My viral tweet on how Jesus freed me from homosexuality

FireDragon76 said:

The only reason abusive religious groups promote this harmful narrative is because they don't feel obligated to pick up the pieces of the lives they have destroyed.

Look, how you identify in terms of your sexual orientation or who you have sex with is ultimately up to you and none of my business. But when you denigrate the sexual orientations of other people and equate it with a lifestyle choice, then it is something that we have a right to object to.

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Christians believe homosexuality displeases God, so obviously they are going to talk against it.
And if its true that homosexuality displeases God, then the harmful part belongs to the sin of homosexuality.

You can be sure some christians are pretty sure of what they believe and that God is true, they can defend this to the death with very strong convictions, because God himself has done things to us. And the Holy spirit is someone very real to a lot of people.

NBB said:

Christians believe homosexuality displeases God, so obviously they are going to talk against it.
And if its true that homosexuality displeases God, then the harmful part belongs to the sin of homosexuality.

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No, we first need to prove that it is moral to obey God. Socrates' Euthyphro dilema skewers that.

FireDragon76 said:

No, we first need to prove that it is moral to obey God. Socrates' Euthyphro dilema skewers that.

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If you experience the Holy spirit, you would have proof that God exists and is very good, with that kind of information you can make some 'guesses' about our world, also the Holy spirit teaches people a lot about morals.

So for the christians that experienced God, God is 100% true, so obviously they are going to talk about a sin that separates people from God!. Also the bible talks that is a very bad thing to do to call something good when it is bad. This is almost horror stuff for some christians.

FireDragon76 said:

Do you really want to go there?

A collection of texts of diverse origins based on an amalgam of a plethora of different religious and folk traditions, cobbled together for political purposes, is an "owners manual" that can tell men and women far removed from the bronze and iron age context of the original texts, how to live?

This goes back to what I said on another thread, Christians too often choose a strange hill to die on in the name of defending an issue that isn't even central to the Christian message.

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Holiness and purity, free from immorality is certainly the central message to Christianity.


He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death. Revelation 21:7-8



Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.
Revelation 22:14-15




JLB

createdtoworship said:

can you summarize the video. I know I posted one, but I have a policy not to watch video's or read links. See it may seem hypocritical, but I am debating about six people at once. Most who are debating me, have one or two they are debating, and/or have all day they can debate. I don't have all day. So I typically don't have time to fact check everyone's links. I do make an extra effort for peer reviews however, but I presume you don't have any.

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Summary: Ex gay is a myth, conversion therapy does massive harm.

I am not going to bother bombarding you with study after study proving you wrong because I know you long enough to recognize a lost cause when I see one. Your religious indoctrination prevents you from admitting you are wrong.

createdtoworship said:

Thanks for telling my how I should view my sexuality. I am an ex gay.

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No you are either lying or a bisexual who is more interested in women than men.

There are no ex gays.

Skreeper said:

No you are either lying or a bisexual who is more interested in women than men.

There are no ex gays.

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That seems like a hard stance to have, why straight people can become gay, but gays can't become straight?

NBB said:

That seems like a hard stance to have, why straight people can become gay, but gays can't become straight?

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Straight people can't become gay and gay people can't become straight.

If at one point you were interested in the same sex and currently you are interested in the opposite sex that's called being bisexual.

Skreeper said:

Summary: Ex gay is a myth, conversion therapy does massive harm.

I am not going to bother bombarding you with study after study proving you wrong because I know you long enough to recognize a lost cause when I see one. Your religious indoctrination prevents you from admitting you are wrong.

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I know God... so much for being indoctrinated experiencing things from Him right?. I am being indoctrinated by believing in a God that is actually real, figures.

JLB777 said:

Holiness and purity, free from immorality is certainly the central message to Christianity.

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It certainly is not. Jesus taught obedience, not holiness. There’s a difference. Purity and holiness were the ideals of the Pharisees. Purity is your accomplishment. People work to achieve it, and are worried about doing questionable things, even if they might help someone, because it might make them impure.

That's the real meaning of the parable of the good Samaritan. "passed by on the other side. Luke uses a rare doubly compounded vb., anti-parerchesthai, another sense of which is found in Wis 16:10. The implication of his passing by is to avoid contamination by contact with or proximity to a dead body." (commentary on Luke in the Anchor Bible) The problem with the priest and Levite wasn't that they were hard-hearted, but that their purity requirements kept them from becoming involved with the victim.

