How come humans have not evolved into a higher species?

Cis.jd · Jan 23, 2020

MrsFoundit said:
In reality we do not essentially have to choose either spiritually explained or scientifically explained, you are presenting a false dichotomy. In my opinion, "smart" people are not those who believe in and apply your false dichotomy, and intelligence cannot accurately be attributed based on which of your restricted possibilities a person accepts.

There is no false dichotomy. Your argument was that science can't touch the supernatural, and you where given many examples of it, not just with that tornado example. Now, instead of just admitting that there supernatural beliefs are proven wrong scientifically (making them factually wrong) you make posts such as this.

Psyche means spirit, it is specified as synonymous Definition of PSYCHE. It is the same.
Spiritualism is an inappropriate word there, it is a specific religion, or religious concept. I will assume you meant spirituality.

And? Are you trying to revert back to "philosophy" or something, because i don't understand how psyche being a synonym for spirit is correcting anything i'm saying in that quote.

Cis.jd · Jan 23, 2020

LoG said:
It was interesting and insightful to read why it was Jews were being blamed for the plague. It seems that because the Jews in general were not being affected by it, it was suspected they were poisoning the wells of the rest of the population. We now know it was because the Jews followed the sanitation laws of the old testament whereas the the church then and now, thought they were above those requirements. Had it "repented" and issued an edict to tell people to wash their hands, bathe and throw their excrement outside of the cities, which those laws said to do in Deuteronomy and Leviticus, as well as observe guidelines related to childbirthing etc, the world wouldn't have needed to suffer a 30% reduction of its populations.

The science of sanitation in the Bible was almost 3000 years ahead of its time.

Yup, poisoning wells with magic. I assume there was good scientific knowledge, magic would have been one of the last assumptions.

Persecution of the Jews - Insects, Disease, and Histroy | Montana State University

MrsFoundit · Jan 23, 2020

Cis.jd said:
Your argument was that science can't touch the supernatural, and you where given many examples of it,

Definition of supernatural, SUPERNATURAL | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary :

"things that cannot be explained by science:"

As I said in the first place, science cannot explain the supernatural, by definition.

Science explains the physical, SCIENCE | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

"(knowledge from) the careful study of the structure and behaviour of the physical world,"

You believe the supernatural to be physical but not yet explained by science.

I regard it as an inherent attribute of the supernatural to be not physical.

Your attempts at examples at best demonstrate that people are fallible. This is not proof that your opinion on the supernatural is right and mine is wrong. It is just two different opinions.

MrsFoundit · Jan 23, 2020

Cis.jd said:
i don't understand how psyche being a synonym for spirit is correcting anything i'm saying in that quote.

I was not attempting to correct you.

I believe there are actually many ways a person can understand Genesis, but our different opinions regarding the supernatural apply to our respective perspectives.

The Barbarian · Jan 23, 2020

joshua 1 9 said:
We know from Science that in the rocky mountains the dinosaur remains are found in flood deposits.

The majority of them are found at the estuaries of streams. When a river goes into a larger body of water, it slows down, and drops material it was carrying.

First, dinosaur fossils are found almost exclusively in sedimentary rocks, in other words, rocks that form when sand, silt, mud, and organic material settle out of water or air to form layers that are then compacted into rock. So in looking for dinosaur fossils, one must find outcrops of sedimentary rocks.
Second, no dinosaurs are known to have lived in the ocean, where most sedimentary rocks form. Instead, one must look in sedimentary rocks that were deposited on the continents, primarily by rivers and streams or in lakes into which the streams emptied. Occasionally, dinosaur fossils are also found in sedimentary rocks representing ancient, desert sand dunes and their associated habitats.
How do we know where to look for dinosaur fossils? (article) | Khan Academy

LoG · Jan 24, 2020

Cool interactive map where they have found fossils throughout the world:

PBDB Navigator

joshua 1 9 · Jan 24, 2020

Cis.jd said:
It's like using History to correct Algebra.

The Bible is very mathematical and very precise. Every letter in the Bible has a number value. The Hebrew people call this Gematria. Even the Greeks letters have a numerical value. My son is getting a degree in computer engineering & he will have a minor in math because he has taken so many math classes. He had learned how to do a lot more advanced math then I can. He is in a five year program so that will put him at a master degree level. Although I have a niece that is getting a PhD in Chemistry so out of all the cousins she is the winner. At least that is what my brother tells me. The Hebrew letters are like the symbols in Chemistry. They are very exact and very precise and they have infinite meaning.

lismore · Jan 24, 2020

Daniel Marsh said:
How come humans have not evolved into a higher species?

Because nothing has evolved from one species into another. It does not happen.

In six days the Lord created the earth and every living thing, according to their kind, then he rested on the seventh day.

