THE TRUE "REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY/SUPERSESSIONISM" OF THE BIBLE

Davy said:

That's just it, Apostle Paul showed in Romans 11 that God has not forgotten them. So as much as some people hate the Jews, blaming them for murdering our Lord Jesus on the cross, Apostle Paul still had hope that at least some of his Jewish brethren would come to Christ and be saved.

So you're not going against me when you think I'm deceiving myself about them; you are denying what Apostle Paul himself said, which is because he actually heeded what God gave the OT prophets to write about the house of Judah...

Rom 11:25-29
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, 'There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is My covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.'

There's a multitude of Scriptures in the OT prophets about their future conversion when God takes away their sins. But not theirs only, but also the sins of the northern ten tribes of Israel too.

Jer 3:18
18 In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given for an inheritance unto your fathers.
KJV

Jer 33:24-26
24 Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, "The two families which the LORD hath chosen, he hath even cast them off?" thus they have despised My people, that they should be no more a nation before them.
25 Thus saith the LORD; If My covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth;
26 Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob, and David My servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.
KJV

Jer 50:19-20
19 And I will bring Israel again to his habitation, and he shall feed on Carmel and Bashan, and his soul shall be satisfied upon mount Ephraim and Gilead.
20 In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the iniquity of Israel shall be sought for, and there shall be none; and the sins of Judah, and they shall not be found: for I will pardon them whom I reserve.
KJV

Brethren in Christ should take heed with what Apostle Paul said there in Romans 11 for us in Christ to not be 'conceited' against the unbelieving Jews, because he showed God has not cast even those off just yet, his even quoting from the OT prophets about that!

Thus Paul further says...

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
KJV

Does that sound like the unbelieving Jews are already doomed to perish? No. Paul is even saying they are STILL the 'elect' of God. Might not seem like it right now, but what was Apostle Paul doing BEFORE Jesus converted him on the road to Damascus? Paul was right in there with the blind scribes and Pharisees persecuting Christ's Church!

Who more than Apostle Paul would be qualified to say this about the unbelieving Jews, that they are still the elect of God?

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I am in agreement with most of what you are saying, but one thing that needs to be made clear: When it comes to salvation, both Jew and Gentile are under the same standard. They who die without Christ will suffer eternal damnation. The repentant will be saved. Eventually, the nation of Israel will repent and be saved as a whole, though it will take a lot to bring them to that point.

jgr said:

Jesus disagrees.

John 5
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Or don't you think that anyone goes to hell?

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Already you show you don't understand the Scripture. The abode of the wicked called 'hell' is not about the "lake of fire". Per the end of Rev.20, the abode of hell goes into the lake of fire and is destroyed. The rich man of Luke 16 was taken to hell, a place across a fixed great gulf border in Paradise.

In post #955, two Israels are identified and described by Paul.

Paul is reiterating the two Israels of Romans 9:6-8; enemies of the gospel ("of Israel"), and the beloved election ("all Israel").

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Starting in Romans 11:7, Apostle Paul begins talking about His brethren the unbelieving Jews, not the remnant which God preserved unto Himself. This is still who he is talking about in the Romans 11:23-32 verses.

Rom 11:23-25
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
KJV

That Scripture is very easy to understand that Paul is talking about his Jewish brethren that were blinded away from The Gospel. No mystery about that at all. I feel sorry for those who cannot bring themselves to read what Paul said there as written and believe it.

Contenders Edge said:

I am in agreement with most of what you are saying, but one thing that needs to be made clear: When it comes to salvation, both Jew and Gentile are under the same standard. They who die without Christ will suffer eternal damnation. The repentant will be saved. Eventually, the nation of Israel will repent and be saved as a whole, though it will take a lot to bring them to that point.

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Nowhere, not even once, not even a hint, was given by me saying the unbelieving Jews will be saved just for being born of the seed of Israel. All... MUST believe on The Father through His Son Jesus Christ to have eternal life. There has NEVER been consternation on my part about that point.

