Black Lives Matter, and the Rapture

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Its not the people reject the rapture, its that people argue when it happens. Some people believe its before the tribulation, some people believe its during the trib and some people think its after

I believe that Revelation presents several visions of the time between Jesus' first and second comings. All of the punishments are symbolic of the tribulation happening between those two events. Those types of suffering will intensify before Jesus' return, when he will "rapture" us into the air (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18). At the same time, he will bring with him the souls whose bodies have died, raise all of our bodies rejoined with our resurrection bodies, preside over the final judgment, re-create the universe into a perfect paradise where we will live forever with him.

I don't believe that the Bible teaches an invisible "rapture" but instead the visible one Paul describes. Also, I believe that Jesus will come once, not twice. I don't believe that the thousand years of Rev. 20 is yet future; it's this age in which Satan is chained and prevented from obstructing the spreading of the gospel. Like other numbers in Revelation, 1,000 is symbolic of a long, complete period of time, since the number is a complete number along with 7 as God's perfect number; 6, the human number falling short of God's number; 3, another complete number. Rev. 20 starts another vision after a symbolic picture of Jesus' return at the end of chapter 19 and leading to the final judgment and the new heavens and new earth with the coming down of the new Jerusalem in chapter 21 and 22 to the new earth.

If the end time doesn't end up that way, that's okay. I'm also a panmillennialist; it'll all pan out!
 
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I read your OP . A lot of these looters are racist instigators trying to cause problems between the police and the protesters. They start fires, fights, and vandalize. Some of the looters are stupid teens out for kicks . It’s not really the people who are protesting .
 
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Well after walking with the Lord for over 45 years, researching all thoughts on Eschatology and teaching Eschatology in bible College, Bible Institute and several local chuyrches, I am 100% convinced that the Bible teaches a pre-trib rapture.

And if you are born again you will not miss the rapture. One is either a Christian or not. And if one is a Christian alive at the time fo the Lord calling the church home, you will go. It is not a matter of how good or bad you are. It is a matter of being a child of God or not!
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I believe that Revelation presents several visions of the time between Jesus' first and second comings. All of the punishments are symbolic of the tribulation happening between those two events. Those types of suffering will intensify before Jesus' return, when he will "rapture" us into the air (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18). At the same time, he will bring with him the souls whose bodies have died, raise all of our bodies rejoined with our resurrection bodies, preside over the final judgment, re-create the universe into a perfect paradise where we will live forever with him.

I don't believe that the Bible teaches an invisible "rapture" but instead the visible one Paul describes. Also, I believe that Jesus will come once, not twice. I don't believe that the thousand years of Rev. 20 is yet future; it's this age in which Satan is chained and prevented from obstructing the spreading of the gospel. Like other numbers in Revelation, 1,000 is symbolic of a long, complete period of time, since the number is a complete number along with 7 as God's perfect number; 6, the human number falling short of God's number; 3, another complete number. Rev. 20 starts another vision after a symbolic picture of Jesus' return at the end of chapter 19 and leading to the final judgment and the new heavens and new earth with the coming down of the new Jerusalem in chapter 21 and 22 to the new earth.

If the end time doesn't end up that way, that's okay. I'm also a panmillennialist; it'll all pan out!
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I know some of you don't believe in the Rapture, and have put out some very good proof for it not existing, but I'm still scared I won't make it. This post has some pretty convincing data for the Rapture:

Disciple Robert

And also underneath the post, I wanted to see what the posters' stance was for the BLM movement. I commented under the username "ghostly". Please look at the comment thread.

He said that the people movements here on Earth have "the powers of darkness" in them. Does this mean I've been supporting evil? Should I not support BLM? I feel the need to because the movement is so powerful, and speaks to me in volumes, but I don't want to support something that would be considered evil.

@boxman144 In these times I think it is important for us to be set apart from the world. We expect the return of our Lord at any moment. Focus on Jesus and walking in the spirit. Set your mind on the things above and not the things of this world. In other words opinions about BLM or any other matter are fine to have but don't let them dominate your thought life. Don't worry one way or the other too much about the social and political problems and happenings of this world.