Obedience looks only to Jesus and to the good of our neighbor. It doesn’t imagine that in doing that we achieve anything for ourselves. We don’t become “holy” that way.

“So you also, when you have done all that you were ordered to do, say, ‘We are worthless slaves; we have done only what we ought to have done!’ ” (Luke 17:10)

Furthermore, improving morals was never Jesus’ goal. Jewish morals were already if anything too strict. His goal was to reconcile us to God and to each other, because he knew that in the end behavior that really furthers the ends of the Kingdom comes from grateful people who are forgiven, not people who are afraid of becoming impure.

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I should note that Paul had a different problem. He was dealing with converts from a Roman culture whose morals were actually a problem. So he did have to do some moral teaching. But he didn't lose track of the fact that it was the presence of the Holy Spirit that really characterized the Christian life, not morals.

hedrick said:

It certainly is not. Jesus taught obedience, not holiness. There’s a difference. Purity and holiness were the ideals of the Pharisees. Purity is your accomplishment. People work to achieve it, and are worried about doing questionable things, even if they might help someone, because it might make them impure.

That's the real meaning of the parable of the good Samaritan. "passed by on the other side. Luke uses a rare doubly compounded vb., anti-parerchesthai, another sense of which is found in Wis 16:10. The implication of his passing by is to avoid contamination by contact with or proximity to a dead body." (commentary on Luke in the Anchor Bible) The problem with the priest and Levite wasn't that they were hard-hearted, but that their purity requirements kept them from becoming involved with the victim.

Obedience looks only to Jesus and to the good of our neighbor. It doesn’t imagine that in doing that we achieve anything for ourselves. We don’t become “holy” that way.

“So you also, when you have done all that you were ordered to do, say, ‘We are worthless slaves; we have done only what we ought to have done!’ ” “ (Luke 17:10)

Furthermore, improving morals was never Jesus’ goal. His goal was to reconcile us to God and to each other, because he knew that in the end behavior that really furthers the ends of the Kingdom comes from grateful people who are forgiven, not people who are afraid of becoming impure.

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The goal of reconciliation to God was due to immortality, unrighteousness, and sin.


Those who live immoral will not inherit the kingdom of God.


We obey Jesus’s commandments which are the way of righteous living and love, in His kingdom.


He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4


For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3


Jesus warned us that we must remain in Him.


If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6


Here’s how we are instructed to remain “in Christ”.



Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24



Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.
Revelation 22:14-15



JLB

NBB said:

I know God... so much for being indoctrinated experiencing things from Him right?. I am being indoctrinated by believing in a God that is actually real, figures.

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You believe that you know God. And that is fine.

Billions of other people also 'know' God and somehow God seems to change depending on who you ask.

I don't care either way until this God convinces me he exists.

createdtoworship said:

I literally have no homosexual thoughts, I literally had sexual homosexual thoughts 11 years ago. They are gone. That does not fit any of your pre canned ideas. The only option was my sexual preference changed twice. I have posted videos of about a dozen people like me protesting in washington, I have posted other videos here of at least two other testimonies of former gays sharing how they too are like me. Now again they could be lying. But all of them? And what about me? I am lying to myself? Just so that I can be saved? Thats not how it works, if I had homosexual thoughts still I would just work on it slowly and repent seek godly counsel, maybe read some books on former gays testimonies and what they did. But I don't have that problem because I dont even think about it. I am not even tempted. But again you cannot accept this because you are either gay yourself or you know some who are, and you don't want to take the responsibility for your homosexual actions. That is fine. Those sins will be judged one day. They are not sins against me, I don't care. They are sins against God and HE is the one you will answer to.

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I am gay yes. That's why I am fighting these ideas you spread with any means necessary as I know the damage they can do if they go unopposed.

My sins won't be judged by a God, only by people. I think I am doing alright so far.

createdtoworship said:

I shared this earlier. Someone told me they would rather burn in hell than be forbidden to love who they choose to love, in their case a homosexual. Ok next time you are barbecuing some steak grab the grill, for 30 seconds. Let it sizzle for awhile. Sure you get 3rd degree burns, some blistering. I told the lady, if you can't handle a few seconds of burn. Why are you not afraid of an eternity of your whole body burning?

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Why would I be afraid of imaginary things?

Moreover, I am not so easily coerced by threats of torture especially if it concerns people I love. I would not give up my love that I have for my boyfriend even if it meant having to endure eternal torture.