30+ Bible verses that support universal salvation

Jord Simcha · Jul 11, 2020

Swan7 said:
You missed the point completely.
But to answer your question, anyone can tell you yes or no. It’s your responsibility as a believer to test every spirit.

Not sure what point I missed. You said read in the Holy Spirit. I have the Holy Spirit.

That's right, anybody can tell me anything, but I usually know what's up. I take your evasive answer as a no.

FineLinen · Jul 11, 2020

Jesus Christ the Saviour of the all is not the God of the dead, but of the living; for all live unto him. All the dead, then, live unto God. None live unto sin or the devil, but all the dead live unto God.

The Redeemer declares "I am the resurrection and the life."

If the Saviour of the all will raise any to endure everlasting misery or deathless death He would have said that he was the damnation/ annililation as well as the life.

Jord Simcha · Jul 11, 2020

Strong in Him said:
No, it may just be that they won't be there, but we'll be satisfied that God has done the right, just and loving thing - rather than being upset that a relationship we had in our earthly life is no more. That relationship ended at death.

Not a chance I'll be satisfied with that. Especially not with what I've come to believe. If I hadn't still unacceptable (and not the right, just and loving thing to do). Not just because of losing a relationship. That would be selfish. Rather because they don't deserve eternal punishment. It is called empathy.

It doesn't matter whether it makes sense; it's what Scripture says that matters. And I can't see any reason for the continued warnings about repenting, perishing, not receiving eternal life etc, if, in fact, everyone ended up being saved.

Well that's I mean: it makes a lot more sense based on the scriptures. No tears, sorrow, death, all things new, God being all in all, all things reconciled to God, great joy to all people.

The continued warnings I'm sure are there for a reason. Not just to get saved. God demands perfection of us. It is his nature.

No, I said that we can't judge with regards to salvation.

And I disagree.

If you were to say that God had told you that the way to be saved was to believe that the moon was made of green cheese, I would weigh that against Scripture, tell you that it is not a Scriptural teaching and say that I doubted that God told you - because he doesn't go against his word.
I would have no right to say, "therefore, you cannot possibly be saved."

Sure you would. Those who preach heresy tend not to be saved. I can make an exception for a babe in Christ. They aren't lead into all truth yet by the Spirit right after their conversion so they might still be unsound in their doctrine but on the other hand are from the beginning eager to preach, or at least share their testimony.

Evangelism isn't the only form of service.
What do you think we're going to do in heaven; play the harp all day?

Not sure.. watch tv.. lol.

Not all men and women who are married now have love relationships.
Jesus said that there is no marriage in heaven.

I realize that. But what I have heard from a preacher (I don't remember which one so I can't vouch for him) is that in Jesus' time marriage was a lot different. Hardly anybody married in freedom, but was given in marriage, in particular the women. Maybe that'll be done away with, not true love, I hope.

Seriously??
You'd be ashamed of our Lord Jesus if he separated couples who no longer loved each other but stayed married? Or reunited an abuser with the abused spouse? Or forced two people who had an unhappy marriage on earth to stay together for eternity?

I'm speaking about my own (eternal) life and how I want to live. And that is with a woman, in loving harmony forever. I sure hope that'll be the case.

None of us deserve anything from God. He gives, and more than we could ask or imagine - that's grace.

Yeah, I figured that was a likely response to how I put it. What I'm saying is that Paul in particular felt this way, in the light of what he had done, which is persecuting true followers of Jesus.

Why?
Why not have a life of fun here - doing exactly what you want while you can, and then look forward to salvation at some point in the future? Best of both worlds; please, and live for, yourself and be saved - just like all those who go into buildings, sit on pews, sing hymns and listen to long sermons.

I'm happier now living a relatively godly life than when I lived still ungodly, so, no thanks, that isn't the best of both worlds to me.

But why did Paul need to?
Why not just say; "you're a Christian, I'm a Jew; live and let live, we'll both be saved?
Why preach Jesus, or anything at all, if God is going to eventually give everyone a second chance to believe and be saved?

In his own words: "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20

Hopefully - but Scripture says that even Satan masquerades as an angel of light.

Sure. I used to find it hard to test preachers, paid real close attention to every thing they said and believed. I was also scared to judge them, because what if I thought they weren't born again when in fact they were, woudln't that be the unpardonable sin? Not recognizing the Holy Spirit in them.

But nowadays it's really routine for me, if I talk to somebody it's rare that I don't find out within two minutes whether they are a believer or not, that is, if religion is the subject. But even how people act about secular things and/or towards others can say a lot about their (lack of) spirituality.

