character truly is.

mkgal1 said:

Is that reassuring to you - to believe that's God's character?

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Think of this--
God created the world in six days--then a 7th day of rest--a Sabbath
God asked that after 6 years of tilling the soil, the 7th year would be a year of rest-a land Sabbath---no tilling
God said there was to be 7 X7 years---then the 50th year would be a jubilee---all debts forgiven everyone can get back their property
There will be 6000 years---then a land Sabbath---1000 years the planet lays empty--the saved are with Jesus in heaven---the dead wicked remain dead until the 2nd resurrection and they are raised to their judgement.

After the destruction of the wicked Jesus recreates the earth into something more beautiful than it was and the New Jerusalem comes down and we get our inheritance of eternal life with Him in this recreated earth.

Now---can you please tell me what you have against God for coming to earth and getting all His followers and we spend 1000 years in heaven with Him. God is a devouring, consuming fire. That is what the bible says. But He is that only to the lost. The saved are like Abednego and his friends---they can stand in that fire with Him and not even smell of fire. Claiming Jesus as our savior protects us from His fire. The lost have rejected Him--they have no protection--=-they end up burned up.

There are scripture for all this: Already quoted the ones that say when He comes, the earth is burned up.
Rev_20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Isa 33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
Isa 33:15 He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;
Isa 33:16 He shall dwell on high: his place of defence shall be the munitions of rocks: bread shall be given him; his waters shall be sure.
Isa 33:17 Thine eyes shall see the king in his beauty: they shall behold the land that is very far off.

Just exactly what do you have against God doing what He says He will do? He said He would not destroy the earth with water again. He doesn't, He cleanses the earth with the brightness of His coming.
2Th_2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

It is the wicked that when they are raised unto their judgment, try to attack the descending city of God to take it by force and are destroyed. Do you think He does not have the right to destroy the wicked who are trying to attack His city with His followers in it?

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

What exactly are you objecting to and why?

mkgal1 said:

I just came across this video of all the wonderful beauty there is in nature.....yet some believe our Creator is going to destroy what He's created. Why would He go through such an extent to create so much beauty.....and then destroy it? And the Bible even states that nature testifies of Him (Psalm 19; Romans 1:20; Psalm 33:5). And also there's the covenant God made with Noah. I just don't understand how that can all be reconciled.

Genesis 8:21 ~
When the LORD smelled the pleasing aroma, He said in His heart, “Never again will I curse the ground because of man, even though every inclination of his heart is evil from his youth. And never again will I destroy all living creatures as I have done.
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He destroys it to create it anew.
The things I don't feel too stoked about the new earth as it is biblically described is that there will be no oceans (Revelation 21:1), and no night (Revelation 21:25, Revelation 22:5), oceans are beautiful and teaming with life so I hope that verse is not literal, and the night is also a beautiful time, especially the sunrise, sunset, the full moon, the stars, meteor showers, aurora borealis, so I again hope that is not literal.

The beauty you see in nature, is only a shadow of a spiritual principal. The earth is temporary and when it has outlived it's usefulness, God will do away with it. The world, and everything is it, is representative of the true creation, which is mankind.

Jamdoc said:

He destroys it to create it anew.
The things I don't feel too stoked about the new earth as it is biblically described is that there will be no oceans (Revelation 21:1), and no night (Revelation 21:25, Revelation 22:5), oceans are beautiful and teaming with life so I hope that verse is not literal, and the night is also a beautiful time, especially the sunrise, sunset, the full moon, the stars, meteor showers, aurora borealis, so I again hope that is not literal.

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That's just inside the new Jerusalem. God will be dwelling there so His glory will light everything. Out side the city it will be similar to now. Notice the tree of life gives its fruit every month, showing seasons and time will continue-just like God said it would forever. The creation and time are tied together. Only God had no beginning. Time is needed to administrate the creation for created beings.