Concern yourself with the Word of God, pray, never ceasing, be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Trust in God in everything and for everything. Now I don't claim to be a Pre-trib/Post-trib/Mid trib believer. When will Christ return and take us up? I am not exactly sure but what I do know is that 1 Thessalonians 4:17 says "Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord."

Live as though He is coming today. Remember the 10 virgins who didn't have enough oil in their lamps to enter the wedding? Keep your lamp full and rely on Jesus. There are many distractions these days meant to take our focus away from our walk with The Lord Jesus Christ. I myself am certainly guilty of focusing on the goings on of the world, I think we all are at times. But just hold fast to the promises of God and strive to make Him your center point. Be watchful so that nothing takes you by suprise.


1 John 4:4-5 But you belong to God, my dear children. You have already won a victory over those people, because the Spirit who lives in you is greater than the spirit who lives in the world. Those people belong to this world, so they speak from the world’s viewpoint, and the world listens to them.

2 Corinthians 6:17 Therefore, come out from among unbelievers, and separate yourselves from them, says the LORD. Don’t touch their filthy things, and I will welcome you.

Romans 12:2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is–his good, pleasing and perfect will.

Romans 6:5-6 Since we have been united with him in his death, we will also be raised to life as he was. We know that our old sinful selves were crucified with Christ so that sin might lose its power in our lives. We are no longer slaves to sin.

Also take a look at 1st Thessalonians chapters 4 and 5.
 
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To let it be known:

I do not condone any of the rioting, or the looting. It's sick, and it hurts people.

But the rioting and looting isn't all there is. There are so many peaceful protests going on that the media won't show for some reason.

And not all of this is pent up anger from slavery, that's not just it. That's ignorant of her to say.

When I say I believe in the Black Lives Matter community, I mean that abuse towards our black youth need to stop. Malcolm X fought for it, Martin Luther King Jr fought for it. And now we're fighting for our equality.
I'm not an ignorant person.
I grew up in NYC and know all the problems very well.

You mentioned MLK. Fine.
What about all the black "leaders" that use the problems of the black community for their own gain?
Al Sharpton comes to mind. (I've been gone from NY a long time).

But I do NOT like what he used to do....incite.
This did them no favors. It needs to be understood that to be a part of society one must fit into that society. I learned this even when I moved here.
One cannot be different from everyone else and still expect to be "accepted".

I don't understand what the rapture has to do with this.

I don't even believe there will be a rapture...it does not exist in the N.T. and has been a recent invention that was not recognized by the church before.
 
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Should we assume you are white?
Yes, I am. I hope that doesn't make a difference.
I've already written two posts where I stated that I'd like for us all to stop seeing color...but will it ever really be? Maybe.

Anyway, we don't have to be hit by a truck to know it hurts.

I understand what the black community is going through,,,as much as could be understood without actually living it,,,,there is a limit to really understanding something.

Yes, all lives matter. No, burning and looting is not the right response. It hurts people who aren't causing the problem we're supposedly trying to fix.

But there is a reason for emphasizing racial justice.

I am also white, but I am part of a mixed family, so not all of my relatives are white. Both I and one of my white children have been pulled over by the police because, based on the car we were driving, they thought we were black. They said that's why they pulled us over - because they thought we were black. When they saw we were white they apologized and let us go with no ticket.

What would it be like for you if you know the police were stopping you just because of your skin color and you didn't know what the police were going to do? Simply because you're black they might decide to use excessive force - severely injure you - possibly kill you.

For that reason, because my non-white relatives are scared witless by all of this, they carry weapons with them. They have said: if the police treat me fairly, fine. If the police come at me, I'm not going down without a fight.
And herein lies the problem,,,in my view.
If it were me,,,I'd just do what the cops told me to.
And there still might be trouble due to the prejudice of some cops. If there's a weapon involved there will surely be problems. And "going down without a fight"....I don't agree with that way of thinking at all.


This IS a race problem. I have no idea how to solve it, but don't pretend like it's not there.
I think we might be derailing....
but how come this doesn't happen when a cop kills a white man by mistake? It's happened. It doesn't even get reported.
 
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He said that the people movements here on Earth have "the powers of darkness" in them. Does this mean I've been supporting evil? Should I not support BLM? I feel the need to because the movement is so powerful, and speaks to me in volumes, but I don't want to support something that would be considered evil.

