Church leaders holding services in defiance of lawful orders to do otherwise is...

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The actual test of faith is our response in kindness and compassion to those most affected by this current plague. How do we care for those who have contracted the disease and for their families?

The actual test of faith of a Christian is to obey God. When Shadrac Meshac and Abednigo were commanded to no longer worship God, they immediately succumbed right? 'Oh, if the government says we can't, then we can't.'
 
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The actual test of faith of a Christian is to obey God. When Shadrac Meshac and Abednigo were commanded to no longer worship God, they immediately succumbed right? 'Oh, if the government says we can't, then we can't.'
But no one has said we cannot or ought not worship God.
 
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That's exactly what they are saying. God commands us to gather together to worship.
No, they're not saying that. They are making it impossible to worship in the normal way.

It is good to avoid overdramatizing by our choice of words when we refer to this problem that has developed in the wake of the virus.
 
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That's exactly what they are saying. God commands us to gather together to worship.
It is written, you shall not put God to the test. Why are we testing God by putting people and ourselves at risk?
 
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It is written, you shall not put God to the test. Why are we testing God by putting people and ourselves at risk?

24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Healthy people gathering to worship is not risky. Sick people should stay away from church gatherings.
 
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No, they're not saying that. They are making it impossible to worship in the normal way.

They have no authority to do that. But the "normal way" is what God commanded.

29 But Peter and the other apostles replied, “We must obey God rather than men."
 
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24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Healthy people gathering to worship is not risky. Sick people should stay away from church gatherings.
You can have little or no symptoms and still spread the virus. So we actually don't know who is healthy and who is not.
 
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24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Healthy people gathering to worship is not risky. Sick people should stay away from church gatherings.

You're contradicting every piece of advice regarding COVID-19. If people are in close proximity to one another during this dangerous time, Christian or not, the virus WILL spread and people WILL die.

Hebrews 10:24-25 (complete, not taken out of context): "And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching."

We are not spurring one another on toward love and good deeds by infecting others with a DEADLY virus. That is NOT God's will.

1 Peter 5:2a: "Be shepherds of God's flock that is under your care, watching over them--not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be"
 
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You're contradicting every piece of advice regarding COVID-19. If people are in close proximity to one another during this dangerous time, Christian or not, the virus WILL spread and people WILL die.

So people who don't have the virus will infect people? Neat trick that.
 
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The actual test of faith of a Christian is to obey God. When Shadrac Meshac and Abednigo were commanded to no longer worship God, they immediately succumbed right? 'Oh, if the government says we can't, then we can't.'

Where has the government said not to worship? They have not. They said to do it responsibly, on the internet. Get together that way. This is not a Meshack and Abednego ordeal!! We are not told to worship a false God, we are told to worship our God in a way to not make anyone sick, and possibly die!
In Israel, the ones hit the hardest are the Orthodox---they are so withdrawn from society that they weren't really aware of the danger or even what was happening and kept getting together. Then they started getting sick and dyeing. Now they understand, but a bit late. Many have died. This is no test of faith but is a health issue. Go right ahead and get together---but don't snivel when you start getting sick and dyeing! You will be guilty of premeditated murder, plain and simple!
 
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It is in accordance with scripture. While quarantine for illness/communicable diseases is in the Bible, there is no instance of quarantining those who are healthy, only quarantine for those who are ill.

Second, there is no ungathered church. The word in the Bible is ecclesia, which means congregation, in both old and new testaments... therefore without the physical church there is no church...

It doesn't have to be a building it can be smaller groups but key is gathering together for teaching, edification, support (emotional and otherwise) etc

People who propose internet streaming a pastor while your alone in your home are proposing abolishing the church itself...

There's no reason that "gathering" can't consist of getting together in some internet chat forum. I'd argue that the bulk of the regular Protestant church service is rather solitary, anyways. There's nothing particularly communal about sitting in a chair listening to a lecture for 30+ minutes, even if you are in a room with a bunch of other people.

There are still no cases of coronavirus in my county, not one.

You sure about that?
Coronavirus in Virginia: Map and Case Count

On the map, I see 10 counties for which that's true, all of which are small and rural and all of which have cases in neighboring counties. Unless you guys don't even travel to neighboring counties, I don't see what difference some sort of arbitrary political boundary makes.


The secular government has decided that liquor is essential and worshiping God is not. That is a bit worrisome to me. My church voluntarily decided to not hold regular services because of the pandemic before the government decided to outlaw them. I agree with our church's decision but find the government's action in favoring the consumption of alcohol over the worship of God to be despicable.

Without defending the status of liquor stores, even the largest and busiest liquor store doesn't have as many people in close proximity for as long as what's found in a typical small church. The threat posed by them isn't comparable.
 
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Your ignorance is showing----you can be totally without symptoms and be a carrier!!!

No, that has not been established. There have been some hysterical articles that suggest this is so but it is not established through study. The opposite is true which is why South Korea did not quarantine their whole population and was able to get the thing under control. Stop preaching hysteria.
 
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There's no reason that "gathering" can't consist of getting together in some internet chat forum. I'd argue that the bulk of the regular Protestant church service is rather solitary, anyways. There's nothing particularly communal about sitting in a chair listening to a lecture for 30+ minutes, even if you are in a room with a bunch of other people.



You sure about that?
Coronavirus in Virginia: Map and Case Count

On the map, I see 10 counties for which that's true, all of which are small and rural and all of which have cases in neighboring counties. Unless you guys don't even travel to neighboring counties, I don't see what difference some sort of arbitrary political boundary makes.




Without defending the status of liquor stores, even the largest and busiest liquor store doesn't have as many people in close proximity for as long as what's found in a typical small church. The threat posed by them isn't comparable.

plus that doesn't show how many have covid, just how many had it 1-14 days ago.
 
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No, that has not been established. There have been some hysterical articles that suggest this is so but it is not established through study. The opposite is true which is why South Korea did not quarantine their whole population and was able to get the thing under control. Stop preaching hysteria.

stop lyng about south korea, they did it by testing everyone and quarantining those that were sick, the us can't do that.
 
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No, that has not been established. There have been some hysterical articles that suggest this is so but it is not established through study. The opposite is true which is why South Korea did not quarantine their whole population and was able to get the thing under control. Stop preaching hysteria.

Also it's sad you don't catch the irony of using south korea where a mega church was responsible for 80% of the cases in the country.
 
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