Ezek. 40-48, shows the Temple will last forever too, along with Israel. So, the Heavenly city has no Temple, but this Temple is outside the new Jerusalem, therefore they can both last forever.

No sea, could mean none like we know today-maybe not a blue planet no more? More landmass for people will be a good thing. No reason there cannot be large lakes, or maybe he was talking about the area around Jerusalem? The land will be changed their for sure. Lifted up and there will be a big flat area with a high mountain at one end (the heavenly city). The whole lifted area will be called Zion with both the Temple and the New Jerusalem on the same plateau. It will be a shining city of light!

22But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels,

1The word which Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.

2Now it will come about that
In the last days
The mountain of the house of the LORD
Will be established as the chief of the mountains,
And will be raised above the hills;
And all the nations will stream to it.

3And many peoples will come and say,
“Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD,
To the house of the God of Jacob;
That He may teach us concerning His ways
And that we may walk in His paths.”
For the law will go forth from Zion
And the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

4And He will judge between the nations,
And will render decisions for many peoples;
And they will hammer their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks.
Nation will not lift up sword against nation,
And never again will they learn war.

5Come, house of Jacob, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.

1In the twenty-fifth year of our exile, at the beginning of the year, on the tenth of the month, in the fourteenth year after the city was taken, on that same day the hand of the LORD was upon me and He brought me there. 2In the visions of God He brought me into the land of Israel and set me on a very high mountain, and on it to the south there was a structure like a city.

10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,

You ought to read "Heaven" by Randy Alcorn. It changed my viewpoint on what Heaven will be like, and got me to dig in about this subject. I believe it will also set down at the start of the 1000 year reign (Rev 21-22 being a parenthetical showing the start of the MK and focusing in on the heavenly city), and be smaller than we think because of cubed measurements. Janet Willis, in he book What on Earth is Heaven like?, has some good ideas about the size and shape of the city. She gave me the last piece of the puzzle.

https://www.amazon.com/What-Earth-Heaven-Like-Jerusalem/dp/1516815130

https://www.amazon.com/Heaven-Randy-Alcorn/dp/0842379428

Every thing dies. But in God's new earth nothing dies. It is not so much a destruction, as it is a new birth.

Man chooses ways that destroy, he pollutes the seas, and rivers, causing death. He kills other man, he forgets the needy, and leaves them to die. In God's new earth, there will be no more tears or crying. All will be restored.

The buety you see will be there, but nothing that causes offence.

No where in the bible does it say that God will destroy the world. The only thing that is however spoken about by Yeshua, in Matthew 24 somewhere. Is how the heavens and earth will pass away, meaning that this heaven (sky above) and the earth (the 4 corners we see of our inhabitant) (Our life on earth seen by our eyes), will pass away meaning death.

There is a lot of symbolism though about the earth burning with fire with elements of heat. However those scriptures are referring to how if we feed our spirit the earthly desires of our flesh die and are burned away because of the Love of God, and the fact of God being a fire.

Fire burns things away, if you set wood on fire it burns in to ashes. If God's love is in you and the Kingdom of Heaven is in you, and Yeshua baptizes you with Fire, along with the holy spirit, and the spirit of Christ somethings in our flesh burn are diminish unless we go and gather things up back in our flesh like hate, anger, strife, and many other fleshly things. Galatians 5:16-25

mkgal1 said:

I just came across this video of all the wonderful beauty there is in nature.....yet some believe our Creator is going to destroy what He's created. Why would He go through such an extent to create so much beauty.....and then destroy it? And the Bible even states that nature testifies of Him (Psalm 19; Romans 1:20; Psalm 33:5). And also there's the covenant God made with Noah. I just don't understand how that can all be reconciled.

