Racism on display at University of Virginia

That's messed up.. it's a multi cultural place where white people aren't allowed.

So much for multi-cultural..

Seems like a joke committed by one who is immature and knows no better, for the purpose of videos, applause and attention.

I say go and sin no more.

Sometimes I wonder if these kids think before doing things like this. Her video could really come back and haunt her. Can you imagine a potential employer checking out her history, and the message is she is uncomfortable around non-minorities her view?

People try to tell individuals to watch what they do online, and to be careful with what you present. There are reasons for this. We have all done things we shouldn't have in the past - in youth or otherwise - but now you have the internet chase you around to remind others of your past.

Yikes! I feel bad for her, because I doubt she thought that far ahead.

HannahT said:

Sometimes I wonder if these kids think before doing things like this. Her video could really come back and haunt her. Can you imagine a potential employer checking out her history, and the message is she is uncomfortable around non-minorities her view?

People try to tell individuals to watch what they do online, and to be careful with what you present. There are reasons for this. We have all done things we shouldn't have in the past - in youth or otherwise - but now you have the internet chase you around to remind others of your past.

Yikes! I feel bad for her, because I doubt she thought that far ahead.

Click to expand...

And if she tired to apply for a job with a white employer? Maybe they can give her what she wants. No where around them.

Seems like this is a case of someone (possibly secretly?) recording her as a means to somehow "discredit" or "debunk" the underlying message of a particular movement, as a whole, by finding an extreme example to somehow prove "it's actually white people who are the victims of racism".


I think when discussing these topics, it's important to "cut through the bull excrement", so to speak.

These kinds of "gotcha journalism" moments are examples of people trying to discredit a movement they don't like. (not saying what she said wasn't wrong, but let's not be silly here...it's blatantly obvious what someone's trying to do when they post a video like this on YouTube and says "look at the racism against white people!")


When looking at any equality movement (gender, race, religious, whatever...), the movements are typically focused on bolstering up groups that have typically been on the losing end of inequality. Which makes perfect sense.


This is no different than when men, who are upset about women's equality movements (due to the fact that it threatens their societal status of superiority and they were comfortable with the status quo arrangement of Men > Women), scour the web finding cases of extreme feminists trashing men, and then claiming that "feminism is about man-hating!".


If someone is so dense that they really can't understand why, in the US, gender equality movements are focused on women, racial/multicultural equality movements are focused on non-whites, and religious equality movements are focused on minority religions, then they're either being deliberately naive, or they're just bitter about the prospect of having to lose their status of superiority.


Let's not be disingenuous here, folks... We know why the concept of "Whites are the victims of racism" and "Mens rights activism" are silly, don't we?

ThatRobGuy said:

"Mens rights activism" are silly, don't we?

Click to expand...

I... take it that you're unaware of the Johnny Depp / Amber Heard situation?

Amber Heard admits to ‘hitting’ Johnny Depp in recording

Actor Johnny Depp and actress Amber Heard were married for two years, during which she became verbally and physically abusive towards Depp. Depp tried to talk her down, but he was dealing with some issues beyond her drama, and things started into a downward spiral.

Heard eventually responded by falsely accusing Depp of abusing her, which resulted in Depp's career being destroyed almost overnight.

Well, a few days ago an audio recording was leaked to the public. In the recording, not only is Heard admitting to having physically assaulted Depp, she's literally telling him that she knows nobody will ever believe that a man could be a victim of abuse, so she's not afraid of him trying to tell anyone about what she's been doing to him.

That's right: Heard was the abuser in the relationship, but she was able to convince the public that she was the one being abused and so Depp nearly had his life destroyed when he tried to get his life back on track without her.

Do you still think the "men's rights" movement is silly now? Because this is the kind of thing most legitimate men's rights groups worry about: how easily it is for men to be victimized twice in domestic violence situations, once by their significant others and then again by the court of public opinion.

Other common issues legitimate groups worry about include disparities in funding for health issues by gender (men are actually getting short-changed in regards to both certain categories of medical research and access to certain types of mental health treatment) and custody rights in situations where the mothers are shown to be unfit parents.

Perhaps the biggest bit to galvanize the men's rights movements came a few years ago when a member of the UK's Parliament tried to start a conversation about the disproportionate suicide rates in the country, only for a female politician named Jess Philips to laugh right in his face and declare that as far as she was concerned until such time as women made up a larger part of the British government the member who was speaking had no right to be bringing up men's issues. When Philips began taking flak over this incident, she responded by claiming a harassment campaign and essentially trying to cast all of her critics as evil sexists. It's for this reason that Philips is now regarded by more than a few people across the world as literally being evil incarnate and the very definition of what is wrong with modern feminism.

Ironhold said:

Well, a few days ago an audio recording was leaked to the public. In the recording, not only is Heard admitting to having physically assaulted Depp, she's literally telling him that she knows nobody will ever believe that a man could be a victim of abuse, so she's not afraid of him trying to tell anyone about what she's been doing to him.

That's right: Heard was the abuser in the relationship, but she was able to convince the public that she was the one being abused and so Depp nearly had his life destroyed when he tried to get his life back on track without her.

Do you still think the "men's rights" movement is silly now? Because this is the kind of thing most legitimate men's rights groups worry about: how easily it is for men to be victimized twice in domestic violence situations, once by their significant others and then again by the court of public opinion.

Click to expand...

There are individual instances of men having their rights violated by women in that regard and those should be addressed legally, however, that's not the norm, and in the majority of cases, men are going to be unlikely to suffer the same level of injury as a woman if the roles were reversed.


My point was the current manifestation of these reactionary faux "rights" movements are silly.

It's pretty easy to identify which movements are sincere, and which ones are comically disingenuous attempts to respond to an existing rights movement (that they may not be too crazy about) by cherry picking scenarios and trying to catch the other side in "gotcha"/"double-standard" moment.

Like when the people in Boston decided to have their "straight pride parade", or when people will disingenuously ask the question "why is it not okay for me to say white pride, or suggest we have a white history month??? The black people do it, why can't we???" (as if they don't already know the painfully obvious answer to that question).


Pretty simple rule of thumb for determining which rights movements are legitimate and which ones aren't and can be classified in two different designations

A) A group that's identified a pattern of historical and/or current injustices, or systemic issue, and seeks to correct that issue by organizing and raising awareness.

B) A group (often times that are comfortable with the status quo Type A is fighting against) that's formed with the sole purpose of trying to agitate Type A and delegitimize their cause by trying to catch them in a double-standard.

Most "Mens' rights groups", "White pride movements", "Straight Pride", "All lives matter", etc... would be examples of Type B.

ThatRobGuy said:

Seems like this is a case of someone (possibly secretly?) recording her as a means to somehow "discredit" or "debunk" the underlying message of a particular movement, as a whole, by finding an extreme example to somehow prove "it's actually white people who are the victims of racism".


I think when discussing these topics, it's important to "cut through the bull excrement", so to speak.

Click to expand...

The racist isn't the victim here and the white students are the victims of racism.

Aldebaran said:

Where was that said? The title of the Youtube video is: "University of Virginia student says there are too many white people in Multicultural Student Center"

The title of this thread is "Racism on display at University of Virginia". If you'd rather take issue with the thread title, then show me how this woman wasn't being racist.

Click to expand...

I was referring to this comment you made:

It just goes to show that diversity, multiculturalism and equality are for everyone but whites. It's nice when they finally open up and become honest about it and stop hiding behind, "We just want equal rights!" when they actually see themselves as more "equal" than the rest of us.

...and that comment falls in line with my assessment from earlier.

Which was:
Seems like this is a case of someone (possibly secretly?) recording her as a means to somehow "discredit" or "debunk" the underlying message of a particular movement, as a whole, by finding an extreme example to somehow prove "it's actually white people who are the victims of racism".

You seemingly did the exact thing I said...which was link a video that highlights an extreme scenario, and then proceeded to tried to discredit an entire movement.

Ana the Ist said:

The racist isn't the victim here and the white students are the victims of racism.

Click to expand...

In the particular instance shown in the video, yes, the white students are the victims (if you consider someone saying the particular demographic split isn't what they hoped for). I don't see in the video where she necessarily said anything bad about white people in general.

Like I noted before, she didn't choose her words very well (I stated that in my first post), and I also noted that in most, if not all, equality focused movements, it's implied (and well-understood) that they're primary focus is on groups that have had historically unequal treatment and are looking to bring themselves up to the level of "equal".

If the mission statement of the multicultural group in question was to have a wide variety of backgrounds all (somewhat) evenly represented -- I'm not familiar with their particular program, only the one that was was at my college years back-- , for the purposes of talking through issues (many of which are going to be centered around challenges that face people from certain races and cultures), I can see where an organizer might be a tad disappointed with a turnout of 80 white kids, 3 black kids, 2 Latinos, and one Asian.

I did do a little additional reading up on the University's originally-stated purpose for that facility.

...originated in 2004 in the wake of a racially-motivated assault of former Student Council candidate Daisy Lundy, a Korean and African American student who was forcefully slammed into the wheel of her car by a man who also made a racial slur about her candidacy. The MSC officially opened as a “student-centered, collaborative space that supports underrepresented and marginalized communities, while cultivating the holistic empowerment of all students." (--so them releasing a statement of "all-inclusion" may be a bit of damage control by the University after the video went viral.)

The center was originally located in the Newcomb basement with a maximum capacity of 49 people.
Several students tweeted in solidarity with the student in the video, saying that white people did not frequently visit the MSC when it was located in the basement of Newcomb Hall.

The University’s decision to relocate the MSC to the newly rennovated second floor of Newcomb was initiated in June 2019.


So, what it sounds like *may* have been happening (I say "may", because I wasn't there so I can't be certain) is that a multicultural center was created with the stated purpose of being a collaborative space for supporting marginalized communities, and the white kids didn't seem be too interested in going there to collaborate with them when it was in the dingy basement of the building. However, once it moved into the fancy new area, they started filling the place up and taking up most of the tables and using it as a study hall or "hang out spot".


If that is the case, then I can understand some of the frustration. If the minority students had a collaborative area where they could all talk and support each other and discuss challenges, and the white kids never showed up to participate...but now all of the sudden that it's in a nice area, they all show up and snag most of the available tables, and pop their headphones on and do homework, or just socialize among themselves and not even interact with the minority students...I can see why the minority students may be a tad annoyed by that...they probably feel like, in a way, they had their space taken away from them.

ThatRobGuy said:

In the particular instance shown in the video, yes, the white students are the victims (if you consider someone saying the particular demographic split isn't what they hoped for). I don't see in the video where she necessarily said anything bad about white people in general.

Click to expand...

Oh well, let me help you out then...

"Some of us POC feel uncomfortable with this many white people around."

Imagine if any white person, in any context, said "I feel uncomfortable around these (insert race) people."

Would you consider that anything but racist?

Like I noted before, she didn't choose her words very well (I stated that in my first post), and I also noted that in most, if not all, equality focused movements, it's implied (and well-understood) that they're primary focus is on groups that have had historically unequal treatment and are looking to bring themselves up to the level of "equal".

Click to expand...

Well there's your problem. She is equal. She has the same access, rights, and opportunities as everyone else. She looks to be, at the most, in her mid 20s so she hasn't experienced any historical oppression.

Now she wants space to be racist in.

If the mission statement of the multicultural group in question was to have a wide variety of backgrounds all (somewhat) evenly represented -- I'm not familiar with their particular program, only the one that was was at my college years back-- , for the purposes of talking through issues (many of which are going to be centered around challenges that face people from certain races and cultures), I can see where an organizer might be a tad disappointed with a turnout of 80 white kids, 3 black kids, 2 Latinos, and one Asian.

Click to expand...

The college already issued a statement that the MSC is for everyone.

What I laid out in post #16 actually addresses a lot of this...but I'll reply to it anyway.

Ana the Ist said:

Oh well, let me help you out then...

"Some of us POC feel uncomfortable with this many white people around."

Imagine if any white person, in any context, said "I feel uncomfortable around these (insert race) people."

Would you consider that anything but racist?

Click to expand...

No...but then again, the history isn't the same.

In a multicultural center (whose originally stated purpose was to be a collaborative environment for people of color and marginalized groups), it's understandable why some people would feel more comfortable talking about certain challenges with people who have faced the same challenges (instead of trying to do it in from of people who only started going there because they moved to a nicer venue...again, see post #16)...or people who are members of college "Young Conservative Groups" who come in and secretly record them in order to get some soundbytes that they can use to discredit their movement on social media.

Ana the Ist said:

Well there's your problem. She is equal. She has the same access, rights, and opportunities as everyone else. She looks to be, at the most, in her mid 20s so she hasn't experienced any historical oppression.

Now she wants space to be racist in.

Click to expand...

Again, I don't think she said anything that indicates that she hates white people. Seems like she just wants the safe space she once had to talk about issues facing minority communities.

"Equality on paper" and actual true equality are two different things.

To suggest otherwise would be naive. You can have a stack of laws a mile high that codify equality from a purely legal standpoint, that doesn't magically eliminate all forms discrimination one may experience.

For instance, a law on paper saying that "you can't engage in hiring discrimination" doesn't actually do a whole lot to prevent hiring discrimination. All a hiring manager has to say is "I felt that this guy (white) was a better candidate than this other guy (black)" and they can claim plausible deniability.

The fact that so many people operate on the premise of "Gee, the civil rights act was passed, and there are laws that say discrimination isn't allowed, everyone's equal now, I don't know what they're complaining about" is precisely why advocacy groups like this pop up in the first place.

Anyone who thinks that blacks and whites are treated equally (or experience equal challenges or have an equal life experience) in modern day society (simply because some laws are on the books) is either incredibly naive, or incredibly stupid.

Ana the Ist said:

The college already issued a statement that the MSC is for everyone.

Click to expand...

...and again, if you read what I posted in post #16...that was a backpeddle on their part as an attempt to save face. The originally stated purpose of their multicultural center was to have a "collaborative space to support marginalized groups"

ThatRobGuy said:

What I laid out in post #16 actually addresses a lot of this...but I'll reply to it anyway.

Click to expand...