The point here is what Paul said in Romans 11, which apparently some do not agree with Paul on, thinking the unbelieving Jews are doomed to perish already! Strange how some men put a curse on themselves by thinking they have the authority to say a flesh man is already doomed to perish in the future lake of fire! No flesh born man has been judged to perish yet, only Satan and his angels have.

What is even more surprising, is how those same ones have short memories, and have forgotten that Apostle Paul himself was once a blind Pharisee also, and was persecuting Christ before Jesus converted him on the road to Damascus. Paul is thus most qualified to declare that God has not yet condemned those of his brethren that still have not believed on Jesus.

For those who understand about the two 'houses' in God's Word, the unbelieving Jews are STILL part of the "house of Judah" today. God is STILL fulfilling promises among them He gave their fathers long ago, even though they still reject His Son today! Their house being left desolate is involving the removal of many of God's original promises to Israel, but not the removal of all of them, and definitely not His promise to them about Jerusalem always keeping one tribe for David's sake and Jerusalem's sake (1 Kings 11). Just as when the "house of Israel" (ten northern tribes) fell into Baal idol worship and God cast them out of His sight, He didn't forget them either...

Amos 9:9
9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
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Davy said:

Already you show you don't understand the Scripture. The abode of the wicked called 'hell' is not about the "lake of fire". Per the end of Rev.20, the abode of hell goes into the lake of fire and is destroyed. The rich man of Luke 16 was taken to hell, a place across a fixed great gulf border in Paradise.

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Where do those who are resurrected unto damnation go?

If not hell, then where?

Davy said:

Starting in Romans 11:7, Apostle Paul begins talking about His brethren the unbelieving Jews, not the remnant which God preserved unto Himself. This is still who he is talking about in the Romans 11:23-32 verses.

Rom 11:23-25
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
KJV

That Scripture is very easy to understand that Paul is talking about his Jewish brethren that were blinded away from The Gospel. No mystery about that at all. I feel sorry for those who cannot bring themselves to read what Paul said there as written and believe it.

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I'm awaiting Scripture from you which refutes the Scripture I've provided.

I don't see any.

You'll notice the conditionality in Romans 11:23: "...if they abide not still in unbelief..."

Those who "abide not still in unbelief", and place their faith and trust in Christ, become part of the elect beloved remnant saved by grace, as Paul describes elsewhere in Romans 11.

Awaiting your refutational Scripture.

jgr said:

Where do those who are resurrected unto damnation go?

If not hell, then where?

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Once again, you reveal you don't understand the different Greek words used for the word "hell" in the NT (KJV). Sometimes it's the word haides, sometimes it's geena, and one time it is tartaroo.

The casting into the "lake of fire" is a future event. It is NOT hell. The abode of hell goes into it.

No sense in having this discussion if you're not even going to give Scripture I direct you to the time of day, like I told you about hell going into the future lake of fire per Rev.20.

Davy said:

Once again, you reveal you don't understand the different Greek words used for the word "hell" in the NT (KJV). Sometimes it's the word haides, sometimes it's geena, and one time it is tartaroo.

The casting into the "lake of fire" is a future event. It is NOT hell. The abode of hell goes into it.

No sense in having this discussion if you're not even going to give Scripture I direct you to the time of day, like I told you about hell going into the future lake of fire per Rev.20.

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Let's just say they're not going to heaven. Agreed?

jgr said:

I'm awaiting Scripture from you which refutes the Scripture I've provided.

I don't see any.

You'll notice the conditionality in Romans 11:23: "...if they abide not still in unbelief..."

Those who "abide not still in unbelief", and place their faith and trust in Christ, become part of the elect beloved remnant saved by grace, as Paul describes elsewhere in Romans 11.

Awaiting your refutational Scripture.

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What did you provide? I don't see any proof you've provided against what I said about what Paul taught starting in the Romans 11:7 verse regarding his brethren the unbelieving Jews.

Do you need that I go over those verses for you, line upon line? It would seem so. Can you not do your own reading comprehension?

jgr said:

Let's just say they're not going to heaven. Agreed?

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Now you're really being silly.

Anyone who rejects Jesus Christ in final will not have eternal life. I've never argued that point, but you seem to try to keep arguing that point, as if the unbelieving Jews are ALREADY judged and sentenced to perish in the future lake of fire!

NO FLESH BORN MAN has been judged and sentenced to perish in the future lake of fire just yet. ONLY Satan and his angels have (Isaiah 30:33; Matthew 25:41). Not even Judas Iscariot has been judged and sentenced to perish in the lake of fire yet. And ONLY Christ Jesus has the Authority to condemn to the lake of fire.

Davy said:

Now you're really being silly.

Anyone who rejects Jesus Christ in final will not have eternal life. I've never argued that point, but you seem to try to keep arguing that point, as if the unbelieving Jews are ALREADY judged and sentenced to perish in the future lake of fire!

NO FLESH BORN MAN has been judged and sentenced to perish in the future lake of fire just yet. ONLY Satan and his angels have (Isaiah 30:33; Matthew 25:41). Not even Judas Iscariot has been judged and sentenced to perish in the lake of fire yet. And ONLY Christ Jesus has the Authority to condemn to the lake of fire.

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Any and all, Jew and Gentile, who do not place their faith and trust in Christ, do not go to heaven.

Do you think otherwise?

Davy said:

What did you provide? I don't see any proof you've provided against what I said about what Paul taught starting in the Romans 11:7 verse regarding his brethren the unbelieving Jews.

Do you need that I go over those verses for you, line upon line? It would seem so. Can you not do your own reading comprehension?

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Still awaiting your refutational Scripture.

Davy said:

Not even Judas Iscariot has been judged and sentenced to perish in the lake of fire yet.

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Jesus disagrees.

Matthew 26
24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

John 17
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

jgr said:

Jesus disagrees.

Matthew 26
24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

John 17
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

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Then you are saying Jesus already threw Judas into the "lake of fire". That kind of thinking of course is false. Judas is still not judged and sentenced yet. Reason is because that time when Jesus does that Judgment is not arrived yet.

Davy said:

Then you are saying Jesus already threw Judas into the "lake of fire". That kind of thinking of course is false. Judas is still not judged and sentenced yet. Reason is because that time when Jesus does that Judgment is not arrived yet.

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So when Jesus said that the son of perdition is lost, He didn't really mean it?

Davy said:

Who more than Apostle Paul would be qualified to say this about the unbelieving Jews, that they are still the elect of God?

You that are against what Paul taught there need to reconcile your hatred against the Jews with our Heavenly Father and His Son, praying for forgiveness. I don't require any apologies from you, because I know you're simply dwelling in ignorance about this matter. Understand though, you're not going against 'me' on this; you are indeed going against God's Word about it.

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This is a nasty accusation and I have reported you for using the word 'hatred'.
I don't 'hate' the Jews, but I do not like their continued rejection of Jesus and neither does God. Many prophesies say He will destroy them. Isaiah 22:14
That this truth doesn't suit your beliefs; of a rapture to heaven of the Church and a general Jewish reconciliation, is your problem.

The ONLY Elect people of God today, are those who have accepted Jesus, born again Christians. Some are Jews, most are people from every other race, nation and language. Revelation 5:9-10
I believe that the majority are people who are descended from the 10 Northern tribes of Israel. They were the ones Jesus came to save, Matthew 15:24, and He was successful.

Davy said:

Nowhere, not even once, not even a hint, was given by me saying the unbelieving Jews will be saved just for being born of the seed of Israel. All... MUST believe on The Father through His Son Jesus Christ to have eternal life. There has NEVER been consternation on my part about that point.

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I appreciate your clarification on this matter.

Davy said:

Strange how some men put a curse on themselves by thinking they have the authority to say a flesh man is already doomed to perish in the future lake of fire!

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While I agree with you in that the Lake of Fire is the final judgment for all who die in unbelief, what about in the meantime when they die? Does not the scripture say that they who die in unbelief are in Hell awaiting that final judgment?

keras said:

This is a nasty accusation and I have reported you for using the word 'hatred'.
I don't 'hate' the Jews, but I do not like their continued rejection of Jesus and neither does God. Many prophesies say He will destroy them. Isaiah 22:14
That this truth doesn't suit your beliefs; of a rapture to heaven of the Church and a general Jewish reconciliation, is your problem.

The ONLY Elect people of God today, are those who have accepted Jesus, born again Christians. Some are Jews, most are people from every other race, nation and language. Revelation 5:9-10
I believe that the majority are people who are descended from the 10 Northern tribes of Israel. They were the ones Jesus came to save, Matthew 15:24, and He was successful.

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Hatred against the Jews is the only logical conclusion left for one who denies what Apostle Paul said there in Romans 11:7 forward about them, and how God's gifts of calling are without repentance. It is actually to go the way of Martin Luther who dearly hated the Jews. So report on!!! But denial of what Paul said there will still place those who disagree with Paul in the same category as Martin Luther regarding the Jews.

Contenders Edge said:

I appreciate your clarification on this matter.

While I agree with you in that the Lake of Fire is the final judgment for all who die in unbelief, what about in the meantime when they die? Does not the scripture say that they who die in unbelief are in Hell awaiting that final judgment?

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It's important to understand translation to the English word 'hell'. Not all cases in the New Testament mean the same place. The Bible student must look each case up in the Greek.

Sometimes the word "hell" in the KJV is about Hades, which is about the abode of the wicked in Paradise, like what our Lord Jesus showed in Luke 16 where the "rich man" was carried to. Other times it's from the Hebrew word for Hinnom which is about the valley of Hinnom, a burning garbage pit outside Jerusalem in the Old Testament where Judah at one time fell to false worship in burning their children in the fire (see Jeremiah 7:31-32). Our Lord Jesus used that Hinnom as an symbol for the future "lake of fire" of Revelation 20:14.

We do not find our Lord Jesus ever declaring any flesh-born already judged and sentenced to perish at the future "lake of fire". Even with Judas that He called the "son of perdition", that is still not the final Judgment to the future "lake of fire". The reason is because our Lord Jesus does not make that Final Judgment until when? Not until the END of the future "thousand years" of Revelation 20 is over.

Now I realize there are some brethren that don't believe the "thousand years" of Rev.20 is literal, and they instead believe when Jesus returns, all the wicked will perish right then, and no literal thousand years period of His reign. However, that belief is counter to what is written in both the OT and NT. Our Lord Jesus revealed about the future "outer darkness" where the wicked will be subjected to after His return. That is further shown us in Revelation 22:14-15 with the wicked outside the gates of the holy city, while His elect are inside with right to the tree of life, which is actually the "thousand years" timing back in Rev.20.

What that shows is that when our Lord Jesus returns, the Heavenly dimension is going to be revealed right here on earth. And just as with the separation in Paradise that our Lord Jesus showed is in Heaven right now (per Luke 16), that kind of separation is going to exist right here on earth in that future time between the abode of the wicked and the holy city where Christ and His saints will dwell.

Davy said:

Hatred against the Jews is the only logical conclusion left for one who denies what Apostle Paul said there in Romans 11:7 forward about them, and how God's gifts of calling are without repentance. It is actually to go the way of Martin Luther who dearly hated the Jews. So report on!!! But denial of what Paul said there will still place those who disagree with Paul in the same category as Martin Luther regarding the Jews.

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What Paul says about the Jews in Romans 11, is that they are lopped off the Olive Tree and can only be re-grafted back by becoming Christians.
And when Paul talks about the whole of Israel being saved, in verse 26, he means all 12 tribes and certainly not every Jew.
People who adulate the Jews and who believe in their eventual Redemption, have simply failed to read these Prophesies:
The Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath in the Holy Land:

Ezekiel 21:2-7 Son of man, set your face toward Jerusalem and prophesy against the Land of Israel. My sword will be drawn against everyone from the Negev to the North, it will kill both the righteous and wicked alike. All courage will fail – it will surely take place.

Ezekiel 21:10-14 My sword is sharpened to kill, even the scepter of My Royal Son. Testing will surely come and what if the scepter of Judah, which the sword despises, does not continue? Swing the sword three times, the great sword of slaughter. [1st time – 585BC, 2nd time - 69/70AD, 3rd time- to come]

Jeremiah 8:5-12 Judah has no remorse or repentance, How can you say: We have the Law, when your scribes have falsified it? For all, high and low are out for ill-gotten gain, your prophets and rabbis are frauds, every one of them. This wicked race would rather die than live. They say: All is well; no, nothing is well, they will all fall with a great crash on the Day of Reckoning. You will be as dung spread on the ground. Then, I will give the Land to new owners. [every faithful Christian will occupy all of the holy Land]

Ezekiel 16:35-63 Listen you harlot: Because of your brazen excesses...I shall bring you to trial for adultery and murder...You must bear the consequences of your lewd and abominable conduct, I shall treat you as you deserve, because you violated an oath and made light of a covenant. You will remember and be so ashamed and humiliated that you will never open your mouth again. [The remnant, after the Lord’s punishment]

Amos 2:4-5 For the crimes of Judah, there will be no reprieve, they have spurned the Law of the Lord and have not observed His decrees. They have followed false gods. Therefore I shall send fire on Judah, fire will consume them.

Hosea 8:14And for you, Judah, a harvest of reckoning will come, I will send fire onto your cities

Zephaniah 1:4-6 Judah will be judged and those who have neither sought the Lord, nor enquired of Him, will be wiped out.

Obadiah 1:15-16 The Day of the Lord is at hand for all the nations....you too will drink the cup of wrath that My people, Judah, must drink on My Holy mountain.

Jeremiah 19:11 I shall smash this people, as a clay jar is smashed beyond repair. There will be no room left to bury them all.

Jeremiah 21:11-14 To the Royal House of Judah....I shall punish you as you deserve. I shall set fire to your scrubland, it will consume everything around about.

Ezekiel 20:46-47...I am about to kindle a fire in the Negev....it will scorch everyone in the Land.

Zechariah 13:8-9 It will happen throughout the Land, that 2/3 of the people will die. The 1/3 left will pass through the refining fire. They will call on Me and I will answer them.... Of that third, only a small remnant will survive. Romans 9:27


Isaiah 9:18-19 Wicked men have been set ablaze. The Land is scorched and the people are fuel for the fire.

Jeremiah 13:19 The towns in the Negev are besieged, no one can relieve them. Judah has been swept clean away.

Isaiah 4:3-4 The remnant of Judah will be called holy when the Lord cleanses Zion by a Spirit of judgement burning like fire.

Luke 19:27 As for those enemies of Mine, who did not want Me for their King, bring them here and slaughter them

Matthew 27:25 His blood be upon us and our children.

Matthew 21:41-43 The King will bring those criminals to justice and destroy them. Therefore the Kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will bear its fruit.
Reference: REB. NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged

keras said:

People who adulate the Jews and who believe in their eventual Redemption, have simply failed to read these Prophesies:
The Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath in the Holy Land:

Ezekiel 21:2-7 Son of man, set your face toward Jerusalem and prophesy against the Land of Israel. My sword will be drawn against everyone from the Negev to the North, it will kill both the righteous and wicked alike. All courage will fail – it will surely take place.