Genesis 8:21 ~
When the LORD smelled the pleasing aroma, He said in His heart, “Never again will I curse the ground because of man, even though every inclination of his heart is evil from his youth. And never again will I destroy all living creatures as I have done.
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You seem to be one who does not have a strong knowledge of what the Bible actually says will happen. Yes great destruction is coming and judgment when man chooses to worship the dragon Satan and the antichrist. The world is so bad that if the LORD did not intervene no life at all would be left. Then the LORD comes and it seems the earth is restored and it implies that conditions reverse back to the days in Genesis when life spans were very long. At the end of the 1000 year reign of Jesus on earth Satan is loosed for a short time to test the loyalty of all the living during this 1000 period where justice is perfect and many will be deceived and a final rebellion is organized which manages an army to surround Jerusalem which is then destroyed and that is the end of this creation. Then a new creation and new Jerusalem is revealed and in it all the saved will marvel at the new creation and we will have new bodies suitable to inhabit that. This earth and all the marvels in it will be done and it will be melted with fervent heat as God who holds all things together lets go and the creation out of nothing is over with.
This creation shows the glory of the creator through the creation. God's use for it is over and all the evidence in the creation leave man without an excuse for believing in the infinite one God of the Bible who created all these things.

mkgal1 said:

He did say He would never curse the earth again because of man.

Genesis 8:21 ~ 21When the LORD smelled the pleasing aroma, He said in His heart, “Never again will I curse the earth because of man, even though every inclination of his heart is evil from his youth. And never again will I destroy all living creatures as I have done.​

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I cannot tell if you are claiming God is a liar or not.

When I think about the new heavens and new earth, @mkgal1 . Often people believe we are going to see a new heaven and new earth. Often that belief tends to have the earth we live on destroyed by fire. Sometimes that the heavens (sky) can get confused with a 'heaven - Heavenly Jerusalem', and not taken as the sky above.

Is it possible when people are baptized by Yeshua - with the holy spirit, and fire (Matthew 3:11), they can see the world in a different light, that the sky and earth look new almost transformed because of the Holy spirit that Yeshua baptizes us with?

My thoughts on the new heavens and the new earth is seeing everything differently coming to Christ Yeshua and understanding that we are given a life-giving spirit, and access to God, with a renewed mind.

All believers in Yeshua Christ will be raised back to life, with a body that is able to be in the presence with God and the Lamb, in the heavenly Jerusalem. This is known a city. So a network of people live here with in a city, who says what else may not be there that is all

• Philippians 4:8 And now, dear brothers and sisters, one final thing. Fix your thoughts on what is true, and honorable, and right, and pure, and lovely, and admirable. Think about things that are excellent and worthy of praise.

There would be many animals, who knows for some believers, may be get to see all the galaxies God created, because God loves all people, and would desire them to have freedom too in this city. Just like Adam and Eve had their freedom to roam around the earth, tame the animals, look at the stars, the clouds rolling by, forests, wilderness, mountain ranges, icy snow mountains.

All we know is that we are going to receive a spiritual body which is given to us by God in which he pleases. We have all of this that is being present to us in the holy scriptures which all relies on belief on God, or not by choice in freedom.

All the people who did not believe who are still stuck in their unbelief with denial, and no desire for God what so ever, will be outside of this city, known as Heavenly Jerusalem which do not seem to close out the ones outside of the city, and leave it open for those turn back from the darkness and in to His light.

mkgal1 said:

I just came across this video of all the wonderful beauty there is in nature.....yet some believe our Creator is going to destroy what He's created. Why would He go through such an extent to create so much beauty.....and then destroy it? And the Bible even states that nature testifies of Him (Psalm 19; Romans 1:20; Psalm 33:5). And also there's the covenant God made with Noah. I just don't understand how that can all be reconciled.

Genesis 8:21 ~
When the LORD smelled the pleasing aroma, He said in His heart, “Never again will I curse the ground because of man, even though every inclination of his heart is evil from his youth. And never again will I destroy all living creatures as I have done.
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Yes so much of nature is still so beautiful! But God placed it all under a curse as said in Gensis 3 and romans 8:
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

Also:

1. 2 Peter 3:10
   But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
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2. 2 Peter 3:12
   Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

AND:

Revelation 21
King James Version
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

He placed creation under the curse. He didn't tell us why, He just told us He did!

He will create a new heaven and earth and I am sure it will surpass the present in beauty!

Agallagher said:

No where in the bible does it say that God will destroy the world. The only thing that is however spoken about by Yeshua, in Matthew 24 somewhere. Is how the heavens and earth will pass away, meaning that this heaven (sky above) and the earth (the 4 corners we see of our inhabitant) (Our life on earth seen by our eyes), will pass away meaning death.

There is a lot of symbolism though about the earth burning with fire with elements of heat. However those scriptures are referring to how if we feed our spirit the earthly desires of our flesh die and are burned away because of the Love of God, and the fact of God being a fire.

Fire burns things away, if you set wood on fire it burns in to ashes. If God's love is in you and the Kingdom of Heaven is in you, and Yeshua baptizes you with Fire, along with the holy spirit, and the spirit of Christ somethings in our flesh burn are diminish unless we go and gather things up back in our flesh like hate, anger, strife, and many other fleshly things. Galatians 5:16-25

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2 Peter 3:10 talks about destruction of the planet, and we know God is going to make a new planet, a new earth, hopefully, many many planets that can be lived on and explored.

Agallagher said:

No where in the bible does it say that God will destroy the world.

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2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Running2win said:

That's just inside the new Jerusalem. God will be dwelling there so His glory will light everything. Out side the city it will be similar to now. Notice the tree of life gives its fruit every month, showing seasons and time will continue-just like God said it would forever. The creation and time are tied together. Only God had no beginning. Time is needed to administrate the creation for created beings.

Ezek. 40-48, shows the Temple will last forever too, along with Israel. So, the Heavenly city has no Temple, but this Temple is outside the new Jerusalem, therefore they can both last forever.

No sea, could mean none like we know today-maybe not a blue planet no more? More landmass for people will be a good thing. No reason there cannot be large lakes, or maybe he was talking about the area around Jerusalem? The land will be changed their for sure. Lifted up and there will be a big flat area with a high mountain at one end (the heavenly city). The whole lifted area will be called Zion with both the Temple and the New Jerusalem on the same plateau. It will be a shining city of light!

22But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels,

1The word which Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.

2Now it will come about that
In the last days
The mountain of the house of the LORD
Will be established as the chief of the mountains,
And will be raised above the hills;
And all the nations will stream to it.

3And many peoples will come and say,
“Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD,
To the house of the God of Jacob;
That He may teach us concerning His ways
And that we may walk in His paths.”
For the law will go forth from Zion
And the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

4And He will judge between the nations,
And will render decisions for many peoples;
And they will hammer their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks.
Nation will not lift up sword against nation,
And never again will they learn war.

5Come, house of Jacob, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.

1In the twenty-fifth year of our exile, at the beginning of the year, on the tenth of the month, in the fourteenth year after the city was taken, on that same day the hand of the LORD was upon me and He brought me there. 2In the visions of God He brought me into the land of Israel and set me on a very high mountain, and on it to the south there was a structure like a city.

10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,

You ought to read "Heaven" by Randy Alcorn. It changed my viewpoint on what Heaven will be like, and got me to dig in about this subject. I believe it will also set down at the start of the 1000 year reign (Rev 21-22 being a parenthetical showing the start of the MK and focusing in on the heavenly city), and be smaller than we think because of cubed measurements. Janet Willis, in he book What on Earth is Heaven like?, has some good ideas about the size and shape of the city. She gave me the last piece of the puzzle.

https://www.amazon.com/What-Earth-Heaven-Like-Jerusalem/dp/1516815130

https://www.amazon.com/Heaven-Randy-Alcorn/dp/0842379428

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I hope so, it's depressing sometimes to think that with the exception of sin and death and the curse, that the earth has things TAKEN AWAY from earth we now know. I would rather have an earth+ than earth-