LDS when and how did God become the father of our spirits

He is the way said:

So why does anyone believe that the truth about Jesus Christ would differ from His truths stated in the Bible?

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His truth in a Mormon rendering?
Please.

You have made you choice to follow a false prophet and you will not see that until the end at the rate you are going.

Jamesone5 said:

His truth in a Mormon rendering?
Please.

You have made you choice to follow a false prophet and you will not see that until the end at the rate you are going.

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It must needs be that a person believe in the Bible rendering of Jesus Christ.

YeshuaFan said:

We have souls given us by God when created at conception , as we did not pre exist!

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Biblical reference?

Jamesone5 said:

Let's see a good example would be your Chruch.

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the Mormon church that is one IN Christianity-----there goes your one true Church claim as it is NOT compatible. You would have to deny your BoM and your other two works as well.

while the Mormon Church that is one with Christianity----You can make that claim, although only Mormons believe it.

Seems you claims fall apart no matter what choice you make here.
But then we already knew that with your different Christ and all the other weird beliefs.[/QUOTE]

Jamesone5 said:

Let's see a good example would be your Chruch.

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Could you tell me what a "Chruch" is?

He is the way said:

It must needs be that a person believe in the Bible rendering of Jesus Christ.

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Are you trying to say "A person needs to believe in the
Bible rendering of Jesus Christ?"

I do---as I have said repeatedly.

Daniel Marsh said:

Adam became like one of the angels in knowledge alone.

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Sorry, but you have just rewritten the scripture to fit your agenda. The real scripture says that God said, " And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.

So according to God, Adam and Eve became as one of us. Who was with God in the garden that God would say "us". IOW the knowing of good and evil must be a major step to becoming like God.

God did not say, Adam and Eve have become like one of the angels in knowledge alone.

Jamesone5 said:

Are you trying to say "A person needs to believe in the
Bible rendering of Jesus Christ?"

I do---as I have said repeatedly.

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Then you believe that Jesus Christ is our Brother and that God the Father is our God and Christ's God and Our Father and Christ's Father also. And that the Father and Christ are one in glory and perfection. I am glad you came around to the Biblical Christ.

He is the way said:

Then you believe that Jesus Christ is our Brother and that God the Father is our God and Christ's God and Our Father and Christ's Father also. And that the Father and Christ are one in glory and perfection. I am glad you came around to the Biblical Christ.

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Then you believe that Jesus Christ is our Brother and that God the Father is our God and Christ's God and Our Father and Christ's Father also. ---HITW


Another case of bearing false witness.

I DO NOT believe Christ is our Brother and supposedly the ONE true God is Christ's God

How is that obedience things going? in Reality---not what you would suppose?

Cannot help Yourself can you?

Peter1000 said:

the Mormon church that is one IN Christianity-----there goes your one true Church claim as it is NOT compatible. You would have to deny your BoM and your other two works as well.

while the Mormon Church that is one with Christianity----You can make that claim, although only Mormons believe it.

Seems you claims fall apart no matter what choice you make here.
But then we already knew that with your different Christ and all the other weird beliefs.

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Now you got it

Jamesone5 said:

Then you believe that Jesus Christ is our Brother and that God the Father is our God and Christ's God and Our Father and Christ's Father also. ---HITW


Another case of bearing false witness.

I DO NOT believe Christ is our Brother and supposedly the ONE true God is Christ's God

How is that obedience things going? in Reality---not what you would suppose?

Cannot help Yourself can you?

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You said you believe in the Bible rendering of Jesus Christ. Are you changing your mind now?

He is the way said:

You said you believe in the Bible rendering of Jesus Christ. Are you changing your mind now?

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You do not seem to get it. This is the rendering YOU support:

Then you believe that Jesus Christ is our Brother and that God the Father is our God and Christ's God and Our Father and Christ's Father also. ---HITW

This is NOT the Bible rendering but evidently you would even argue against the fact that the sky is blue to somehow support your Church and false prophet.
YOUR arguments now seem to be in the "dying throngs" of someone who has long lost the argument.

You bore me.

Peter1000 said:

To us, it means that these sons were spirit children of God that he created before the earth was peopled.

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He is the way said:

We have always existed in some form:

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Were pre-mortal spirits created or begotten or did they always exist without beginning or end?