The Gospel is John 3:16 - that if we believe in Jesus and accept that he died for our sins, we have eternal life, hope, a new start, forgiveness and a purpose in life.
If we don't; we don't.

The Gospel is not "believe what you like, hate God as much as you like; he's going to save you one day anyway."

It is indeed not believe what you like, and hate God as much as you like, but the last part is true. You're going to live eternally and you're going to like it.

Toro · Jul 11, 2020

Jord Simcha said:
Not sure what point I missed. You said read in the Holy Spirit. I have the Holy Spirit.

That's right, anybody can tell me anything, but I usually know what's up. I take your evasive answer as a no.

A very prideful answer.

Clearly one of the signs of having the Holy Spirit is that of pride and assuming arrogantly that another does not.

While she did not claim you to be lacking, you become defensive. Well done.

nolidad · Jul 11, 2020

FineLinen said:
The Plan of all plans is before your poor blind eyes & deaf ears.

"It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance--the forgiveness of our offences--so abundant was God's grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him."

And I agree with you 100% ! But for one thing. The bible declares this will be true only for those who received Him in this lifetime! YOu have yet to show a verse that says there is repentance in the lake of fire! YOu just rip verses out of their context and make them say something God never said!

nolidad · Jul 11, 2020

Light of the East said:
So let's see. God, who is love - that is, ONTOLOGICALLY that is what He is - out of His own will and with no external conditions or beings forcing Him to do otherwise, creates beings whom He foreknows (being omniscient) will fall into sin, separate themselves from him, and pass this separation on to all generations yet to come. He foreknows that because of this, these beings shall suffer eternally in unspeakable torments, yet He goes right ahead and creates all this. You then must say that it is His will not that all be saved, as 1 Timothy 2:4 says, but rather that most all be damned and suffer forever, for action presupposes will. That is, we take certain actions which are consistent with that which we have willed.

If I create a piece of stained glass to hang in my window, then it was my will not only to create it, but to create it in a certain pattern, with certain colors, and with a certain shape. All actions are an expression of will. Therefore, you must say that God's will was, as the heretical Calvinists state, to create mankind with the express purpose of damning the majority of them to suffer forever.

And this is love how?

Your turn.

You create a strawmasn argument then beat that strawman!

God created man perfect! Just like he created all three classes of spirit being s perfect. But He gave both of us a will to choose obedience or disobedience and gave consequences. He foreknew but did not force man to fall, He just knew they would all fall!

I freely admit I do not understand all of that! But then again I am but a speck of dust in the universe God spoke into existence! I can only see from a finite perspective. God sees from an infinite perspective. I can only declare what He revealed in HIs Word. Anything that contradicts His Word I resist with all the breath I have! For that is heresy and apostasy!

FineLinen · Jul 11, 2020

Toro said:
A very prideful answer.

FineLinen · Jul 11, 2020

nolidad said:
And I agree with you 100% ! But for one thing. The bible declares this will be true only for those who received Him in this lifetime!

There is nothing of the dispensation of the fulness of times that is conditional on when. In fact, it is in the consummation of the all & all.

Salvation is pointed to the especially and all mankind: the all.

The love & grace of God does not have an expiratory date!

The steadfast love of the Lord NEVER ceases: ever!

Jord Simcha · Jul 11, 2020

Toro said:
A very prideful answer.

Clearly one of the signs of having the Holy Spirit is that of pride and assuming arrogantly that another does not.

While she did not claim you to be lacking, you become defensive. Well done.

I'm just honest. And bold in the faith. If I boast I boast in the Lord, as commanded.
It is He that makes me able to judge all things.

Toro · Jul 11, 2020

FineLinen said:

My point exactly, thanks.

If you meant my warning of pride is prideful.

There was not pride in what I said, for I CONSTANTLY need more of the Holy Spirit, for if I neglect such a salvation and find myself lacking in the Holy Spirit, at best I live as a pharisee and at worse I live like a devil

However, warning someone of their pride and defensiveness because someone reminds her fellow brothers and sisters that we are ALL to read IN the Hoky Spirit for things to be truly revealed to us... is not pride, it is a warning in love.

Whether they choose to heed that reminder or get defensive is their choice.

It is not that we are never rebuked, but how we respond to those rebukes of love that matter, for none are perfect and are capable of straying.

