{MOVED} Do single women have to cover their hair when prophesying etc in church

Redwingfan9

Well-Known Member
Jul 23, 2019
2,629
1,532
Midwest
✟70,636.00
Country
United States
Faith
Reformed
Marital Status
Married
yes i supose it would. also that would apply in cases like mine when fsather was abusive so had to limit contact with him. i tend to consider myself more under the authority and care of my pastor who is a safe person to be around. though i think the idea of headhsip was protection originally, hence why it was fathers before daughters were married. there were not many situation slike mine in Paul's day- because a child in my situation would be married by her mid teens, so very black and white then....a 38 year old single woman woulod not realistically be expected to move back inwith her family until finding a partner. there were also few women like me who did not want marriage or children. so it is hard to apply this to my own life when i am very much an exception to the rules. even compared with most christian women today my situation is very different.
There were single women back in Biblical times. Especially in times of war when men were off dying. That said, it would have been difficult because women couldn't own property and so they would have needed to learn a trade.
 
Upvote 0

Junia

Well-Known Member
May 17, 2020
2,795
1,387
42
Bristol
✟31,159.00
Country
United Kingdom
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
What does living in a post-feminist society have to do with proper exegesis of a first century pre-feminist society? By bringing our society up you defied demonstrated the very thing you're posting about!

Paul's concern was not the 21st century Church.

Which would be wrong because it wasn't the custom at that time.


The custom of that time for the Jews was to separate the men from the women in worship. The custom of that time for the pagans in Corinth was to mix the sexes in gluttonous feasts and sexualized hedonism. Those are still certainly applicable in today's culture outside the Church.

Yep. I completely agree and commend that statement.

Why then have you brought up 21st century post-feminism?

????? What do you mean by posting about appearances?!? You just got done stating every serious student (implying some are not serious?) of God's word first seeks to discover the meaning and standards and yet here you are appealing to appearances!

The church in Corinth was brand new. Less than 40 years old at best. It did not have a "rich history."

You should be just as critical of Jeremy Gardiner's claims as you are of my post. There's some commendable content in your post, senior pastor, but there's a lot of dross, too. The concept of principle is spot on. Principle should always be applied over letter and we see that repeatedly demonstrated throughout the NT epistolary (such as when the law about not muzzling the ox is applied to the NT-era believer in Christ).

The Greek word for veil is "kalymma." Paul uses the term in his second letter to Corinth in chapter three when discussing the veil Moses wore after meeting with God and the veil that lies over the hearts of those still couched in the old covenant. If Paul was writing about veils - veils that were a common custom of the era - then why didn't he use the word "veil"? Why did he speak of "covering," instead? The term Paul uses in 1 Corinthians 11 is "peribolaiou," a term that can also be translated as "mantle," "cloak," "vesture," "robe," or "wrapping" (G4018). What was the custom of covering related to men and women at that time, senior pastor? What covering would have been a woman's "symbol of authority" in the Corinthian congregation in a congregation of both men and women? What symbol of authority that a female Christian would wear would be related to the angels?

Did you find Gardiner answering any of those questions?

Do you find Gardiner answers WrappedUpinHisLove3's questions?


Yes, i think there are things that don't apply to the Western 21st century churches. very few of us, for example, are worried about food offered to idols , although in parts of world where idols and ritual idol worshipa re still a thing, and christians are saved from those faiths, this is still an issue. but rarely so in the Westm unless a christian is saved from that kind of background and still has a tender conscience around idols. most of us Christians can eat Halal food for example. and so it would be with things like temple prostitutes and womens roles.

we are not livng in the same culture today, yes, principles still apply in some areas but yes, we cannot compare many teachings on women, tithing etc which is why it can get confusing
 
Upvote 0

Josheb

Christian
Site Supporter
Jan 3, 2014
2,197
837
NoVa
✟166,989.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
I don't tithe. some people in my church find t hwlpful tp give the first tenth of their income, and that is fine. others prefer to give as the Lord leads. some of us have to, because one week we have plenty left after bills, other weeks we may find we need shoes or to pay a vet bill. under the new testamnet either is acceptable. it is one of those issues like Sbbath keeping- we don't judge those who do itbut it not mandatory.
I left out a metric: God's provision.