God Bless

Cis.jd · Jan 24, 2020

joshua 1 9 said:
The Bible is very mathematical and very precise. Every letter in the Bible has a number value. The Hebrew people call this Gematria. Even the Greeks letters have a numerical value. My son is getting a degree in computer engineering & he will have a minor in math because he has taken so many math classes. He had learned how to do a lot more advanced math then I can. He is in a five year program so that will put him at a master degree level. Although I have a niece that is getting a PhD in Chemistry so out of all the cousins she is the winner. At least that is what my brother tells me. The Hebrew letters are like the symbols in Chemistry. They are very exact and very precise and they have infinite meaning.

Sadly, the Quran also has these arguments but it doesn't make it true. Christians have this habit of making the Bible have all these science facts to buff up the "divine revelation" reputation but it's a bad misrepresentation of the Bible because there are scientific errors to even logical problems and giving the Bible this image of it being "so from God" because of certain scientific things it has puts the scripture on a spot that if/when it gets questioned based on certain information (or lack of information) about the universe, then people end up thinking it is false.

Like I asked, quote the verse in Genes 1:5 and talk to me about it.

SavedByGrace3 · Jan 24, 2020

Personally I think we, because of faux intelligence and spirituality, we have chosen to preserve many negative aspects of our physical being. Otherwise many of the "weaker elements" and faults would have been eliminate by natural selection and survival of the fittest centuries ago. But instead we preserve them in the gene pool. But who knows. Maybe the intentional preservation of these weaknesses and errors will actually benefit the species in the long run.

Bob Carabbio · Jan 24, 2020

Daniel Marsh said:
How come humans have not evolved into a higher species?

WE Have. In the past humans on average were not a tall as they are now. At 6'3" I'm 2 " higher than Dad (chuckle, snort).

The Barbarian · Jan 24, 2020

lismore said:
Because nothing has evolved from one species into another. It does not happen.

Even many creationist organizations admit that new species form from existing ones.

From the Institute for Creation Research:
There are more examples of how different kinds of reproductive isolation cause speciation from a common kind of animal. Speciation events are documented for nearly every kind of animal that has been described, and recently it has been estimated that 10 percent of all animal species still hybridize (mate with other species, producing fertile offspring) in the wild, and even more when brought into contact with each other in captivity. This evidence indicates that most species had a common ancestor from which similar species have descended.
Speciation and the Animals on the Ark

From Answers in Genesis:
As creationists, we must frequently remind detractors that we do not deny that species vary, change, and even appear over time.
...
Before the time of Charles Darwin, a false idea had crept into the church—the belief in the “fixity” or “immutability” of species. According to this view, each species was created in precisely the same form that we find it today. The Bible nowhere teaches that species are fixed and unchanging.
Speciation

lismore · Jan 24, 2020

The Barbarian said:
Even many creationist organizations admit that new species form from existing ones.

Your quotes do not say that.

The Barbarian · Jan 24, 2020

Even many creationist organizations admit that new species form from existing ones.

lismore said:
Your quotes do not say that.

Both of them do.
"There are more examples of how different kinds of reproductive isolation cause speciation from a common kind of animal. ... As creationists, we must frequently remind detractors that we do not deny that species vary, change, and even appear over time."

"This evidence indicates that most species had a common ancestor from which similar species have descended."

MrsFoundit · Jan 25, 2020

Cis.jd said:
if/when it gets questioned based on certain information (or lack of information) about the universe, then people end up thinking it is false.

Please explain the basis upon which you think people should believe the Bible to be true.

joshua 1 9 · Jan 25, 2020

Cis.jd said:
there are scientific errors

This is why we have to know the truth. Satan has his lies and counterfeit. He loves to counterfeit religion and science. As you readily admit. I did construction work. People expected the work I did to last. The crazy sort of house that you want to build would not stand the first storm to come along. Jesus teaches us to build on a solid foundation, not on sand.

joshua 1 9 · Jan 25, 2020

The Barbarian said:
Even many creationist organizations admit that new species form from existing ones.

"Scientists of all worldviews agree that the physical constants of our universe and the conditions of the early universe are exquisitely fine-tuned for life."

What do “fine-tuning” and the “multiverse” say about God? - Common-questions

Evolution is just another way the universe has to fine tune itself. We know that God is very exact and precise in what He does. Esp when we talk about His Justice.

The Barbarian · Jan 25, 2020

joshua 1 9 said:
Evolution is just another way the universe has to fine tune itself.

Yes. It was created precisely to work that way.

We know that God is very exact and precise in what He does. Esp when we talk about His Justice.

This is true. But God is often not fair as humans count fairness.

Matthew 20:8 “When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.’

9 “The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. 10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’

13 “But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? 14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’

16 “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”

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Cis.jd · Jan 25, 2020

MrsFoundit said:
Please explain the basis upon which you think people should believe the Bible to be true.

God made the Bible to be a book about revealing him to man, not to explain or give knowledge of the universe. This is what the Bible is as truth and this is the only thing it was made to talk about.

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