Peter1000 said:

The breath of life = our spirits, has existed for as long as God has existed, for He breathed into Adam his breath of life and he became a living soul.

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This sounds different from Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother giving birth to pre-mortal spirits!

Peter1000 said:

the Mormon church that is one IN Christianity-----there goes your one true Church claim as it is NOT compatible. You would have to deny your BoM and your other two works as well.

while the Mormon Church that is one with Christianity----You can make that claim, although only Mormons believe it.

Seems you claims fall apart no matter what choice you make here.
But then we already knew that with your different Christ and all the other weird beliefs.

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Could you tell me what a "Chruch" is?[/QUOTE]
Mormons gold to 3 Gods, and that Mormon males in good standing can become gods also, NOT the God of the Bible!

Jamesone5 said:

You do not seem to get it. This is the rendering YOU support:

Then you believe that Jesus Christ is our Brother and that God the Father is our God and Christ's God and Our Father and Christ's Father also. ---HITW

This is NOT the Bible rendering but evidently you would even argue against the fact that the sky is blue to somehow support your Church and false prophet.
YOUR arguments now seem to be in the "dying throngs" of someone who has long lost the argument.

You bore me.

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Their Jesus was a Mortal man who became God by being faithful. as all Mormon males hope to also become!

Jamesone5 said:

You do not seem to get it. This is the rendering YOU support:

Then you believe that Jesus Christ is our Brother and that God the Father is our God and Christ's God and Our Father and Christ's Father also. ---HITW

This is NOT the Bible rendering but evidently you would even argue against the fact that the sky is blue to somehow support your Church and false prophet.
YOUR arguments now seem to be in the "dying throngs" of someone who has long lost the argument.

You bore me.

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According to the Bible Christ is our brother:

(New Testament | Matthew 23:8 - 10)

8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

The second part is true also:

(New Testament | John 20:17)

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

He is the way said:

According to the Bible Christ is our brother:

(New Testament | Matthew 23:8 - 10)

8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

The second part is true also:

(New Testament | John 20:17)

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

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Jesus is God by His nature, while the redeemed are adopted into family of God, but NEVER become God!

YeshuaFan said:

Jesus is God by His nature, while the redeemed are adopted into family of God, but NEVER become God!

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(New Testament | Philippians 2:5 - 6)

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

(New Testament | 2 Peter 1:4)

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Andrewn said:

Were pre-mortal spirits created or begotten or did they always exist without beginning or end?


This sounds different from Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother giving birth to pre-mortal spirits!

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The scripture in Genesis is a beautiful, metaphoric rendition of how a persons spirit gets into their new mortal body. Our eternal spirit is placed in the body and when that is accomplished we become a living soul.

Andrewn said:

Were pre-mortal spirits created or begotten or did they always exist without beginning or end?


This sounds different from Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother giving birth to pre-mortal spirits!

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Read this scripture about Jesus healing a little girl.
Luke 8:54-56 King James Version (KJV)
54 And he put them all out, and took her by the hand, and called, saying, Maid, arise.
55 And her spirit came again, and she arose straightway: and he commanded to give her meat.
56 And her parents were astonished: but he charged them that they should tell no man what was done.

Notice that the bible says "her spirit". We believe that everyone has their own individual spirit. This passage in the bible confirms our belief.

Also notice that it is her spirit that gives her life. While it was in her she was alive. Obvious it left her body and she died. Jesus called her spirit and it came again and entered into her body, and she came alive again to the astonishment of all her parents.

Where did "her spirit" come from?

YeshuaFan said:

Jesus is God by His nature, while the redeemed are adopted into family of God, but NEVER become God!

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Is God not powerful enough to make other of his Sons, Gods, like he made Jesus a God?
Read this scripture if you think I am telling a falsehood.
Psalm 45:6-7 King James Version (KJV)
6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre
7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Notice that "thy God" is speaking about another God whose throne is forever. A God who lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness. 2 Gods, God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ.

And look at the word "fellows" at the end of the scripture. Apparently Jesus has fellows, or associates, or brothers who were close enought to him that God the Father called them fellows of Jesus.

Could these fellows eventually follow Jesus into Godhood too? Interesting question?