Ezekiel 21:10-14 My sword is sharpened to kill, even the scepter of My Royal Son. Testing will surely come and what if the scepter of Judah, which the sword despises, does not continue? Swing the sword three times, the great sword of slaughter. [1st time – 585BC, 2nd time - 69/70AD, 3rd time- to come]

Jeremiah 8:5-12 Judah has no remorse or repentance, How can you say: We have the Law, when your scribes have falsified it? For all, high and low are out for ill-gotten gain, your prophets and rabbis are frauds, every one of them. This wicked race would rather die than live. They say: All is well; no, nothing is well, they will all fall with a great crash on the Day of Reckoning. You will be as dung spread on the ground. Then, I will give the Land to new owners. [every faithful Christian will occupy all of the holy Land]

Ezekiel 16:35-63 Listen you harlot: Because of your brazen excesses...I shall bring you to trial for adultery and murder...You must bear the consequences of your lewd and abominable conduct, I shall treat you as you deserve, because you violated an oath and made light of a covenant. You will remember and be so ashamed and humiliated that you will never open your mouth again. [The remnant, after the Lord’s punishment]

Amos 2:4-5 For the crimes of Judah, there will be no reprieve, they have spurned the Law of the Lord and have not observed His decrees. They have followed false gods. Therefore I shall send fire on Judah, fire will consume them.

Hosea 8:14And for you, Judah, a harvest of reckoning will come, I will send fire onto your cities

Zephaniah 1:4-6 Judah will be judged and those who have neither sought the Lord, nor enquired of Him, will be wiped out.

Obadiah 1:15-16 The Day of the Lord is at hand for all the nations....you too will drink the cup of wrath that My people, Judah, must drink on My Holy mountain.

Jeremiah 19:11 I shall smash this people, as a clay jar is smashed beyond repair. There will be no room left to bury them all.

Jeremiah 21:11-14 To the Royal House of Judah....I shall punish you as you deserve. I shall set fire to your scrubland, it will consume everything around about.

Ezekiel 20:46-47...I am about to kindle a fire in the Negev....it will scorch everyone in the Land.

Zechariah 13:8-9 It will happen throughout the Land, that 2/3 of the people will die. The 1/3 left will pass through the refining fire. They will call on Me and I will answer them.... Of that third, only a small remnant will survive. Romans 9:27


Isaiah 9:18-19 Wicked men have been set ablaze. The Land is scorched and the people are fuel for the fire.

Jeremiah 13:19 The towns in the Negev are besieged, no one can relieve them. Judah has been swept clean away.

Isaiah 4:3-4 The remnant of Judah will be called holy when the Lord cleanses Zion by a Spirit of judgement burning like fire.

Luke 19:27 As for those enemies of Mine, who did not want Me for their King, bring them here and slaughter them

Matthew 27:25 His blood be upon us and our children.

Matthew 21:41-43 The King will bring those criminals to justice and destroy them. Therefore the Kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will bear its fruit.
Reference: REB. NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged

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Don't confuse past historical events when God punished Israel for falling into idol worship against Him vs. the coming tribulation and destruction upon the temple mount that the coming Antichrist will cause. God did not literally destroy the righteous with the wicked when He sent Nebuchadnezzar upon Jerusalem. But Neb did come upon Jerusalem like a storm as a destroyer. And the righteous who went captive by Neb to Babylon thrived there by God's hand. Likewise for the coming tribulation, Jesus foretold us to have patience, and not to worry, but be prepared to give a Testimony by The Holy Spirit for Him.

Davy said:

Don't confuse past historical events when God punished Israel for falling into idol worship against Him vs. the coming tribulation and destruction upon the temple mount that the coming Antichrist will cause. God did not literally destroy the righteous with the wicked when He sent Nebuchadnezzar upon Jerusalem. But Neb did come upon Jerusalem like a storm as a destroyer. And the righteous who went captive by Neb to Babylon thrived there by God's hand. Likewise for the coming tribulation, Jesus foretold us to have patience, and not to worry, but be prepared to give a Testimony by The Holy Spirit for Him.

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Don't be a preterist and think it all happened in the past.
Isn't it obvious to you and anyone, that there is soon to happen some kind of dramatic change to the untenable situation in the Middle East?
The Bible prophets tell us quite plainly what will happen there and to the world. It will happen unexpectedly to unbelievers, but should not take us unawares. 1 Thessalonians 5:1-6