Rapture rule #1. If you have doubts then you're not going.

The Tower of Babel was about equality. The leaders were transforming stones (everybody unequal) into bricks (everybody equal.) The mortar that held everything together was materialism. God didn't punish them. He saved them. The push to equality would have destroyed everyone.

Did you know that God doesn't like bricks?

Isaiah 65:3 - A people that provokes me to anger continually to my face; that sacrifices in gardens, and burns incense on altars of brick;

Exodus 20:25 - And if you make Me an altar of stone, you shall not build it of hewn stone; for if you use your tool on it, you have profaned it.

The religion of equality is demonic. That's why the believers (in equality) get along with Muslims so much. Islam is also demonic. They're spiritual buddies.
 
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I know some of you don't believe in the Rapture, and have put out some very good proof for it not existing, but I'm still scared I won't make it. This post has some pretty convincing data for the Rapture:

Disciple Robert

And also underneath the post, I wanted to see what the posters' stance was for the BLM movement. I commented under the username "ghostly". Please look at the comment thread.

He said that the people movements here on Earth have "the powers of darkness" in them. Does this mean I've been supporting evil? Should I not support BLM? I feel the need to because the movement is so powerful, and speaks to me in volumes, but I don't want to support something that would be considered evil.

I seem to recall a group of Pharisees having problems with Jesus because He associated with the lowly, He condemned the oppression of the people by overturning the money-changers tables in the Temple, and then they accused Him and His movement of being the work of the devil.

I would advise against listening to false prophets and teachers.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Rapture rule #1. If you have doubts then you're not going.

The Tower of Babel was about equality. The leaders were transforming stones (everybody unequal) into bricks (everybody equal.) The mortar that held everything together was materialism. God didn't punish them. He saved them. The push to equality would have destroyed everyone.

Did you know that God doesn't like bricks?

Isaiah 65:3 - A people that provokes me to anger continually to my face; that sacrifices in gardens, and burns incense on altars of brick;

Exodus 20:25 - And if you make Me an altar of stone, you shall not build it of hewn stone; for if you use your tool on it, you have profaned it.

The religion of equality is demonic. That's why the believers (in equality) get along with Muslims so much. Islam is also demonic. They're spiritual buddies.

Equality is demonic? Sounds wrong, but ok.
 
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I know some of you don't believe in the Rapture, and have put out some very good proof for it not existing, but I'm still scared I won't make it. This post has some pretty convincing data for the Rapture:

Disciple Robert

And also underneath the post, I wanted to see what the posters' stance was for the BLM movement. I commented under the username "ghostly". Please look at the comment thread.

He said that the people movements here on Earth have "the powers of darkness" in them. Does this mean I've been supporting evil? Should I not support BLM? I feel the need to because the movement is so powerful, and speaks to me in volumes, but I don't want to support something that would be considered evil.
 
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I know some of you don't believe in the Rapture, and have put out some very good proof for it not existing, but I'm still scared I won't make it. This post has some pretty convincing data for the Rapture:

Disciple Robert

And also underneath the post, I wanted to see what the posters' stance was for the BLM movement. I commented under the username "ghostly". Please look at the comment thread.

He said that the people movements here on Earth have "the powers of darkness" in them. Does this mean I've been supporting evil? Should I not support BLM? I feel the need to because the movement is so powerful, and speaks to me in volumes, but I don't want to support something that would be considered evil.

Hey Boxman. I liked your comment. I think that is important to be concerned about making the rapture. The Bible speaks about people that thought they were doing things in "Jesus' name," but he never knew them. I have been practicing having a daily relationship with the Lord. Its easy to become distracted and think of Him in "third party terms" because the world is designed to suppress a relationship with Christ.

Jesus often spoke about the Kingdom of God. My first allegiance is to the Kingdom that He spoke about. Many things are happening in the kingdom of this world. I, personally, think that things are crazier because the anti-Christ attacked the world through the coronavirus and is about to be revealed shortly. It is time to stay focused on Christ and not be seduced by false doctrine, worldly problems, or passions of the flesh.