You do what you want. The point of my post is to say God's standard in the NT-era ekklesia was not the tithe. It is not ten percent, it is 100 percent! When Ananias and Sapphira withheld money they were told they were free to do with it as they pleased. They were free to keep or sell their property. What was decried was their deceit. This too applies to the NT standard of giving. Another concern is the life well-lived. Note the times Paul writes of his having offered himself as an example (such as 2 Thes. 3:9-11). The OT tithe went to pay for the priests livelihood and maintenance of the temple/synagogue and other religious accouterments. Paul set a much different example and held out a much different standard (in letter, principle, and practice).


How you doing with this head covering issue?
 
Upvote 0

Junia

Well-Known Member
May 17, 2020
2,795
1,387
42
Bristol
✟31,159.00
Country
United Kingdom
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
There were single women back in Biblical times. Especially in times of war when men were off dying. That said, it would have been difficult because women couldn't own property and so they would have needed to learn a trade.

true and this is my point though. single women TODAY need a trade. we need our homes, to pay rent. to eat etc..... maybe not so much from war (at least in our part of the world) but multiple other reasons eg abuse from parents, conflict with parents, parents cant afford keep their adult children.. yes the concept of becomign an adult and leaving home age 18 may be modern day but nothing about it is sin. anymore than a 14 year old girl being given by her father to her bridegroom in Bible times was sin.
 
Upvote 0

Junia

Well-Known Member
May 17, 2020
2,795
1,387
42
Bristol
✟31,159.00
Country
United Kingdom
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
also sometimes we are born with personality traits like extreme introversion, a need for space and time alone, which means living with family prob not in best interests anyway? that is why there i sno black and white rule in bible forbidding single women fleeing the nest and having a career. it was not the "done thing" so much in Bible times, but it ws not a sin eithe. it is not mentioned int he commandments, which are our laws from God.
 
Upvote 0

Junia

Well-Known Member
May 17, 2020
2,795
1,387
42
Bristol
✟31,159.00
Country
United Kingdom
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
i am not accuisng nayone on this thread of sinning or not being born again, but myself i have a concern that we need to avoid legalism. if we give into legalism are we not at risk of leaving the Narrow Way of Jesus which is salvation in HIM alone. we are not to be lawless, but if we see keeping rules as a means to stay saved then we are slipping off onto the Broad Way.
 
Upvote 0

Josheb

Christian
Site Supporter
Jan 3, 2014
2,197
837
NoVa
✟166,989.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Yes, i think there are things that don't apply to the Western 21st century churches. very few of us, for example, are worried about food offered to idols , although in parts of world where idols and ritual idol worshipa re still a thing, and christians are saved from those faiths, this is still an issue. but rarely so in the Westm unless a christian is saved from that kind of background and still has a tender conscience around idols. most of us Christians can eat Halal food for example. and so it would be with things like temple prostitutes and womens roles.

we are not livng in the same culture today, yes, principles still apply in some areas but yes, we cannot compare many teachings on women, tithing etc which is why it can get confusing
God's precepts and principles are eternal. If that is what senior pastor intended to communicate then I am in complete agreement with him. Much of what the New Testament says about women should best be understood in the context of married women (such as the infamous 1 Timothy 2-3 text). There are principles in the 1 Cor. 11 text that do apply to you and all women, married or single, at least in principle, but the wearing of a hat just because you're in a worship service is not one of them.
 
  • Winner
Reactions: Junia
Upvote 0

SeekingGloryOnThisJourney

Well-Known Member
Apr 13, 2020
497
396
Massachusetts
✟29,918.00
Country
United States
Faith
Eastern Orthodox
Marital Status
Single
Hi i know the Bible says married womena re to cover their heads in church if they are praying or prophesying. what about single women? these days single women are not under male headship as we don't get amrried in our teens straight from living in our father's home. so we are not under headship of our father nor a husband.

so do we need to cover? or not?
Too long/didn’t read
it’s adiaphora. Not necessary to do but a good practice. Since you’re young you don’t have to go all out. I encourage you too but it isn’t a matter of Salvation.
Full:
Ayy someone posted a post i wasn’t brave enough too lol. I’d say it is certainly symbolic and can scream “Christian” without saying other things. It is not a ride or die kinda thing, just a good practice. Depending on your personality, you could for a hat (even if it’s a baseball cap) or a wide/cowl headband. Like this: 76961C46-49A4-4B77-8518-5E927325A9A4.jpegD5BC1622-30DA-4DB2-824B-1E963C6EBEBB.png
You don’t have to cover your hair fully, hair isn’t a sin. The woman washed Jesus’ feet with her hair. So I think it’s okay to show some. It’s the idea of having something on your head that covers a good portion. Once again this isn’t a matter of salvation, (I was scared it was!) and it’s okay if you enjoy living alone. Maybe didn’t marry in the Bible.
 
