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Them of the prior times to the great tribulation, who had been martyred down through the centuries - are there in heaven, but not as that group in the fifth seal, but as part of the rapture/resurrected saints which takes place before the shattering of "peace and safety", beginning the Day of the Lord in 1Thessalonians5:1-11.Keras, I did not add to the scriptures. I copied and pasted from the KJV. Perhaps because you use another translation - you may not be familiar with the text of the KJV.
Them of the prior times to the great tribulation, who had been martyred down through the centuries - are there in heaven, but not as that group in the fifth seal, but as part of the rapture/resurrected saints which takes place before the shattering of "peace and safety", beginning the Day of the Lord in 1Thessalonians5:1-11.
Again, the text of Revelation 20:4-6 do not say anything about the martyres great tribulation souls being brought back with Jesus.
Jesus will have already returned, with his armies of heaven, and the beast and false prophet cast into the lake of fire; and Satan bound in chains and cast into the bottomless.
Them in Revelation 20:4-6, their souls are gathered from heaven, for the first resurrection, by the angels.
Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
1Thessalonians4:15-18 indicates that the dead in Christ (Christians who had died up to that point) will be resurrected; and the living translated, and meet Jesus in the air, to be with him forever.
In 1Thessalonians5:1-11, the text indicates that the rapture/resurrection must take place before the shattering of "peace and safety" the beginning of the Day of Lord.
As far as souls ago, a person is born again once they believe upon Jesus for their salvation.
Furthermore,
Matthew 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
Again, the text of Revelation 20:4-6 do not say anything about the martyres great tribulation souls being brought back with Jesus.
Sorry, Douggg, but you are mistaken here. The souls under the altar are most certainly church age martyrs. Seals one through 5 are ALL church age timing. Again your theory fails because you don't trust John's chronology.
The church is right now, and has been since the early church, waiting at the 5th seal for the final martyr of the church age.
Have you not noticed that the very next event is the start of the Day of the Lord and that is the first event John mentions that is FUTURE to us today. Paul's rapture will be the first event of the Day of the Lord. Paul's "Sudden destruction" will be that earthquake at the 6th seal - caused when God brings together the particles of millions upon millions of the bodies of the saints who have passed. The rapture, pretrib, will be the trigger for the start of the Day. It will be church age - and in the next instant Day of the Lord. You really must learn to trust John's chronology as written.
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