I am an African-American male and could easily get caught up in everything that is happening. I could throw my educated opinion around and debate peoples' perspectives on society's woes. HOWEVER, I have found that I am better off when I stay focused on the matters of the soon-arriving Kingdom of God. According to the Bible, this earthly kingdom is doomed; Babylon is going to fall. I will love and help people until I am caught up in the air, but I don't believe that humanity (as a whole) has a bright future.
 
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... how come this doesn't happen when a cop kills a white man by mistake? It's happened. It doesn't even get reported.

Whether or not it gets reported in the news is irrelevant (except maybe for raising awareness). What's wrong is that it happens. So, these cases you mention where someone white is killed by a cop. Were they killed because they were white? If not, it's not the same thing.

I've never been pulled over by a cop because I was white. Have you? As I mentioned, I have been pulled over because a cop thought I was black. Further, every male minority I know has been stopped by a cop at least once because of race.

So, the issue is being emphasized because it's something that happens almost exclusively to minorities. It rarely, if ever happens to whites.

And herein lies the problem,,,in my view.
If it were me,,,I'd just do what the cops told me to.
And there still might be trouble due to the prejudice of some cops. If there's a weapon involved there will surely be problems. And "going down without a fight"....I don't agree with that way of thinking at all.

Indeed this is where the problem lies, because you don't get it yet. It's not as if these police stop minorities and ask them politely to pay a parking fine. When they stop them, they move immediately to excessive force without due process. There's no opportunity to "just do what what the cops ask".

Do you know any police officers? I've known several - and here's the thing. They are not a special class of people. They're just people. There are some excellent cops and there are some horrible cops just like there are excellent people and horrible people. The difference, though, is that police have been given the authority to use deadly force, and bad cops frequently use it improperly.

One cop I knew was on a vice squad, and he would talk to me about how he loved it - not because he got to help people or stop crime - but because he loved to fight. He told me straight out he goes into every situation hoping there will be a fight because he loves to bash in people's faces. That's not the kind of guy I think should be a cop.

I understand what the black community is going through,,,as much as could be understood without actually living it,,,,there is a limit to really understanding something.

I'm sure that's true, but from my perspective that's exactly the problem. I'm sure you're a kind, loving Christian, but if you have no experience with this kind of thing, my position is you have 2 choices. 1) You can educate yourself. 2) You can remain silent about things you aren't familiar with.

It seems odd, but recently I've heard several public figures say that a huge problem in the U.S. is that people seem to think they're an expert about everything and have something valuable to say about everything. I respect more those who say, "I've no experience with this."

I'd like for us all to stop seeing color.

I agree with your sentiment 100%. I will clarify by adjusting your phrase to, "I'd like people to stop assuming color is bad." I rather think color is one of the varieties of God's creation worth celebrating. Beauty comes in so many amazing shapes, sizes, and colors.

Personally, "white" is not a facet of my identity. I think of myself as a Christian, engineer, father, KC fan, etc. "White" never enters into it, and that's why I'm part of a mixed family. It has never been an issue for me to form family bonds with anyone. I honestly never think of it. I know them by who they are, not by their race.

I was proud of that until one of my family convinced me that is exactly my problem. It meant I had no sympathy and absolutely no understanding of what types of things happen to people of color in this country. I have learned they were 100% right, because even though it doesn't happen to me, I now have to watch these beloved family members discriminated against on a regular basis.

It happens ALL THE TIME - DAY IN - DAY OUT.

I wish everyone was color blind, but if I want to help solve the problem, I can't let color blindness blind me to the problems of people of color.
 
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Hey Boxman. I liked your comment. I think that is important to be concerned about making the rapture. The Bible speaks about people that thought they were doing things in "Jesus' name," but he never knew them. I have been practicing having a daily relationship with the Lord. Its easy to become distracted and think of Him in "third party terms" because the world is designed to suppress a relationship with Christ.

Jesus often spoke about the Kingdom of God. My first allegiance is to the Kingdom that He spoke about. Many things are happening in the kingdom of this world. I, personally, think that things are crazier because the anti-Christ attacked the world through the coronavirus and is about to be revealed shortly. It is time to stay focused on Christ and not be seduced by false doctrine, worldly problems, or passions of the flesh.