Upvote 0

Peter J Barban

Well-Known Member
Mar 29, 2016
1,474
973
62
Taiwan
Visit site
✟97,847.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
This is where i struggle a bit. i am involved in prophesy and prayer in my church and yet when i do prophesy i do not feel any sense that my head out to be covered? i have the holy spirit in me and yet i don't personally feel convicted on this issue at all?!

i did try head covering for a short period a few years ago back when i was under legalism and a new believer. i did it because of fear, i felt i ought to do it or else my prayers were not acceptab;e to God. finally i learned about true salvation and it not being by works so i no longer consider this a salvation issue or amajor one but at same time i would not want to disappoint God if He wanted me to cover and yet when I have rpayed on this issue i felt no peace about covering at all?

another thing is, my hair isn't long, and growng it beyond shoulder length difficut as very textured. so if my hair is middle length (i wear in a bob) then perhaps just a hat or even af hairpiece kind of thing would be appropriate?! i must pray on it a little more
The headcovering business is about your outward appearance reflecting your inward attitude. The female headcovering is intended to show inward submission to (male) authority.

Unfortunately, we live in such a rebellious time that female headcovering can actually hurt the faith of others while drawing unnecessary attention to yourself. So refraining from headcovering may actually protect your weaker brothers and sisters.

On the other hand, some people are called to stand out from the times and ways of society.

The most important issue is the inward reality of your submission to authority as revealed in the New Testament.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Gregory Thompson

Change is inevitable, feel free to spare some.
Site Supporter
Dec 20, 2009
28,369
7,745
Canada
✟722,927.00
Country
Canada
Faith
Christian Seeker
Marital Status
Married
From the context, I always took the covering to be long hair, shaving bald was used as contrast even.

Perhaps since it was in corinth the issue wasn't about authority of one over the other, but about women not having a man's haircut? That preference definitely would have carried over from Paul's Jewish roots.
 
Upvote 0

Hawkins

Member
Site Supporter
Apr 27, 2005
2,568
394
Canada
✟238,144.00
Country
Canada
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
1 Cor 11: 2- 5

1 cor 11: 5- 16 especially

It is shown in the 1st verse that it is a tradition.

1 Corinthians 11:2 (NIV2011)
I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the traditions just as I passed them on to you.

Paul instructed for some traditions to be kept. Those traditions are most likely with a Jewish origin. What Paul did is to standardize the practice for churches to be better run. Back then a lot of churches (not necessarily that of Corinth) are a mixture of Jewish and gentile Christians. It is thus a difficult situation, Jewish Christians may wrongly emphasize on something Jewish must be observed in order to be saved. On the other hand, if some Jewish customs are not respected the Jews may be offended and refuse to attend churches.
Paul thus needs to set such a standard such that the Jews can't say that something not biblical needs to be kept by Christians in order to be saved (such as the Jewish food laws), while some Jewish customs need to be kept even by gentile Christians such that the Jews customs are respected to the extent that the Jews won't be offended to leave the churches, including the covering and uncovering of hairs.
It is thus becomes optional especially under the circumstance that if this is enforced then women Christians in today's churches (where no more Jewish Christians insisting on this) may choose to leave the churches.

It is more about a balance in that,

Romans 14:19 (NIV2011)
Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Marumorose

Active Member
Nov 30, 2019
329
321
45
Polokwane
✟37,738.00
Country
South Africa
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Hi i know the Bible says married womena re to cover their heads in church if they are praying or prophesying. what about single women? these days single women are not under male headship as we don't get amrried in our teens straight from living in our father's home. so we are not under headship of our father nor a husband.

so do we need to cover? or not?
Yes we need to cover our heads because we need to respect Jesus Christ who is the head of the church.
Many Blessings
 
  • Friendly
Reactions: Junia
Upvote 0

Oldmantook

Well-Known Member
Jan 10, 2017
3,633
1,526
64
USA
✟99,173.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Let's look at the text.

