American Farmers Being Ordered To Depopulate Livestock And Destroy Crops

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People have short term memories. I don't expect this pandemic to have a long-lasting impact on society.

I expect a recession that could last years in the US, especially if Trump is re-elected. He doesn't seem like he's capable of managing a real crisis. There's no sense of real empathy or gravitas in his words or actions.
 
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The biggest problem I have with most regulation is there practicality as a worker. On day one, you are sat down and shown all these safety videos to properly handle equipment. All the do's and don'ts of performing your job.... you quickly learn as an employee however, if you follow all the guidelines you will not meet your quota or performance requirements, and lose your job. If you get hurt by not following the guidelines, you lose your job. And there is always someone else to fill your position if you do not perform.

So you learn to cut corners without getting hurt, or you do not report injuries.

That sounds like an argument for an employee union.
 
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Destroying excess agricultural product does not gut out ability to produce more.

It makes it considerably difficult for some time. You're dumping huge amounts of product and suffering a huge loss. Then you have to grow it back.

More risk due to hamfisted state governors
 
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Trump is dealing with this. Trump didn't shut the country down. This was all on the states. They made choices on how to handle their own states.

I am a Trump supporter, but this has me livid. I do not agree with this completely flagrant violation of our civil liberties. I don't care who is in office. This is ridiculous.

And I am not joking. He better convince me before he thinks he is getting my vote. I will oppose him with every fiber of my being if this continues down this martial law dystopia path.

I will not honor a President over the US Constitution no matter how I feel about them.

Trump recommends things like reopening the economy and the left goes berserk. He didn't close it nor will he open it. Each state has to decide on their own. In fact Trump is now ordering meat processing to stay open. So when he sees the necessity he acts.

I get that. I do not fault Trump for what has happened. I will fault him if this is allowed to continue.

I have been saying this for a while. This shutdown is going to cause huge problems. Bigger than we imagined. So these states need to get in gear and start opening stuff up.

I agree, and as Americans we can walk right out our front doors and get to work. We do not need our blessed Presidents permission. Or our governments.
 
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The reason I am even trying to bring this to light is there is no way we can remain closed until all covid-19 risk is gone. We are going to have to learn to deal with this virus to survive.


CBS 2's Jim Williams reports on a possible food shortage as meat processing plants close because of COVID-19 concerns.


'The food chain is breaking': COVID-19 created meat packing concerns
 
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We have a problem in human behavior: given a choice, people will buy the least expensive product, whether it's produced in the US or China, no matter how the employees are treated. First, there's no real way to know where the whole production chain is and what company policies are. Second, I don't think in the end most people care enough to affect their buying decisions. I can understand that, particularly since many people don't exactly have money to spare.

The only practical way to protect workers is to have regulations and inspections. That way all the vendors are on an even playing field, and we don't have a spiral to the bottom. But there are all kinds of political problems with doing that, ranging from companies paying politicians to ideological objections to the government doing that.
I think the government already had the authority to inspect and demand changes at meat processing plants. That authority is OSHA.

U.S. Department of Labor's OSHA and CDC Issue Interim Guidance
To Protect Workers in Meatpacking and Processing Industries

U.S. Department of Labor’s OSHA and CDC Issue Interim Guidance To Protect Workers in Meatpacking and Processing Industries | Occupational Safety and Health Administration
 
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If you can't sell your current crop, you can't afford seed or fuel to plant a new crop

Which would be the end of some businesses but their assets would be acquired by those with deeper pockets rather then be left to rust and grow weeds.
 
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We aren't in sweden or any other country. Even if you do not agree with our system, we still have to feed ourselves.
The bottom line is, that if food is being destroyed while people go hungry then our "system" has failed.
 
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The bottom line is, that if food is being destroyed while people go hungry then our "system" has failed.

That is true. Question is how long do we allow ourselves to fall before we open back up to repair?
 
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Which would be the end of some businesses but their assets would be acquired by those with deeper pockets rather then be left to rust and grow weeds.
And the rich get richer while the poor lose out.
 
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That is true. Question is how long do we allow ourselves to fall before we open back up to repair?
Why is "opening up" the only solution? That is just backing away from a problem our system is unable to solve and putting lives at risk unnecessarily into the bargain..
 
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That is true. Question is how long do we allow ourselves to fall before we open back up to repair?
The meat supply is there. Ranchers aren't plowing under their cattle. The problem is the meat processing plants not protecting their workers with N95 masks, gloves, and social distancing.
Wiki lists the plants that have had to temporarily shut down until they clean things up and make changes.
Opening restaurants, etc. wouldn't change these facts.
Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic on the meat industry in the United States - Wikipedia

In your first video, the rancher is especially angry because they are talking about eliminating animals from rancher's herds while at the same time importing beef from Nambia.
The Nambia deal has been in the works for 20 years and I want to know why they had to accept the deal starting now. This doesn't seem to be the time to be undercutting our ranchers. Maybe Trump doesn't see ranching as a real business that employs workers?
 
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Why is "opening up" the only solution? That is just backing away from a problem our system is unable to solve and putting lives at risk unnecessarily into the bargain..

Because it is the only way this is going to go down, and you need to understand that. Americans are only going to go along with this nonsense for so long. We do not need to destroy our country by violating our constitution, and civil rights to address this situation. We can work thru this. But we cannot starve our people, and completely bankrupt hundreds of millions over this. This lockdown is neither sustainable nor feasible. It will kill us quicker than the virus.

What are we going to do? There is every reasonable suspicion that this virus is going nowhere. There will be another seasonal outbreak next year. And the year after that... so on... Do we shut down the nation every year and restart in the summer?
 
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And the rich get richer while the poor lose out.
...and small or midsize operations with large reserves or who just scrape by become larger to fill the returning demand.
 
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The Nambia deal has been in the works for 20 years and I want to know why they had to accept the deal starting now. This doesn't seem to be the time to be undercutting our ranchers. Maybe Trump doesn't see ranching as a real business that employs workers?

I realy do not know. And it is bothersome. It is something I am definitely looking into.
 
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Because it is the only way this is going to go down, and you need to understand that. Americans are only going to go along with this nonsense for so long. We do not need to destroy our country by violating our constitution, and civil rights to address this situation. We can work thru this. But we cannot starve our people, and completely bankrupt hundreds of millions over this. This lockdown is neither sustainable nor feasible. It will kill us quicker than the virus.

What are we going to do? There is every reasonable suspicion that this virus is going nowhere. There will be another seasonal outbreak next year. And the year after that... so on... Do we shut down the nation every year and restart in the summer?
No, we change our "system" so that the food which is being produced can get to the people who are hungry--even when some of them are out of work for an extended period through no fault of their own. At the present time, some degree of social distancing is the best strategy we have for limiting the course of the pandemic. No one's constitutional rights need be violated. Support for voluntary social distancing is quite strong; it would be even stronger if those who are temporarily out of work knew they wouldn't be allowed to starve while food was being destroyed because of "the system."
 
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What are we going to do? There is every reasonable suspicion that this virus is going nowhere. There will be another seasonal outbreak next year. And the year after that... so on... Do we shut down the nation every year and restart in the summer?

As long as there aren't at least two weeks of new declining COVID-19 cases... yes.

The economy is not Wall Street, it's made of people. You can't have a healthy economy if you have alot of scared, sick, injured and dying people. It's shortsighted to ignore science in favor of wishful thinking on this matter.
 
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