I am an African-American male and could easily get caught up in everything that is happening. I could throw my educated opinion around and debate peoples' perspectives on society's woes. HOWEVER, I have found that I am better off when I stay focused on the matters of the soon-arriving Kingdom of God. According to the Bible, this earthly kingdom is doomed; Babylon is going to fall. I will love and help people until I am caught up in the air, but I don't believe that humanity (as a whole) has a bright future.

How do I practice having a relationship with Him? I pray a lot in my head, but I don't know if I should pray out loud for it to work. Also, what is false doctrine? How do I make sure He knows me and I'm going to Heaven for sure so I don't get tossed into Hell forever? I don't want to go to Hell. It's my biggest fear ever.
 
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How do I practice having a relationship with Him? I pray a lot in my head, but I don't know if I should pray out loud for it to work. Also, what is false doctrine? How do I make sure He knows me and I'm going to Heaven for sure so I don't get tossed into Hell forever? I don't want to go to Hell. It's my biggest fear ever.

Well....Romans 10: 9 states "If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." Led by a group of people, I prayed a prayer similar to this "Dear Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner, and I ask for Your forgiveness. I believe You died for my sins and rose from the dead. I turn from my sins and invite You to come into my heart and life. I want to trust and follow You as my Lord and Savior" (wiki). Our salvation does not depend on our own goodness; it depends on the sacrifice of Jesus. Jesus came and lived a perfect life because God knew that we could not do so. If we seek a relationship with God via the sacrifice that innocent Jesus made, we shall be saved. For me, it just wasn't an intellectual deal. The Holy Spirit started to reveal to me that Jesus was real after I prayed the sinner's prayer. You might have known this information, but I included it just in case.

I commune with God by praying, reading the Bible, listening to sermons, meditating, attending church services, and fellowshipping with other Christians. Another huge thing that I do is listen to good gospel music. When I take time out to praise and fervently worship, Jesus reveals Himself to me by way of the Holy Spirit. I know that He knows me because He communicates with me as I communicate with Him. He also provided my needs and has protected me.

Because I study the Bible, I am able to determine false doctrine. I do this by comparing what the Bible says to what is being presented. Satan has real good preachers though. So I must be diligent to weed out false doctrine. (A tiny bit of poison in a huge glass of water could still possibly kill a person) It sounds like you need a pastor to help guide you. Having someone to support and guide you will take a lot of pressure off of you. The Christian walk is not meant to be lived in isolation. I feel good about my salvation because of what the Bible says and because I participate in a relationship with Christ. The "once saved always saved thing" is a highly debated topic that both parties can back up with Scripture. I think there is even a thread on this forum about it. I will abstain from sharing my viewpoints and let everyone come to conclusions of their own on that topic. God bless as you continue on your journey!

PS I almost forgot to mention that I ask for forgiveness when I commit a sin.
 
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Should we assume you are white?

Yes, all lives matter. No, burning and looting is not the right response. It hurts people who aren't causing the problem we're supposedly trying to fix.

But there is a reason for emphasizing racial justice.

I am also white, but I am part of a mixed family, so not all of my relatives are white. Both I and one of my white children have been pulled over by the police because, based on the car we were driving, they thought we were black. They said that's why they pulled us over - because they thought we were black. When they saw we were white they apologized and let us go with no ticket.

What would it be like for you if you know the police were stopping you just because of your skin color and you didn't know what the police were going to do? Simply because you're black they might decide to use excessive force - severely injure you - possibly kill you.

For that reason, because my non-white relatives are scared witless by all of this, they carry weapons with them. They have said: if the police treat me fairly, fine. If the police come at me, I'm not going down without a fight.

This IS a race problem. I have no idea how to solve it, but don't pretend like it's not there.

Race could be a problem in some cases, but not all. The problem is that the majority of crimes are committed by black people in America,more specifically black men. I know this not just form stuff I have read ,but a pastor I know in my city whom visits the U.S once a year and ministers in prison there , says it's 80% black folks in jail. So the police have a natural distrust of black people because of this. Not that it's right ,but that's the result of it. That's why a white American police officer will give preferential treatment to whites

It's true also in my country ,most of the police officers are like 90% are black and they have a distrust for their own people, since the are they are the main perpetrators of crime and many black people have died at the hands of black police officers ,because of police brutality. So unless we fix the social issues leading black people to commit crime, especially father absentees, children are many times more likely to live a life of crime if they do not have a Father in the house. Poverty ,gansterism and drugs are also factors.

