Shaun King Calls Jesus Statues & Images Are a Form of White Supremacy & Should Be Removed

truefiction1 said:

I wonder, what color is the skin of Jewish people? Is it something other than the color of the Jewish people whom I have met or known, which was the same color of skin as many other Caucasian peoples I've met and know?

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We had an entire thread on this.

Radagast said:

We had an entire thread on this.

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So then, what color was Christ's skin?

truefiction1 said:

So then, what color was Christ's skin?

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We don’t know.

truefiction1 said:

So then, what color was Christ's skin?

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My personal opinion is that modern-day Palestinian Christians, being the descendants of 1st Century Jews, might be a good indication.



Or else the Samaritans, who have probably experienced less mixing with outside groups:

truefiction1 said:

Iconoclasm and violence are always closely connected. First comes the rebellion against sacred images and then the large scale atrocity and mass murder. It's insanity. There's no real reasoning behind these desires or actions, only a thirst for blood sacrifice under the guise of making things all good in the world. But the evil people will not learn. They can't hear or see anything but the darkness that engulfs their own hearts and minds. They worship their own mental concepts, which are the creation of demons, and hate metaphorical depictions the Kingdom of heaven, and the King Who is Christ, and the queen who stands with Him, and of all the heavenly saints. They hate God and so they want to destroy all things or depictions that may remind them of God. Then they also murder the saints because they speak His Truth.

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• The Seventh Ecumenical Council. The Second Council of Nicaea.
(A.D. 787)
Emperors-Constantine VI. And Irene. Pope.-Hadrian.

• Extracts from the Acts. Session I.


NPNF2-14 The Seventh Ecumenical Council. Extracts from the Acts. Session I.


• Anathema to the calumniators of the Christians, that is to the image breakers.

• Anathema to those who apply the words of Holy Scripture which were spoken against idols, to the venerable images.

• Anathema to those who do not salute the holy and venerable images.

• Anathema to those who say that Christians have recourse to the images as to gods.

• Anathema to those who call the sacred images idols.

• Anathema to those who knowingly communicate with those who revile and dishonour the venerable images.

• Anathema to those who say that another than Christ our Lord hath delivered us from idols.

• Anathema to those who spurn the teachings of the holy Fathers and the tradition of the Catholic Church, taking as a pretext and making their own the arguments of Arius, Nestorius, Eutyches, and Dioscorus, that unless we were evidently taught by the Old and New Testaments, we should not follow the teachings of the holy Fathers and of the holy Ecumenical Synods, and the tradition of the Catholic Church.

• Anathema to those who dare to say that the Catholic Church hath at any time sanctioned idols.

• Anathema to those who say that the making of images is a diabolical invention and not a tradition of our holy Fathers.





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Radagast said:

My personal opinion is that modern-day Palestinian Christians, being the descendants of 1st Century Jews, might be a good indication.

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Probably Olive / Slightly Tanned Middle Easternish Skin Tone.

Not White or Black. Some where in the middle :




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What about the Black Ethiopian Icons of Jesus though ?









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It's A Fake satanic Trojan Horse designed to war against Christianity.

Will they tear down satanic bearded goat statues as well ?

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Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:

What about the Black Ethiopian Icons of Jesus though ?.

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There is nothing wrong with thinking of Jesus as looking like us, whoever "us" happens to be; but Jesus was not, in fact, Ethiopian.

Radagast said:

There is nothing wrong with thinking of Jesus as looking like us, whoever "us" happens to be; but Jesus was not, in fact, Ethiopian.

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I don't know if your last clause understands your first clause. Nobody is claiming that Jesus was Ethiopian.

dzheremi said:

I don't know if your last clause understands your first clause. Nobody is claiming that Jesus was Ethiopian.

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The two clauses were an attempt to combine Truth with Charity.

@Jude1:3Contendforthefaith seemed to be implying that Ethiopian icons are accurate depictions of what Jesus looked like. My second clause denied that.

Radagast said:

The two clauses were an attempt to combine Truth with Charity.

@Jude1:3Contendforthefaith seemed to be implying that Ethiopian icons are accurate depictions of what Jesus looked like. My second clause denied that.

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My comment was just to show that depictions of Jesus vary depending on the ethnicity group :








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Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:

My comment was just to show that depictions of Jesus vary depending on the ethnicity group .

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In that case I misunderstood you (in fact, I agree with you). Mea maxima culpa.

J Bella Funk said:

Jeffery Shaun King is an American writer, civil rights activist, and co-founder of Real Justice PAC. King uses social media to promote social justice causes, including the Black Lives Matter movement. On Twitter he called the statues of Jesus Christ are a "form of white supremacy; and should be torn down."