1 Corinthians 11:1-16
"Be imitators of me, just as I also am of Christ. Now I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold firmly to the traditions, just as I delivered them to you. But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ. Every man who has something on his head while praying or prophesying disgraces his head. But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying disgraces her head, for she is one and the same as the woman whose head is shaved. For if a woman does not cover her head, let her also have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head. For a man ought not to have his head covered, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man; for indeed man was not created for the woman's sake, but woman for the man's sake. Therefore the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels. However, in the Lord, neither is woman independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. For as the woman originates from the man, so also the man has his birth through the woman; and all things originate from God. Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her? For her hair is given to her for a covering. But if one is inclined to be contentious, we have no other practice, nor have the churches of God."

You'll note there are two specified conditions for the coverings: prayer and prophesyiing! Paul makes no mentions of head coverings while singing, or teaching, or preaching, or raising hands, or going to the bathroom or entering the service, or leaving the service, or anything other then the two specified conditions of prayer and prophesying.

Note Paul says, "...let her also have her hair cut off..." if she doesn't cover her head. Does Paul literally want to shave women's heads? Not likely. This is rhetoric. This is literary use of hyperbole. It is highly doubtful a woman who was prophesying without a hat was dragged out of the service to have her head shaved. There's no record of such an occurrence and such a practice would most certainly have led to an early end to the spread of the gospel.

In what context are a man and a woman not independent of one another? Scripture gives us two conditions: 1) the image of God, and 2) marriage. In all other ways men and women live independently, even in the first century. So which is the more likely context for what Paul is writing? Could be either because elsewhere Paul writes explicitly about men and women within the context of marriage but marriage exists within the context of the image of God (Genesis 1:27). Soteriologically speaking, there is neither male nor female in Christ (Galatians 3:28).

Are we to think all women are "head" over all women? I can assure every single man here if he comes to my house and attempts to "head" himself over my wife we'll consider it mercy if he's able to walk out of my house under his own faculties. Nowhere does scripture assert such a hierarchy. So why do we impose such a measure on this passage and ignore its stated contexts?

One last clue: Corinth was a pagan city and it housed temples of Apollos, Poseidon, and most germane to this passage, the temple of Aphrodite. This last temple is important because the Aphrodite cult was a woman-led cult. It didn't have priests, it had priestesses. Females led that religion. Not only was it female-led but like many other pagan cults the worship of these gods involved temple prostitutes. As the gospel converted Aphrodite worshipers women leaders who were used to power and control were converted. This posed a problem for Christian worship for both Jewish and Gentile converts coming from patriarchal povs. We find the same problem arising in Ephesus where the temples of Dionysus and Artemis were central to that city's religious life. These cults were characterized by the institutionalization of behaviors God holds in antithesis to His standards. Orgies and gluttony were acts of worship! This is one of the reasons there were problems with the Lord's supper in Corinth: for the pagan converts this was a feast in which the goal was to gorge oneself to hedonistic and epicurean content (along with the fact the richer classes were able to make it to the Christian services earlier than the working classes).


So what Paul's writing has specified limits, is written with a certain amount of observable rhetoric, has scriptural context that runs through the whole of scripture, not a half a chapter in one book of the Bible, and has cultural context lost on the 21st century reader.
There is not a single reference to "cultural reference" whatsoever in the text. You have eisegeted the text. In 1 Corinthians 11, Paul specifically wrote that the basis for his view on head coverings is the order of creation which is timeless and universal in scope - not cultural.

The head of the man who is praying/prophesying requires that it be uncovered since his head reflects the image/glory of God (v.7). Therefore to cover his head would be to cover up the image and glory of God - which should always be paramount and made manifest. God's glory is never to be put under a cover. However, women are to cover their heads since the woman is the glory of man. When the church composed of men and women gather to pray and prophesy, God's glory is made manifest when the men leave their heads uncovered while the women do the opposite and cover their head since the woman reflects the glory of man (v.7). In the hierarchical scheme of creation, man's glory is always subordinate to God's glory when the church gathers to pray and prophesy. This also serves as a witness and reminder to the angels (v.10). For the woman however, her long hair is her glory (v.15). That is why she is to wear a head covering since her glory must be covered up. V.15 is a contentious verse as some interpret this verse as the basis for claiming that a woman's long hair is her covering. The verse reads:

"But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her, for her hair is given her for a covering."

