LDS MORMONS: Heavenly Mom Gets Less Respect

Hammster said:

I was asking about your reference. If you are moving the goalposts, let me know.

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Just another scripture about our ETERNAL spirits.

He is the way said:

These scriptures are about our bodies. As I have shown, our spirits were with God before we were born and they return to God after we die.

(New Testament | 2 Corinthians 5:1 - 10)

1 FOR we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

That says it all for those who understand the meaning thereof because our bodies are the tabernacles of our spirits.

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Yes, our bodies will be eternal---after the resurrection! I have given you the scriptures that say exactly that. That doesn't take place until then. You are interpreting to mean from before we were born, those scriptures do not say that. That is twisting the scriptures to agree with your believes instead of letting the scriptures speak what the are actually saying. Again, it is the breath of life that goes back to God who gave it. Adam was not eternal with God before He was created and before God breathed into Him. That gift of life God gave Adam and Eve the abi9lity to pass it on to his children---every living thing has His breath in them, without it, they have no life.

Hammster said:

That doesn’t answer my question, though.

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Two sources are better than one.

mmksparbud said:

Yes, our bodies will be eternal---after the resurrection! I have given you the scriptures that say exactly that. That doesn't take place until then. You are interpreting to mean from before we were born, those scriptures do not say that. That is twisting the scriptures to agree with your believes instead of letting the scriptures speak what the are actually saying. Again, it is the breath of life that goes back to God who gave it. Adam was not eternal with God before He was created and before God breathed into Him. That gift of life God gave Adam and Eve the abi9lity to pass it on to his children---every living thing has His breath in them, without it, they have no life.

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We lived as spirits long before we were born:

(Old Testament | Job 38:4 - 9)

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

He is the way said:

We lived as spirits long before we were born:

(Old Testament | Job 38:4 - 9)

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

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That is representatives from other worlds---Satan came in as a representatives of this world, for He gained control of this world at the fall and is called

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Certainly not us before we were born. Ridiculous. All those questions God asks Job are rhetorical questions.

Job 38:2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

Job had no knowledge of anything that God asked him. All those questions Job realized he knew nothing and was left speechless.

Job 40:3 Then Job answered the LORD, and said,
Job 40:4 Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth.
Job 40:5 Once have I spoken; but I will not answer: yea, twice; but I will proceed no further.

Not one word of any of Job translates to anyone existing before being born!! You are merely parroting what you have ben taught, not what the words themselves say!

Hammster said:

It doesn’t answer the question, though. I can tell that one won’t be forthcoming, though.

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It is explained a little farther down in the same chapter:

(Pearl of Great Price | Abraham 3:22 - 28)

22 Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the intelligences that were organized before the world was; and among all these there were many of the noble and great ones;
23 And God saw these souls that they were good, and he stood in the midst of them, and he said: These I will make my rulers; for he stood among those that were spirits, and he saw that they were good; and he said unto me: Abraham, thou art one of them; thou wast chosen before thou wast born.
24 And there stood one among them that was like unto God, and he said unto those who were with him: We will go down, for there is space there, and we will take of these materials, and we will make an earth whereon these may dwell;
25 And we will prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them;
26 And they who keep their first estate shall be added upon; and they who keep not their first estate shall not have glory in the same kingdom with those who keep their first estate; and they who keep their second estate shall have glory added upon their heads for ever and ever.
27 And the Lord said: Whom shall I send? And one answered like unto the Son of Man: Here am I, send me. And another answered and said: Here am I, send me. And the Lord said: I will send the first.
28 And the second was angry, and kept not his first estate; and, at that day, many followed after him.

That is why the heading states:
(Pearl of Great Price | Abraham 3:Heading)

The Lord reveals to him the eternal nature of spirits

Heavenly Mom
The topic always moves away from her
Rodney Dangerfield got more respect

Tra Phull said:

Heavenly Mom
The topic always moves away from her
Rodney Dangerfield got more respect

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The topic of Heavenly Mother has been fully discussed. Did you have a question?

I made statements.
I know how to ask a Question.

My point is that what you consider "fully discussed" is your opinion.

Fully evaded and obfuscated would be more like it, imo.

I would conclude that Heavenly Mom is an embarrassment to Mormons, and they will do anything to avoid truly addressing the concept; at least the few Mormons who post here.

Tra Phull said:

I made statements.
I know how to ask a Question.

My point is that what you consider "fully discussed" is your opinion.

Fully evaded and obfuscated would be more like it, imo.

I would conclude that Heavenly Mom is an embarrassment to Mormons, and they will do anything to avoid truly addressing the concept; at least the few Mormons who post here.

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I am not embarrassed by Her, why should I be? I have discussed Her on this thread and have not evaded anything covered by our doctrine of Her. If you don't have any questions I will assume that our discussion of Her is finished.

I don't