LDS MORMONS: Heavenly Mom Gets Less Respect

He is the way said:

God was not made. Do you believe that God was made?

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Not that stupid thing again. God always existed as God---you know my sister-in-law used to make all her own pottery, had her own kiln---had a room full of pottery. When we went in there everything in there was made by her---you don't count the maker along with what they make!! Plain nonsense!!

mmksparbud said:

Not that stupid thing again. God always existed as God---you kno9w my sister-in-law used to make alol her own pottery, had her own kiln---had a room full of pottery. hen we went in ther5e everything in there was made by her---you don't count the maker along with what they make!! Plain nonsense!!

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We were not made, we have always existed.

He is the way said:

We were not made, we have always existed.

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Total and complete falsehood straight from the mouth of Satan and you will know it, straight from the mouth of God, one day. You are misreading the Job thing--- you are believing the lies from JS instead of reading the bible as it is written. No Jew ever taught that, and guess what, the bible was given to the Jews, and it is what their thinking about things that should be taken into consideration. The only bible Jesus had was the OT and He never said a word about this foolishness. .

Hammster said:

How do we know this?

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(Pearl of Great Price | Abraham 3:17 - 19)

17 Now, if there be two things, one above the other, and the moon be above the earth, then it may be that a planet or a star may exist above it; and there is nothing that the Lord thy God shall take in his heart to do but what he will do it.
18 Howbeit that he made the greater star; as, also, if there be two spirits, and one shall be more intelligent than the other, yet these two spirits, notwithstanding one is more intelligent than the other, have no beginning; they existed before, they shall have no end, they shall exist after, for they are gnolaum, or eternal.
19 And the Lord said unto me: These two facts do exist, that there are two spirits, one being more intelligent than the other; there shall be another more intelligent than they; I am the Lord thy God, I am more intelligent than they all.

Hammster said:

Earlier that was about Heavenly Mother.

You’ll have to explain how we get “we aren’t created” from that.

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And, as I said, it is about all of us.

He is the way said:

And, as I said, it is about all of us.

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It only mentions 2 spirits, one being more Intelligent than the other. Makes no mention of who they are. Any way you slice it, you can't get "it's all about us" from 2 spirits.

mmksparbud said:

It only mentions 2 spirits, one being more Intelligent than the other. Makes no mention of who they are. Any way you slice it, you can't get "it's all about us" from 2 spirits.

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All spirits are eternal.

He is the way said:

All spirits are eternal.

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Where in the bible is that stated?

1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Mat_10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

mmksparbud said:

Where in the bible is that stated?

1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Mat_10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

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Our bodies will die, but NOT our spirits, and eventually even our bodies will become immortal:

(Old Testament | Ecclesiastes 12:7)

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.


(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 15:54)

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Hammster said:

And where does it say that in your quote?

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It is about spirits in general. If you can't understand the scripture, it is not my fault.

He is the way said:

Our bodies will die, but NOT our spirits, and eventually even our bodies will become immortal:

(Old Testament | Ecclesiastes 12:7)

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.


(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 15:54)

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

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We become immortal only after the resurrection at which point we are changed and not before.

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

He is the way said:

It is about spirits in general. If you can't understand the scripture, it is not my fault.

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It does not say in general---it says clearly---2 spirits, one more intelligent then the other!!

mmksparbud said:

We become immortal only after the resurrection at which point we are changed and not before.

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

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These scriptures are about our bodies. As I have shown, our spirits were with God before we were born and they return to God after we die.

(New Testament | 2 Corinthians 5:1 - 10)

1 FOR we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

That says it all for those who understand the meaning thereof because our bodies are the tabernacles of our spirits.

Hammster said:

I’m just wondering how you come to the conclusion that it’s every single person when it only mentions two. What is the wording that suggests it’s spirits in general.

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(New Testament | 2 Corinthians 5:1)

1 FOR we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.