And it will just be a vicious circle until these issues are resolved. I'm in no way calling all black people criminals, I'm actually very concerned about them, they are even in my country being manipulated by politicians to cause racial discrimination against whites and break down free markets so they can bring in socialism and steal as much as they like. In America alike democrats are sowing racial division so they can fulfill their agendas not knowing that those same politicians don't want them to reach their full potential, but to be trapped in poverty and a victim mentality.
 
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Race could be a problem in some cases, but not all. The problem is that the majority of crimes are committed by black people in America.

That is true, but they don't commit more crime because they're black - because something in their DNA predisposes them to crime. They commit more crime due to systemic economic and cultural issues.

Race is a symptomatic indicator of crime, not a causal indicator - if you're familiar with the idea of false causes.

I've used the example of tennis many times. If you were to look at tennis records, you'll see that men overwhelmingly perform better in tennis than women. But it's misleading to conclude the reason is because they're men. The root cause is that the strongest, fastest person with the best hand-eye coordination and quick strategic thinking is the one who wins a tennis game.

If you think they win just because they're men, then you should expect me, a 55 year old male who is unconditioned and has only played tennis occasionally to beat Ashleigh Barty.

If you understand the true root cause that determines who wins tennis, you'll understand Barty would beat me without even breaking a sweat.

So the police have a natural distrust of black people because of this.

I'm not saying it's easy. I've seen the hate thrown at police, and I'm always amazed when they respond with calm detachment. I'm not sure I could do it. In many ways, it's not an even playing field. The police have to follow due process and standard procedure, and many people are willing to do anything and everything. The police who color inside the lines are due our never ending respect.

But that doesn't justify police who decide to do anything and everything.

And it will just be a vicious circle until these issues are resolved.

It will. I don't pretend to know the answer, except to say that the answer is Christ.
 
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I feel the need to because the movement is so powerful....

And just why should that matter? Are you saying powerful movements in the history of all mankind would deserve your support because they were such? I don't need to put down a list of nations to demonstrate my point. So wanting to believe the best of you I'll assume you'd at least give up that one aspect of your argument. If you say some aspects of what they say resonate with you fair enough. Perhaps you could put down what they are....some might agree with you on some things but also point out to you other things that might cause you pause. So tell us what is it you like about the movement? What are the things you're not sure of?
 
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That is true, but they don't commit more crime because they're black - because something in their DNA predisposes them to crime. They commit more crime due to systemic economic and cultural issues.

Race is a symptomatic indicator of crime, not a causal indicator - if you're familiar with the idea of false causes.

I've used the example of tennis many times. If you were to look at tennis records, you'll see that men overwhelmingly perform better in tennis than women. But it's misleading to conclude the reason is because they're men. The root cause is that the strongest, fastest person with the best hand-eye coordination and quick strategic thinking is the one who wins a tennis game.

If you think they win just because they're men, then you should expect me, a 55 year old male who is unconditioned and has only played tennis occasionally to beat Ashleigh Barty.

If you understand the true root cause that determines who wins tennis, you'll understand Barty would beat me without even breaking a sweat.



I'm not saying it's easy. I've seen the hate thrown at police, and I'm always amazed when they respond with calm detachment. I'm not sure I could do it. In many ways, it's not an even playing field. The police have to follow due process and standard procedure, and many people are willing to do anything and everything. The police who color inside the lines are due our never ending respect.

But that doesn't justify police who decide to do anything and everything.



It will. I don't pretend to know the answer, except to say that the answer is Christ.

I agree with you. It's not because they are black ,but because of the social and economic problems they face.It is not in their DNA it's a social problem.

Yes cops who cross the line should be appropriately punished. Christ is the answer yes.

It will take a lot of loving your neighbor despite their issues on both sides. It's the only way to get rid of this hate and unforgiveness that has been going on for far too long.
 
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