The word "for" in this verse is from the Greek "anti' (as in antichrist) which means in exchange for or instead of, in place of. Thus I believe the verse should read:
"But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her, for her hair is given her instead of a covering."

Again, since long hair is a woman's glory, she is to wear a head covering to cover up her glory while praying/prophesying in the congregation. The man on the other hand, his head remains uncovered while praying/prophesying in the congregation since his head reflects the glory of God./
 
Last edited:
  • Informative
Reactions: Junia
Upvote 0

Josheb

Christian
Site Supporter
Jan 3, 2014
2,197
837
NoVa
✟166,989.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
There is not a single reference to "cultural reference" whatsoever in the text. You have eisegeted the text.
Fail.

The context is stated at the beginning of the epistle.

1 Corinthians 1:1-3
"Paul, called as an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, to the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."

Were the problems in Corinth identical to the problems found in Ephesus or Galatia? Not according to the epistles to those congregations. Were the people in those congregations identical? Not if the people in the seven churches of Revelation are any indication.

Someone endeavoring to understand what Paul was writing about to the Corinthian congregation examines Corinthian culture and the Corinthian congregations. The same is true of Ephesus or Philippi. We understand this even today because South Korean congregations do not worship God in the exact same manner as Ugandan congregations or those in Alabama.

So that was a very dumb thing to post. Common sense and logic are your friend; try them some time.


Read through the epistles in chronological order if you haven't already done so. Anyone who does this will see the epistolary in a new light. As the gospel moved through the Gentile territory (both geographically and theologically/religiously) it encountered new problems some of which built on previously-existing problems and their solutions. It will also be seen that the needs of one congregation were different from another. The problems of Aphrodite worship did not exist in the Galatians' congregations where the chief problem was Gnosticism.

No eisegesis required.

Really dumb thing to post. Fail.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Josheb

Christian
Site Supporter
Jan 3, 2014
2,197
837
NoVa
✟166,989.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
The head of the man who is praying/prophesying requires that it be uncovered since his head reflects the image/glory of God (v.7).
And yet women are also made in the image of God and bear his glory.
 
  • Winner
Reactions: Paidiske
Upvote 0

Josheb

Christian
Site Supporter
Jan 3, 2014
2,197
837
NoVa
✟166,989.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
God's glory is never to be put under a cover. However, women are to cover their heads since the woman is the glory of man.
Their being the glory of man does not mean they are not also the glory of God. You've just argued a false dichotomy and contradicted yourself. You're also creating another problem because all have sinned and fall short of...... God's glory. Both men and women. In Christ there is no male or female; all are one in Christ...

...unless they are praying or prophesying according to you.


If a woman were walking in the countryside and spontaneously started praying or the Holy Spirit suddenly propmted her to pray was she required to stop first and don a head covering? What if she had none; was she then prohibited from praying?

Reason is supposed to be your friend.
 
Upvote 0

Oldmantook

Well-Known Member
Jan 10, 2017
3,633
1,526
64
USA
✟99,173.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Great.

Let's look at the text.

1 Corinthians 11:1-16
"Be imitators of me, just as I also am of Christ. Now I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold firmly to the traditions, just as I delivered them to you. But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ. Every man who has something on his head while praying or prophesying disgraces his head. But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying disgraces her head, for she is one and the same as the woman whose head is shaved. For if a woman does not cover her head, let her also have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head. For a man ought not to have his head covered, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man; for indeed man was not created for the woman's sake, but woman for the man's sake. Therefore the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels. However, in the Lord, neither is woman independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. For as the woman originates from the man, so also the man has his birth through the woman; and all things originate from God. Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her? For her hair is given to her for a covering. But if one is inclined to be contentious, we have no other practice, nor have the churches of God."