He continues on Twitter:

"Yes, I think the statues of the white European they claim is Jesus should also come down. They are a form of white supremacy. Always have been. In the Bible, when the family of Jesus wanted to hide, and blend in, guess where they went? EGYPT! Not Denmark. Tear them down."

“Yes. All murals and stained glass windows of white Jesus, and his European mother, and their white friends should also come down. They are a gross form white supremacy. Created as tools of oppression. Racist propaganda. They should all come down.”

Link to one of the articles below.

Shaun King says Jesus images ‘a form of white supremacy’ that must go: ‘They should all come down’

Do you think these statutes and images should be removed?

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While I am very anti-woke and do disagree with "tearing the statues down".. they can be argued to be historically a form of white supremacy.

I've always wondered if Jesus' image was portrayed as an actual black or dark skinned man, would it christianity managed to attract more to it? Lets wonder about this, when we pray we always have some form of imagination of his appearance as we are talking. I have to admit that the face i imagine as I am praying is almost in similarities to the images i've seen. How many of us actually do imagine the face of an unattractive dark skinned middle eastern man while we pray?

Cis.jd said:

How many of us actually do imagine the face of an unattractive dark skinned middle eastern man while we pray?

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Middle eastern men aren't "dark skinned," nor was Jesus.

I reject the whole concept of "white supremacy." I don't think it exists, apart from a handful of racist pockets. It is simply a fact that Western civilisation arises out of European and Middle Eastern origins, and that some aspects of Western civilisation (like democracy and calculus) are so good that they have been widely copied (other aspects are not so good, of course).

Equally, though, it disturbs me greatly that you think "dark skinned" people are "unattractive."

If we're going to apply historicism to iconography then i expect every depiction of a black skinned Jesus to be torn down as well. They should be rent apart and thrown into the fire along with Michelangelo's Pieta.

I suspect Shaun King, master theologian that he is, would not like the icons in such a style thrown around like that. If Jesus were depicted as a sub-Saharan African I have no doubt Shaun King would object to anyone calling into question it's historicity or removing them.

On a serious theological note, what is the point of iconography? Are they understood to be historical depictions of Christ and the saints as they really were? Or is their primary point to convey, via the painted image, of a deeper spiritual reality? Are we to infer racial politics from Rublev's Trinity? Are we to infer that the whiteness of Christ's skin is problematic in the pontocrator Icon instead of the dual nature of human and divine?

I have never had a problem of icons depicting Christ as an asiatic or Ethiopian Icons which give our Lord a darker complexion. Historically it's an interesting question to ponder what Christ might have looked like. Theologically and especially in painting Icons it is almost useless since these are not photographic representations of the life of Christ. Any Church which takes Shaun King seriously or these BLM activists as authorities for what is acceptable should promptly give up and abandon the faith altogether.

J Bella Funk said:

Jeffery Shaun King is an American writer, civil rights activist, and co-founder of Real Justice PAC. King uses social media to promote social justice causes, including the Black Lives Matter movement. On Twitter he called the statues of Jesus Christ are a "form of white supremacy; and should be torn down."

He continues on Twitter:

"Yes, I think the statues of the white European they claim is Jesus should also come down. They are a form of white supremacy. Always have been. In the Bible, when the family of Jesus wanted to hide, and blend in, guess where they went? EGYPT! Not Denmark. Tear them down."

“Yes. All murals and stained glass windows of white Jesus, and his European mother, and their white friends should also come down. They are a gross form white supremacy. Created as tools of oppression. Racist propaganda. They should all come down.”

Link to one of the articles below.

Shaun King says Jesus images ‘a form of white supremacy’ that must go: ‘They should all come down’

Do you think these statutes and images should be removed?

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although I would concede there may be examples of white Jesus being used for a white supremacy agenda white Jesus is more of an example of ethnocentrism then specifically white supremacy. Every culture/race has examples of Jesus imagined within their cultural framework and this is a normal part of visualization that we all do. There certainly is a case for promoting a historically correct depiction of Jesus but this doesn't make other depictions incorrect, it just makes them more contextual which is sort of the point of God becoming human to begin with. It certainly has limits where counter-gospel values may be manifested through how we present Jesus but it doesn't warrant the destruction of all depictions of Jesus that doesn't fit a narrow definition. Let Christ reveal himself to you and don't worry about how he has revealed himself to others.

Ignatius the Kiwi said:

Any Church which takes Shaun King seriously or these BLM activists as authorities for what is acceptable should promptly give up and abandon the faith altogether.

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Being now revealed as literal iconoclasts for the sake of the western world's political religion du jour, I think it is fair to ask if they haven't already done so.

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I’m not bothered by the images. I’m disturbed by the notion of destroying art for the sake of a narrative.

~Bella