Toro · Jul 11, 2020

Jord Simcha said:
I'm just honest. And bold in the faith. If I boast I boast in the Lord, as commanded.
It is He that makes me able to judge all things.

We are to discern, ONLY God is judge.

James 4:12

FineLinen · Jul 11, 2020

nolidad said:
I freely admit I do not understand all of that! But then again I am but a speck of dust in the universe God spoke into existence! I can only see from a finite perspective.

That is evident from your posts of limited.

Perhaps one day in the nasty now and now you will awaken to behold a new Horizon in Him?

Our limited must yield to His UN (limited) !

nolidad · Jul 11, 2020

FineLinen said:
That is evident from your posts of limited.

Perhaps one day in the nasty now and now you will awaken to behold a new Horizon in Him?

Our limited must yield to His UN (limited) !

Well until He changes His Word and we know for sure it is HIm doing the changing, I will stand by what He revealed and not what you re translate inaccurately!

nolidad · Jul 11, 2020

FineLinen said:
There is nothing of the dispensation of the fulness of times that is conditional on when. In fact, it is in the consummation of the all & all.

Salvation is pointed to the especially and all mankind: the all.

The love & grace of God does not have an expiratory date!

The steadfast love of the Lord NEVER ceases: ever!

So show a verse that declares the wicked in the lake of firel can repent. Something of that magnitude, surely He would reveal! (NOT)

YOU take a word the greeks use as eternal and seek to make it say something else. this is rank dishonesty!

Swan7 · Jul 11, 2020

FineLinen said:
Jesus Christ the Saviour of the all is not the God of the dead, but of the living; for all live unto him. All the dead, then, live unto God. None live unto sin or the devil, but all the dead live unto God.

The Redeemer declares "I am the resurrection and the life."

If the Saviour of the all will raise any to endure everlasting misery or deathless death He would have said that he was the damnation/ annililation as well as the life.

Yet while you had agreed with the one who got defensive, you also have not tested my spirit. Be very careful about those you don't even know in making such assumptions on your own intellect.

FineLinen · Jul 11, 2020

Toro said:
My point exactly, thanks.

If you meant my warning of pride is prideful.

There was not pride in what I said, for I CONSTANTLY need more of the Holy Spirit, for if I neglect such a salvation and find myself lacking in the Holy Spirit, at best I live as a pharisee and at worse I live like a devil

However, warning someone of their pride and defensiveness because someone reminds her fellow brothers and sisters that we are ALL to read IN the Hoky Spirit for things to be truly revealed to us... is not pride, it is a warning in love.

Whether they choose to heed that reminder or get defensive is their choice.

It is not that we are never rebuked, but how we respond to those rebukes of love that matter, for none are perfect and are capable of straying.

Speaking of the awesome love and grace of the Master of Reconciliation is in the realm of faith and testimony of Him.

The mighty man of God, A.W. Tozer said,

The purpose of the cross is to do away with you, blessed riddance!

Swan7 · Jul 11, 2020

nolidad said:
So show a verse that declares the wicked in the lake of firel can repent. Something of that magnitude, surely He would reveal! (NOT)

YOU take a word the greeks use as eternal and seek to make it say something else. this is rank dishonesty!

I agree, doesn't it sound like Gnosticism as well? Something revealed only to them?

Jord Simcha · Jul 11, 2020

Toro said:
We are to discern, ONLY God is judge.

James 4:12

"But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man." 1 Corinthians 2:15

I judge all things. According to scripture, it is in my God given spiritual nature.

Toro · Jul 11, 2020

Jord Simcha said:
"But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man." 1 Corinthians 2:15

I judge all things. According to scripture, it is in my God given spiritual nature.

Matthew 7:1-3

What you did is judge another person by assumption, not by the fruit they bear to know the kind of tree they are BY their fruit.

Such judgements on assumptions can be dangerous.

All she said is to be in the Spirit and let the Holy Spirit reveal truths to you. That is biblical and sound, so you should have no problem with what was originally said, yet you did... but claim to judge all things through scripture.... yet took issue with something that is biblical.

Jord Simcha · Jul 11, 2020

Toro said:
Matthew 7:1-3

What you did is judge another person by assumption, not by the fruit they bear to know the kind of tree they are BY their fruit.

Such judgements on assumptions can be dangerous.

All she said is to be in the Spirit and let the Holy Spirit reveal truths to you. That is biblical and sound, so you should have no problem with what was originally said, yet you did... but claim to judge all things through scripture.... yet took issue with something that is biblical.

I simply affirmed that I already do what she suggested.

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