You'll note there are two specified conditions for the coverings: prayer and prophesyiing! Paul makes no mentions of head coverings while singing, or teaching, or preaching, or raising hands, or going to the bathroom or entering the service, or leaving the service, or anything other then the two specified conditions of prayer and prophesying.

Note Paul says, "...let her also have her hair cut off..." if she doesn't cover her head. Does Paul literally want to shave women's heads? Not likely. This is rhetoric. This is literary use of hyperbole. It is highly doubtful a woman who was prophesying without a hat was dragged out of the service to have her head shaved. There's no record of such an occurrence and such a practice would most certainly have led to an early end to the spread of the gospel.

In what context are a man and a woman not independent of one another? Scripture gives us two conditions: 1) the image of God, and 2) marriage. In all other ways men and women live independently, even in the first century. So which is the more likely context for what Paul is writing? Could be either because elsewhere Paul writes explicitly about men and women within the context of marriage but marriage exists within the context of the image of God (Genesis 1:27). Soteriologically speaking, there is neither male nor female in Christ (Galatians 3:28).

Are we to think all women are "head" over all women? I can assure every single man here if he comes to my house and attempts to "head" himself over my wife we'll consider it mercy if he's able to walk out of my house under his own faculties. Nowhere does scripture assert such a hierarchy. So why do we impose such a measure on this passage and ignore its stated contexts?

One last clue: Corinth was a pagan city and it housed temples of Apollos, Poseidon, and most germane to this passage, the temple of Aphrodite. This last temple is important because the Aphrodite cult was a woman-led cult. It didn't have priests, it had priestesses. Females led that religion. Not only was it female-led but like many other pagan cults the worship of these gods involved temple prostitutes. As the gospel converted Aphrodite worshipers women leaders who were used to power and control were converted. This posed a problem for Christian worship for both Jewish and Gentile converts coming from patriarchal povs. We find the same problem arising in Ephesus where the temples of Dionysus and Artemis were central to that city's religious life. These cults were characterized by the institutionalization of behaviors God holds in antithesis to His standards. Orgies and gluttony were acts of worship! This is one of the reasons there were problems with the Lord's supper in Corinth: for the pagan converts this was a feast in which the goal was to gorge oneself to hedonistic and epicurean content (along with the fact the richer classes were able to make it to the Christian services earlier than the working classes).


So what Paul's writing has specified limits, is written with a certain amount of observable rhetoric, has scriptural context that runs through the whole of scripture, not a half a chapter in one book of the Bible, and has cultural context lost on the 21st century reader.
Fail.

The context is stated at the beginning of the epistle.

1 Corinthians 1:1-3
"Paul, called as an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, to the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."

Were the problems in Corinth identical to the problems found in Ephesus or Galatia? Not according to the epistles to those congregations. Were the people in those congregations identical? Not if the people in the seven churches of Revelation are any indication.

Someone endeavoring to understand what Paul was writing about to the Corinthian congregation examines Corinthian culture and the Corinthian congregations. The same is true of Ephesus or Philippi. We understand this even today because South Korean congregations do not worship God in the exact same manner as Ugandan congregations or those in Alabama.

So that was a very dumb thing to post. Common sense and logic are your friend; try them some time.


Read through the epistles in chronological order if you haven't already done so. Anyone who does this will see the epistolary in a new light. As the gospel moved through the Gentile territory (both geographically and theologically/religiously) it encountered new problems some of which built on previously-existing problems and their solutions. It will also be seen that the needs of one congregation were different from another. The problems of Aphrodite worship did not exist in the Galatians' congregations where the chief problem was Gnosticism.

No eisegesis required.

Really dumb thing to post. Fail.
Fail. Paul wrote to the church in Corinth about the things in chapt. 11.
 
Upvote 0

Josheb

Christian
Site Supporter
Jan 3, 2014
2,197
837
NoVa
✟166,989.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
When the church composed of men and women gather to pray and prophesy, God's glory is made manifest when the men leave their heads uncovered while the women do the opposite and cover their head since the woman reflects the glory of man (v.7).
Fail.

All verse 7 states is, "For a man ought not to have his head covered, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man." It does not say, "God's glory is made manifest when the men leave their heads uncovered while the women do the opposite..." You've just eisegeted scripture. So don't accuse me of eisegesis and then do the same yourself.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums