THE TRUE "REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY/SUPERSESSIONISM" OF THE BIBLE

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Awaiting your instances of Paul's literal temple.
Other people can read and understand the two prophesies I presented. 2 Thess 2:4 and Rev 11:1 Why not you?
But I do realize that all who choose to believe false theories will be locked into them and made incapable of understanding the truth. Isaiah 29:9-12, 1 Corinthians :18-19
 
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You failed to answer the question, so here it is again:

Since Scripture interprets Scripture, in what instances does Paul refer to a literal temple?

Note the "s" at the end of "instances".

That "s" means that there need to be a least two instances where Paul refers to a literal temple, so that either instance can interpret the other.

What are those (at least two) instances?


No, it does not take more than one instance. The context speaks for itself and interprets itself and is sufficient, but for a further basis for this rendering, read Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14. The AOD of which they speak and the Man of Sin are clearly tied together and are depicted as being located in a literal Temple.
 
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No, it does not take more than one instance. The context speaks for itself and interprets itself and is sufficient, but for a further basis for this rendering, read Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14. The AOD of which they speak and the Man of Sin are clearly tied together and are depicted as being located in a literal Temple.

So you obviously don't believe that Scripture interprets Scripture.

Paul didn't write Matthew 24:15 or Mark 13:14.

But he did write 1 Corinthians 3:16,17; 6:19; 2 Corinthians 6:16; and Ephesians 2:21.

All of which interpret 2 Thessalonians 2:4.

As the spiritual temple of the believer, collectively, the Church.
 
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Other people can read and understand the two prophesies I presented. 2 Thess 2:4 and Rev 11:1 Why not you?
But I do realize that all who choose to believe false theories will be locked into them and made incapable of understanding the truth. Isaiah 29:9-12, 1 Corinthians :18-19

So you obviously don't believe that Scripture interprets Scripture.

Paul wrote 1 Corinthians 3:16,17; 6:19; 2 Corinthians 6:16; and Ephesians 2:21.

All of which interpret 2 Thessalonians 2:4.

As the spiritual temple of the believer, collectively, the Church.
 
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So you obviously don't believe that Scripture interprets Scripture.

Paul didn't write Matthew 24:15 or Mark 13:14.

But he did write 1 Corinthians 3:16,17; 6:19; 2 Corinthians 6:16; and Ephesians 2:21.

All of which interpret 2 Thessalonians 2:4.

As the spiritual temple of the believer, collectively, the Church.


You are not interpreting scripture with relating passages. I am. You are attempting to interpret 2 Thessalonians 2:4 with passages that have nothing to do with the subject matter of that passage.
 
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So you obviously don't believe that Scripture interprets Scripture.

Paul wrote 1 Corinthians 3:16,17; 6:19; 2 Corinthians 6:16; and Ephesians 2:21.

All of which interpret 2 Thessalonians 2:4.

As the spiritual temple of the believer, collectively, the Church.
That the Church is the Temple of God during this Church age is a given.
This truth does not preclude another Temple being built in Jerusalem, as many prophesies tell us.
Re 2 Thess 2:4. The person referred to as the Anti-Christ, the one who will persecute the saints, as per Revelation 13:7 and Daniel 7:25, is a physical man.
How can he sit in the spiritual Temple, who are the Christian peoples?
 
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You are not interpreting scripture with relating passages. I am. You are attempting to interpret 2 Thessalonians 2:4 with passages that have nothing to do with the subject matter of that passage.

Your definition of "relating" does not match Paul's definition of relating.

I am interpreting nothing myself. I am merely citing Paul's own interpretation.

You refuse Paul his right to interpret his own Scripture, because his interpretation exposes the fallacy of yours.

Paul is eminently qualified to be his own interpreter.
 
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That the Church is the Temple of God during this Church age is a given.
This truth does not preclude another Temple being built in Jerusalem, as many prophesies tell us.
Re 2 Thess 2:4. The person referred to as the Anti-Christ, the one who will persecute the saints, as per Revelation 13:7 and Daniel 7:25, is a physical man.
How can he sit in the spiritual Temple, who are the Christian peoples?

He sits in the spiritual temple of the Church as one who has usurped and arrogated spiritual authority which belongs to Christ, the spiritual Head of the Church, alone.

The Reformers recognized him in the apostate papacy, based in part on the following declarations:

Pius X: "The Pope...is Jesus Christ Himself, hidden under the veil of flesh."

Pius XI: "You know that I am the Holy Father, the representative of God on the earth, the Vicar of Christ, which means that I am God on the earth."

Pius IX was described as "the living Christ", and "the Lamb of the Vatican".

The Canon Law in the Gloss on the Extravaganza of John XXII, AD 1316-1334, calls the Roman pontiff "Our Lord God the Pope."

Martin V was addressed as: "The most holy and most blessed, who holds the celestial jurisdiction, who is Lord over all the earth...the anointed...the ruler of the universe, the father of kings, the Light of the World."

During the Vatican Council, 9 January 1870, it was stated: "The Pope is Christ in office, Christ in jurisdiction and power...we bow down before thy voice, O Pius, as before the voice of Christ, the God of truth; in clinging to thee, we cling to Christ."

Cardinal Henry Edward Manning said: "He [the Roman pope] was elevated to be, in his Divine Master's Name, King of kings and Lord of lords." (Manning, Temporal Power, Preface, 42-46)

“All the names which in the Scripture are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope.” Robert Cardinal Bellarmine, De Conciliorum Auctoriatate (On the Authority of the Councils) Bk 2, chap. 17 Bellarmine (1542-1621), a professor and rector at the Jesuit Gregorian University in Rome, is generally considered to have been one of the outstanding Jesuit instructors in the history of this organization.

“The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God. He is the divine monarch and supreme emperor, and king of kings. Hence the pope is crowned with a triple crown, as King of heaven and of earth and of the lower regions.” Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Bibliotheca, vol.6, art.Papa II” (Ferraris was an Italian Catholic canonist and consultor to the Holy Office in Rome.)

“We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.” Pope Leo XIII, in an encyclical letter dated June 20, 1894, The Great Encyclical Letters of Leo XIII, p. 304.
 
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The Reformers recognized him in the apostate papacy, based in part on the following declarations:
Sure; the reformers would say the Pope is the AC and he is an Anti-Christ man today.

But then you say the end time AC is a spiritual being.
Seems to me your are either confused or are desperate to avoid the true fact of a man who will do what the Prophets plainly tell us he will.
 
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He sits in the spiritual temple of the Church as one who has usurped and arrogated spiritual authority which belongs to Christ, the spiritual Head of the Church, alone.
Explain how a physical man can sit in a spiritual Temple. A Temple that is currently within the Christian peoples, but is plainly stated to be a physical Temple in the end times.

Discussing issues with you is fruitless, as no matter how much scriptural truth is presented, you refuse to change your views. It is sad for you and the many other people who have fixed beliefs, as the soon to happen end times events will surprise and shock you. But this is how God wants it, so the test by fire, 1 Peter 4:12, will sort out those who trust in the Lords protection and those who lack understanding.
 
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Your definition of "relating" does not match Paul's definition of relating.

I am interpreting nothing myself. I am merely citing Paul's own interpretation.

You refuse Paul his right to interpret his own Scripture, because his interpretation exposes the fallacy of yours.

Paul is eminently qualified to be his own interpreter.


You are not citing any interpretation except your own. If the Temple spoken in of in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 was the Church, there would be other scriptures indicating a time when the Anti-Christ would attempt to take over the body of Christ, but we find no such scriptures and therefore, the only reasonable conclusion is that the Temple which the Man of Sin will attempt to usurp is a literal Temple.

And Paul would not have attempted to interpret his own scriptures with scriptures that do not relate or tie into a particular subject that he was addressing but you are doing just that.
 
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Plainly; His Throne will be in the new Temple.
You left out Zechariah 6:15 Men from far away will come and build the Temple of the Lord.....

In verse 12-13 saying Jesus will build the Temple is like saying the President built the White House.
It seems that you and jgr have a pathological aversion to a new Temple. I guess it will be a nice surprise for you to come and worship the Lord, as per Zechariah 14:20-21

You are just too literal man!

That Zech.6 idea of Christ building the future temple at His return can simply mean He oversees it being built, not that He has to be a carpenter again and do it Himself.
 
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You are not citing any interpretation except your own. If the Temple spoken in of in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 was the Church, there would be other scriptures indicating a time when the Anti-Christ would attempt to take over the body of Christ, but we find no such scriptures and therefore, the only reasonable conclusion is that the Temple which the Man of Sin will attempt to usurp is a literal Temple.

And Paul would not have attempted to interpret his own scriptures with scriptures that do not relate or tie into a particular subject that he was addressing but you are doing just that.

If Paul had intended a physical temple in 2 Thessalonians 2:4, he would have used eidóleion or hieros/hieron as he did in the associated Scriptures below.

But he didn't. He used naos, consistent with his intended spiritual meaning as in the associated Scriptures below.

Paul didn't suffer from the futurized fallacies of dispensational delusionism.


Paul's temples:

"naos" spiritual:

1 Corinthians 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

1 Corinthians 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

2 Corinthians 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Ephesians 2:21
In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
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"eidóleion" physical:

1 Corinthians 8:10
For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
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"hieros/hieron" physical:

1 Corinthians 9:13
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
 
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Explain how a physical man can sit in a spiritual Temple. A Temple that is currently within the Christian peoples, but is plainly stated to be a physical Temple in the end times.

Discussing issues with you is fruitless, as no matter how much scriptural truth is presented, you refuse to change your views. It is sad for you and the many other people who have fixed beliefs, as the soon to happen end times events will surprise and shock you. But this is how God wants it, so the test by fire, 1 Peter 4:12, will sort out those who trust in the Lords protection and those who lack understanding.

1 Corinthians 2
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
 
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If Paul had intended a physical temple in 2 Thessalonians 2:4, he would have used eidóleion or hieros/hieron as he did in the associated Scriptures below.

But he didn't. He used naos, consistent with his intended spiritual meaning as in the associated Scriptures below.

Paul didn't suffer from the futurized fallacies of dispensational delusionism.


Paul's temples:

"naos" spiritual:

1 Corinthians 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

1 Corinthians 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

2 Corinthians 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Ephesians 2:21
In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

"eidóleion" physical:

1 Corinthians 8:10
For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

"hieros/hieron" physical:

1 Corinthians 9:13
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations


The definition of Naos is not applied in a metaphorical or figurative context as you claim.
 
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In every case where he used naos instead of eidóleion or hieros/hieron.

Including 2 Thessalonians 2:4.


But in the case of 2 Thessalonians 2:4, he did not use the word in a metaphorical context.
 
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