I read it....speculation is fun but not really relevant.

No...but then again, the history isn't the same.

Click to expand...

History of what?

In a multicultural center (whose originally stated purpose was to be a collaborative environment for people of color and marginalized groups),

Click to expand...

Let's put this nonsense to rest...

Multicultural Student Center | Multicultural Student Services, UVA

The website says it's a space that supports
"underrepresented and marginalized communities"....not that it's a space "for them"....so you're just wrong here.

it's understandable why some people would feel more comfortable talking about certain challenges with people who have faced the same challenges

Click to expand...

Challenges like being excluded by racists because of your skin color?

Again, I don't think she said anything that indicates that she hates white people.

Click to expand...

Why do white people make her uncomfortable?

Seems like she just wants the safe space she once had to talk about issues facing minority communities.

Click to expand...

It doesn't appear that white people were ever excluded from the MSC....

That said, why would anyone ever need a "safe space from white people" if they aren't racist against whites?

"Equality on paper" and actual true equality are two different things.

Click to expand...

She's a UVA student just like her peers. She has the same rights and privileges as them.

To suggest otherwise would be naive. You can have a stack of laws a mile high that codify equality from a purely legal standpoint, that doesn't magically eliminate all forms discrimination one may experience.

Click to expand...

Discrimination like being excluded from a space by racists because of your race?

Anyone who thinks that blacks and whites are treated equally (or experience equal challenges or have an equal life experience) in modern day society (simply because some laws are on the books) is either incredibly naive, or incredibly stupid.



...and again, if you read what I posted in post #16...that was a backpeddle on their part as an attempt to save face. The originally stated purpose of their multicultural center was to have a "collaborative space to support marginalized groups"

Click to expand...

Here's the thing about that...

You're right, if someone doesn't get a job...it's hard to tell if racism was the reason. Unless the employer says "I'm not hiring you because you're (insert race)."...it's near impossible to know for sure.

In this case however, the person doing the discrimination against a race did exactly that. She said clearly and loudly that she would prefer not to have white people around.

That's racism any way you slice it.

ThatRobGuy said:

What I laid out in post #16 actually addresses a lot of this...but I'll reply to it anyway.



No...but then again, the history isn't the same.

In a multicultural center (whose originally stated purpose was to be a collaborative environment for people of color and marginalized groups), it's understandable why some people would feel more comfortable talking about certain challenges with people who have faced the same challenges (instead of trying to do it in from of people who only started going there because they moved to a nicer venue...again, see post #16)...or people who are members of college "Young Conservative Groups" who come in and secretly record them in order to get some soundbytes that they can use to discredit their movement on social media.




Again, I don't think she said anything that indicates that she hates white people. Seems like she just wants the safe space she once had to talk about issues facing minority communities.

"Equality on paper" and actual true equality are two different things.

To suggest otherwise would be naive. You can have a stack of laws a mile high that codify equality from a purely legal standpoint, that doesn't magically eliminate all forms discrimination one may experience.

For instance, a law on paper saying that "you can't engage in hiring discrimination" doesn't actually do a whole lot to prevent hiring discrimination. All a hiring manager has to say is "I felt that this guy (white) was a better candidate than this other guy (black)" and they can claim plausible deniability.

The fact that so many people operate on the premise of "Gee, the civil rights act was passed, and there are laws that say discrimination isn't allowed, everyone's equal now, I don't know what they're complaining about" is precisely why advocacy groups like this pop up in the first place.

Anyone who thinks that blacks and whites are treated equally (or experience equal challenges or have an equal life experience) in modern day society (simply because some laws are on the books) is either incredibly naive, or incredibly stupid.



...and again, if you read what I posted in post #16...that was a backpeddle on their part as an attempt to save face. The originally stated purpose of their multicultural center was to have a "collaborative space to support marginalized groups"

Click to expand...

I did a little digging and found this....

‘There’s Just Too Many White People in Here’: UVA Student Asks Whites to Leave Campus Center | Sandra Rose

"The video was originally tweeted by a student with the username WUF (@WafaFlofa_Flame), who referred to white students as "a bunch of infiltrators" before deleting her Twitter account."

So it appears your theory about this video being the work of some covert conservative students is wrong...she probably knew she was being recorded by one of her racist friends who proudly posted it.

Also...

"WUF identified the Black woman as Twitter user Aunty Ezinne (@easily_ezzy), who delighted in the attention she received -- until she made her page private on Wednesday afternoon.

In screen captures by theCollegeFix.com, Aunty Ezinne tweeted: "Why did I smack my lips like that when I said white people" and "Y'all should have seen how quick the WHITE people packed their bags and left!"

So she's a proud racist who is proud to discriminate against whites.

Edit- maybe in the future it would be better to not generalize about people's lives and experiences based on nothing more than their race. Just a thought.